Which Weapon Should I Get I'm Too Stupid To Pick!

Naegling is still better than Flametongue and tp bonus is still better for the offhand. Ice Brand is really good for BLU nuking I saw a 2.3k increase to Tenebral Crush with Ice Brand over Maxentius.

oh yeah I was thinking about Ice brand lol

picking a weapon for the sole reason of "I can use it on Kalunga" seems very short sighted.

Was thinking about the nuking mostly, but also as a somewhere else it could be used.

Assuming capped attack and accuracy in high buff scenario, Thibron is 20% dps ahead of Flametongue*, which I guess is closer than I expected. Also if you for some reason wont WS just above 1000TP with Thribon, then DPS with it goes down really fast.

*based on Kastra sim

Speaking of short sighted

Wizard Rod's look like it could be best for bumba kaustra

Who really WS the second they hit 1000TP every time though? This is exactly the problem with the paper math vs complexity of reality.

I already thought that, but I'm gonna stick with thinking "well it can be done without it anyway" to not use this as a reason.

Does the shield help in any way for making a longer sc on Bumba to maximise MB damage for any jobs?

Warrior fencer build and every single person with TP offhand?

I'm trying to think of options. Like, you'll like do a 3K TP to get Aftermath, so that leans a bit more to one of the swords. Depending on multiattack, you end up at 1200-1500 TP sometimes, but most of the time it's pretty damn close to 1000, 1100.

It's not literally 1k tp, it's ws as fast as possible, instead of hold for another anchor point

1k means somewhere between 1000 and 1750 where ever you catch it, but without waiting for 1750 on purpose.

According to Eiryl
means up to 3/4ths of the way to 2000 TP

Tarage, come get your rock.

Yeah, going at 1k is implied that you aren't holding TP for the next 1k threshold.

And Naegling beats every sword. Idk why people insist in being "special" about their playstyle. I can see the argument of picking Flamethong because they already have Naegling, so *** it, they wanna have fun. Putting Flamethong against Naegling is just coping...

Theyre indeed only fooling themselves (for now)

However, any random moment of any random day they can decide next update to nerf naegling. (3/2019 it's been 6 years, thats still too new to worry about but 2028 better start worrying!)

Agreed. But then I think likely the prime sword will take over. Bonanza, in my opinion, are not there for the damage. They are there for the lolz.

To makes thing clear, when I say just above 1000TP, it means exactly what Eiryl said, which is WSing as soon as you have TP to WS. Simulation is not a spreadsheet, it actually simulate each attack round and goes past 1000 and even way past 1500 whenever it hits high multiattack at 900+ TP.


I'm not sure where you see the problem here. There is many scenarios when you spam WS as soon as you can, but there are still scenarios where you don't (doing skillchain or avoiding skillchain, being stunned in the wrong time, amnesia, etc.) Ofc there are also setups where DPS doesn't change if you hold TP to lets say 2000, because increase in WS damage produces same DPS as higher WS frequency. There are even scenarios where holding TP increases DPS. I think sweet spot for Tizona/Flame is for example WSing at 1500+, but it's not much better than WSing at 1000+ or 2000+.

Bruh
You said "just above 1000TP". Dont change the definition of "just above" to mean "3/4ths of the way to 2000TP" to protect the local RMT because I've made it a habit of dunking on stupid people like him.

This obviously matters for a WS like Savage where the TP gains between 1k and 2k are significantly higher than the TP gains between 2k and 3k, and you have more to gain by doing a handful more SB's in the 1000-1250 range rather than 1500-1750 range.

Mostly thinking Ody C, swapping mobs, ending mobs with TP >1000%, etc. etc. Real world is messier than paper maths. I would really love if someone could make an addon that tracks TP% WS used at and I will do a bunch of Ody C to build data and see average TP % used and the bell curve. Real world vs paper would be interesting to see.

People overkill mobs at 10% to win the parse.

Not entirely related to what you said, but these are things that need to be considered.

*watches Flametongue do the same or more WS damage than Naegling*

*watches Flametongue also do more auto attack damage, even before enfire*

Uhh yeah, Naegling is better damage bros. Less damage is more damage, some how.

(real talk is just that Naegling is obviously on 9 more jobs, and you can ignore Flametongue for that reason, but you legitimately can't say that Naegling does more damage, because it doesn't.)

*Wakes up.

It's not that naegling is stronger than flametongue, it isn't

Lower base damage, lower STR, and 15% WSD is a wash against 10% STR and 5% PDL

Where it loses, is 30% attack bonus from pro shell firestorm 5 songs 4 rolls embrava regen haste phalanx berserk food RR warcry

Situations gonna situate

Was the % per buff confirmed somewhere?

Naegling's atk bonus still doesn't win on WS there either, pal. It doesn't extend atk beyond capped attack, so it doesn't matter. You silly billy.

Aria would like a word with you.

I believe Vyre posted a few months ago about finally finishing their first Aeonic, I highly doubt he's getting Aria.

I can only laugh at people saying stuff like this. Flamethong doesn't even get close to Naegling.

The only slashing damage capable of outparsing Naegling duhuh Savage Blade is REMA with skillchains (in situations where you can SC). I'm making Laphria just so I can have a slashing damage that's equivalent to Naegling. They still come close if you aren't SCing with Laphria.

Flamethong is a toy, as it was meant to be.

1% per buff


And wherever there's no/nerfed frailty / no geo at all(segments)

And that this is all war only. Doesn't apply to any other naegling job as they can't wear flametongue (or wouldn't want to, zona, crocea)

So more like 15%/15 buffs? Not sure who has 30 buffs for anything.

No, everyone is going to have exactly 30 buffs. At all times.

Not 31, not 29