Which Weapon Should I Get I'm Too Stupid To Pick!

FBII doesn't self sc, you do FBII>SB. So, it's FBII with tp bonus vs last stand without.

We need some Crawler simulation to determine this debate.
FBII>SB with mainhand OSIII vs TS>FB with mainhand naegling, offhand Gleti's say. TP bonus equipped permanently for both (I keep a merit in it).

So important consideration is I'm pld and run main, so my pocket cor can SC with me. I'd have to check what options this opens up but if I can spam SB and my cor spams FB and we'll skillchain, that sounds dope

FBII is very useful for linking SC's while also being really good damage. It's not going to beat a fully buffed Naegling Savage Blade, but it has sufficient scaling that it'll work out fine.

These options can be min-maxed all you want, but in a world where the WS Wall exists and a COR knowingly takes Exeter (a terrible option by almost any metric) over OS3, I'm not sure what to say...

Fast Blade 2 is a good WS. It's not Naegling+SB, but literally nothing in the game is. More good Fusion options is a good thing.

My guesstimation for LS>SB would be 25k>50k>50k light = 125k damage, where FB2>FB2>light would be 30k>30k>30k light = 90k on the same mobs with the same buffs.

Damn, it's really good I sanity checked this before I...

Bit the bullet! ?

*** my emoji died and turned into a ?

And there is no telling what kind of gear limbus brings.

Most can say is that it'll be job specific.

They said AF and Relic +4, we can guess most the stats.

5 posts telling you its FBII > SB, not FBII > FBII, then you kinda seems to understand it in one post, only to go back to 2x FBII in the following. You're drunk, go home.

Also you are asking me to provide every single detail of simulation in another thread and then you came up with some ridiculous guessed damage numbers without any context at all here.

I am completely setting myself up for disappointment here but here it goes anyway: I hope the re-reforged AF and Relic bring some job unique enhancements and not just additional acc/macc/stat/wsd/mab/etc.

Sorry you are offended I called our your random "4300 DPS becomes 5000 because I am guesstimating so" so you want to hold me to a double standard and say only you're allowed to make up numbers.

The WS damages I suggested are what I know are right on C skele anyway (where I solo light skillchain), not sure where else it matters. I expect OSIII SB to be half the damage of Naegling due to obvious factors. Go back to your pierogi and vodka, you are too drunk.

FBII > SB and LS > SB has similar total damage (LS+SB would probably avg slightly more 23k+56k+75.6k=154.6k vs 35k+48.5k+65.5k=149k on apex with chaos/sam, honor/aria/minuets/madrigal, without GEO), but LS with Ataktos is done with big accuracy deficit and you risk missing it entirely or at least half of it, while FBII doesn't have that problem and it also has a potency to spike even above SB damage.

ahahahahaha how would +15% Savage Blade result in x2 higher SB damage? even assuming uncapped attack and +20% attack from NAegling, it would be around x1.25

I dunno if these are realistic combos anyways, at least in my experience.

Usually, if I recall correctly, the actual combos would be:

Scenario 1
I have trusts, so I use Ayame, in which case Ayame opens with IDontRememberwhat but then I pop off a ~1750 TP savage blade and close light everytime, and typically ayame would hit 1000 tp right around when I was clocking in at the 1700 to 2000 mark, just enough to fully juice that TP bonus and close for her.

In this scenario my cor isn't involved in fighting at all, tbh, either because I have it squirreled away in the corner, there wasnt room, or to avoid her dying to random AoE *** cuz she has like negative 5 hp. As I get more and more malignance gear on her and start getting back into odyssey this feels like a scenario that will apply less and less tho.

Scenario 2

Im multi boxing and have my Run or Pld main and pocket cor actually in the fight. Id typically use... Shantotto II I think for magic bursts.

Before I would do
for double light.

I *feel* like I was doing a combo on my Run that let me do Light or Darkness or something with Dimidiation, but Im looking at the chart and cant for the life of me remember what it was.

