Which Weapon Should I Get I'm Too Stupid To Pick!

Ice brand: best sub nuking weapon for BLU. Best overall nuking weapon for BLU when reforged and most accurate nuking (I mean among weapons with high mab) even as NQ. Good WS offhand when you can't use Thribon (rare). Probably the same for RDM.

Onion Sword: only slashing option for many jobs

Air Knife: I think it's the best offhand when you can't use Centovente and you can melee for TP. It should be especially potent with Prime, because Ruthless has very low WSC 20% DEX/AGI and Dagger has low base damage, so 10%AGI is significant gain (obviously Centovente is way ahead still) for WS, while also being amazing weapon for TP phase (assuming wind damage is not a problem). Highest evasion too.

both GKTs: meh

h2h: Not bad if you dont have Prime. otherwise nope.

axe: meh

gaxe: meh

bow: meh

cheer: very good for main brd, even if you have everything. Great tool to overwrite songs and give ballads for example or in general for SV

scythe: meh

Staff: Reraise V for mules

Chocobo Knife: meh

shield: very good for BST, especially to pair with mythic. Great for WAR zergs I guess with Warcry. Not sure if worth it just for that though. Great for PLD JA swap.

Flametongue: Possibly bis for RDM and BLU WSs, if you cant use Thribon (I havent done any math though, so don't quote me on that :P)

spear: meh

Premium Heart: meh

Save the Queen: Meh

katana: well, wet dreams for Ninja mains. Especially for NIN soloers and especially when you consider planned upgrades to alter egos. Also amazing for offtanking or main tanking, but please don't ask me to find specific scenario, because I won't even try. It can be really used everywhere for that, but is probably never required, but also none ever tried to solve hard fights with that weapon in mind, because it wasn't an option for everyone, so now it might change. Limbus might also bring new use cases for it.

Brave Blade: meh

Wizard's Rod: Worse than Bunzi, but if reforged, it might maybe compete with it.

Gun: meh

Thinking about it too. At last a slashing weapon for MNK.

Got it, thanks for trying.

The BRD Horn is interesting. Looking at it, it seems like it won't be that helpful for career bards. Maybe BiS for Victory March on anything that can't slow you?

It seems like a 4 REMA bard will be better sticking with its normal rotation. But it REALLY lets beginner bards (or alts) skip a lot of early steps for a while. That horn + Daurdabla gives you nearly full powered bard, which will be awesome for new players trying to get into segment farming level content, where they won't need to farm 350mil worth of stuff before they are looked at.

I'm not a bard expert though, so maybe I'm missing something with this, i don't know /shrug

3 extra minutes of SV songs (minus Aria/HMarch obviously, but its still 3 minutes for the other 3-4 songs). Granted there aren't a TON of 17-20 minute long events, but it's a thing.

Also: replacing Nitro songs with new songs (that also last a while). Super helpful for tanks/healers who want 5 different songs than the ones the melee got.

That's...pretty much it, for a veteran BRD. That said...it's the only instrument in the game that can do those things so...it's definitely got a niche.

Keep in mind that even sub WAR your sword skill is going to be buttcheeks for this kind of setup. That being said, Dragon Fangs aren't a super great choice either (all signs point to it not being updated to a fTP WS when the H2H pass happened and not much testing has been done with it beyond that).

It is possible that you treat Dragon Blow like Final Heaven / Maru Kala and just go the WSD / Nayame route but I don't see any data on that.

Speaking of which, what is the modus operandi on (actually useful) WS testing these days?

Fast Blade II is good, but not the best. It can spike really high with multi attacks, but on avg it wont beat native options or naegling. It's mostly a slashing option for DNC and also for other jobs, but it's not like MNK will be able to suddenly do high slashing damage, but you can maybe do 50% of what you can do with h2h (assuming enough buffs to cap accuracy).

The million fights about carns extra 30 seconds....

Miracle cheer obliterates it.

No + attack but huge + duration. Such a hard choice.

Still, maybe workable for segments farming? So maybe I will not be stuck as an eternal healer.

My thoughts (and feel free to help me out here):
The Great Axe seems a bit novel to keep Berserk up full time w/o penalty but isn't fundamentally changing anything.

The horn seems nice for BRD main w/o any REMA(I guess Terpander would be useful for skilling up string? so its not even inv-1) other than needing cast less, it seems the most novel use would be for doing content that doesn't wipe buffs (particularly if going on a job with a useless 2hr) is you can change to brd buff the party and switch to a different job before the run. (gaol atonement fights, heck even seg runs)

I've heard the enspell dmg from Flametongue (and presumably icebrand) is significant, can they be buffed through job traits or abilities? I assume these work offhand? Seems like they could be fun toys for a couple jobs.

The katana has some novel utility as well, but how many fights does this completely alter the strategy or make much easier?

Dragon blow is basically NQ Mara and Dragon fangs in general are like nq Prime.

I mean, maybe, but only with right buffs (you might need madrigal) and ideally with Kraken club offhand and /dnc. Single wielding with /war will most likely be crap.

Thanks, SimonSes. I figured it wouldn't beat Naegling but I'm more interested in the ability to use it on Dancer. I'd consider a dagger or hand-to-hand if any were on the same level as Twashtar or Vere (because I hate the Empyrean process) but it sounds like the consensus is none of these are on that level.

Was thinking about /DNC and club offhand. To be honest, I'm not sure what to pick for my jobs, and this was the only one looking useful. Doubt if Dragon Fangs would beat R15 Vere.

Nah Air Knife is specifically offhand weapon, not main for sure. Dragon fangs were nice gimmick h2h with WSD based WS with Distortion, but now Prime is just a batter option for that.

I didn't really think about trusts but for cases that they get wiped with certain abilities probably does open up new "solo" opportunities. Of course some mobs use abilities that go through shadows or spam -gas so much that its pointless anyways.

Wut?

Carn doesn't give 30 seconds
Miracle Cheer affects potency (negatively) but Carn doesn't
Carn also works on debuffs, Miracle Cheer doesn't
You can swing at and hit things with Carn
Carn is also BiS for Macc
Carn works on Aria and Hmarch, Miracle Cheer doesn't

These items couldn't possibly be less comparable.

For those of you who are still following along at home, if you want to play BRD the best you possibly can:

You need Gjallarhorn for debuff potency
You need Daurdabla for Horde Lullaby 2 radius
You need Carnwenhan for meleeing, debuffs, buffing, and macc
You need Marsyas for Honor March
You need Loughnashade for Aria of Passion

...and you should probably pick up Twashtar for situations where you need to/want to use Rudra's, Mpu Gandring for other DPS situations, and a Miracle Cheer for the ***I listed above.

*** Aeneas though, that ***'s trash.

One is a knife, the other is a horn... idk why we are comparing them. lol. Of course Carn is still very relevant!

If your bard is contributing DPS, 15 minutes of only needing to recast one song (Honor) instead of 4. Sure, it takes a few seconds per song, but with people minmaxing every last drop of DPS possible, you'd think the 15 seconds saved would be massive, likely a net gain to the group even with the slightly lower potency 15 min songs.

Do fresh accounts get these? i.e: Free trial or new paid account?

It's for sure game changing for solo with alter egos against mobs with strong physical AoEs. Really there can be many use cases for this weapon, but none tried to come up with them, because they were irrelevant for 99,99% of population.

Simon, that Cure Potency II 20% not amazing? I can see that being amazing for PLD.

Asking the real questions! Discount campaign starting new accounts today... will they get one!?

I finally got my Wizard Rod...

Here are some apex bat number testing with aero 1...

Prime staff stage 4, AM3, 26644 damage Magic Burst

Wizard rod + Bunzi Rod dual wielded...
immediately when SC goes off: 33600 damage
with 4-5 seconds left on SC: 38231 damage
with 1-2 seconds left on SC: 34803 damage


Looks like it increases damage in the middle of the SC more than the beginning and end. Super happy with this weapon, as I do BLM/DNC often.

I'll be curious how the dps math works out. Looks like Minuet V + IV is about +424 attack with Ghorn (max potency) and they are +400 attack with miracle cheer. So...+24 attack difference vs 3ish minutes of duration (with Carn). Not that huge of a loss for 98% of the games' content.

I think for the top end content. "Miracle Cheer X" will probably be the norm, but for anybody looking to break into endgame, bard's barrier for entry just got lowered A LOT

Not really. If PLD cures, he cures with Majesty on and Majesty is 25% cure potency II and cap for Cure potency II is 30%, so you will only get 5% out of it.

I'm glad I'm an idiot that asks idiotic questions. Idiocy -1 per questions asked.

If anyone pick Flametongue for BLU, send me a footage ! x)

Thats why I said if a bard is contributing to DPS (which they should whenever possible), theres likely a net gain to group DPS if the bard is spending less time casting songs.

What other item will a bard main pick from the list thats leaps and bounds better than having miracle cheer in their back pocket for the niche situation?

I want a flame tongue for RDM. I think It would pair well with Excalibur.

But I feel like I'd be dumb to pass up the shield. if given the choice. While I do want high potency enfire that over writes other added effects on my offhand. At least RDM has the luxury of using a Gleti's dagger off hand.

Which is pretty damn solid already.