But IIRC, even with Excalibur savage blade still was more reliable damage than KotR, cuz my TP rate is so damn high.

New Combos

Fast Blade II provides the exceptionally important Fusion option on sword, which means my Cor can help me do

on my excalibur pld, for double light

on my Epeo Run, for double light

And *that* seems pretty big, because there's no other easy ways to do fusion on melee cor.

I think before I was doing Dimidiation > Last Stand > Dimidiation but that inherently means mixing ranged and melee together, and though it works, my gut says Fast Blade II will be tremendously more reliable as a double light enabler for my Run and Pld.

Or 35k+56k+75.6k=166.6k if you swap weapons using your number. Though the same swapping weapon to prime/aeonic gun would apply to marksmanship+SB combo.

Either way, the whole point of fusion melee WS is overcome accuracy
deficit when madrigal is needed or against pierce resist mob. So both fusion ranged WS and FBII has its use in light SC situationally.

And yeah as Simon mentioned, relying on Ataktos+Last Stand is a way to randomly whiff your combos here and there.

This goes double for scenarios where you are focusing on melee attack buffs and whatnot, IE I dunno if we have any good food options thatd give you both att, acc, and racc, you'd end up having to likely sacrifice one of those and now you're gimping your savage blade dmg just so your Last Stand misses less often.

I also remember often getting frustrated with last stand just whiffing, it just became better dps to go "*** it" and spam savage blade instead.

Simon: with the same setups, would you by chance be able to run the numbers on how just simply spamming the ***out of savage blade, skillchains be damned, compares? Cuz thats also something to consider, using a faster/better offhand weapon to just do even moar savage blades.

I wonder if just "SB > SB > SB > SB ...." might actually outperform "FBII > SB > Light" cuz then you can use Naegling and go *** nuts.

It depends on how many people is engaged on the mob. For solo engaged, generally setting up higher level SC is more efficient than spamming the same WS over and over, unless the SC ended with a very weak WS. Once you add more people engaged the efficiency of SC decreases.

If you have 3+ people engaged it's generally more efficient to spam your strongest WS.

There would be no WS frequency difference between spam SB and do FBII to SB for light. Both are done with the same tp set and at the same TP threshold. So just 2x SB with Naegling would be 56k + 56k = 112k

This is true, and in reality it sucks sometimes, but in theoeretical model sim math world you always assume capped accuracy with TP bonus weapons soooooooo yeah consistency plz :)

If you open with a 3K TF with Aeonic gun equipped does savage blade close Radiance? Fully accept if you tell me I'm dumb for asking this

Gotcha, so about a 37k loss.

Onion Sword seems like the clear winner then

No. In order to make Radiance or Umbra the closing skillchain has to be closing using a Level 3 property.

To make Radiance with Fomalhaut you would need:

AM3 = 3k Last Stand > 1k Last Stand -> Radiance
3k Last Stand > 1k Wildfire> 1k Wildfire -> Umbra
AM2 = 2k Last Stanrd > 1k Savage > Light > 1k Last Stand > Radiance
2k Last Stand > wait > 1k Leaden > 1k Viper Bite > Distortion > 1k Leaden > Darkness > Wildfire > Umbra

AM1 = 1k Last Stand > 1k Leaden > Gravitation > Savage Blade > Fragmentation > Last Stand > Light > Last Stand > Radiance

Umbra same as AM2, you only need a 4 step, and I'm unaware of other combos for COR to get Aeonic Aftermath and then make Distortion.

This doesn't work unless you already have any level of AM up

Big dog
What do you think the 3k stands for lol

Since he says 3k last stand I assumed he didn't mean he started with AM up

Hylin is right. LS that gives you AM doesn't take advantage of that AM, so has no light attribute. You would need to do 1k LS first, then 3k LS and 1k LS to make Radiance.

???
3k Last Stand with Fomal gives you AM3, thus he can create Radiance off of a simple 2-step.
Oh I guess I see what he means now. The 2 step would be after he gets AM, not as part of the SC

edit: yeah what he said