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Are large language models really AI?
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 RadialArcana
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By RadialArcana 2025-05-01 06:35:43
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Researchers secretly infiltrated a popular Reddit forum with AI bots, causing outrage

Only a matter of time until someone makes AI trolls for FFXIAH

The sub was "change my mind" or something, so it was aimed at people who wanted to have their minds changed.

Also reddit is full of cucks, afraid of rate downs so ofc they were easy to manipulate.
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 Pantafernando
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By Pantafernando 2025-05-01 08:12:43
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Hey, i also post on Reddit!
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By K123 2025-05-01 09:24:24
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RadialArcana said: »
K123 said: »
Researchers secretly infiltrated a popular Reddit forum with AI bots, causing outrage

Only a matter of time until someone makes AI trolls for FFXIAH

The sub was "change my mind" or something, so it was aimed at people who wanted to have their minds changed.

Also reddit is full of cucks, afraid of rate downs so ofc they were easy to manipulate.
Don't pretend you don't take ffxiah seriously
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By Godfry 2025-05-01 09:51:02
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Only a matter of time until someone makes AI trolls for FFXIAH

I just can't catch a *** break eyh?
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By RadialArcana 2025-05-01 10:32:06
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Using AI in a community is an act of vandalism, you can make people want to stop interacting. That's why reddit threatened to sue the university that did it, it can do a lot of damage to their business.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-05-01 13:02:43
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Even today I dont recall any exploitation made in moon. I dont recall some country have massive profit by having reach the moon early.
Actually the USA made great technological progress due to our moon race. We were head and shoulders above any other nation technologically until we sold the rights to Japan so they could build TVs for us.

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Like nowadays: what the humanity will do with a machine that is about as human as them? Probably nothing.
Humanity has no idea what to do with humans right now.

But sci-fi has produced many stories about what AI might do with humans in the future.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-05-01 13:05:19
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Using AI in a community is an act of vandalism, you can make people want to stop interacting.
When I was a kid they said that about television. And comic books. And rock & roll.
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-05-01 13:14:47
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Using AI in a community is an act of vandalism, you can make people want to stop interacting.
When I was a kid they said that about television. And comic books. And rock & roll.

No....

In this community we are expecting that we are interacting with real people having real discussions. Someone using an AI chatbot to create posts breaks that expectation. I'm talking to Chanti, not an AI pretending to be Chanti.

This isn't an issue here on FFXI but its's a serious issue on all the big social media platforms. People have started walling off and gating communities because of posters using chatbots to post for them.
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By Godfry 2025-05-01 13:19:42
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Using AI in a community is an act of vandalism, you can make people want to stop interacting.
When I was a kid they said that about television. And comic books. And rock & roll.

No....

In this community we are expecting that we are interacting with real people having real discussions. Someone using an AI chatbot to create posts breaks that expectation. I'm talking to Chanti, not an AI pretending to be Chanti.

This isn't an issue here on FFXI but its's a serious issue on all the big social media platforms. People have started walling off and gating communities because of posters using chatbots to post for them.

A bot not being able to feel offended by my posts defeats the purpose. Hopefully, someday tho, they will create bots with feelings.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-01 13:57:23
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Asura.Saevel said: »
In this community we are expecting that we are interacting with real people having real discussions. Someone using an AI chatbot to create posts breaks that expectation. I'm talking to Chanti, not an AI pretending to be Chanti.

https://www.ffxiah.com/user/CrAZYVIC/#forum

At least it's obvious in this case. It's definitely weird seeing the posts, though. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be communicating to a real person; if we wanted to talk with ChantiGPT we could set up a few ChatGPT directives to get that result.

Dead internet theory reaches a whole new level if this stuff turns out to be more commonplace than it appears.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-05-01 14:51:31
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No....

In this community we are expecting that we are interacting with real people having real discussions.
I do understand the difference. But I am a wiseass.

And while I do empathize with the expectations of interacting with real people I do not comprehend why you think you are having real discussions.

Godfry said: »
A bot not being able to feel offended by my posts defeats the purpose. Hopefully, someday tho, they will create bots with feelings.
Read Martha Wells's The Murderbot Diaries.

Shiva.Thorny said: »
Dead internet theory reaches a whole new level if this stuff turns out to be more commonplace than it appears.
1, It probably is.

2, Chatbots are probably better at communication than half the people on facebork and 3/4 of those on the platform formerly known as twitter.
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By Godfry 2025-05-01 15:14:23
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Read Martha Wells's The Murderbot Diaries.

I was looking for a good read. Thanks for the suggestion!

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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2025-05-01 17:23:25
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had been purposely avoiding this thread as I really have zero to offer or contribute. But I can't not at least say it does shock me as someone who tries to look at intelligence from an Ancient Greek foundation to see what the generally accepted view of 'intelligence' has become.

Not looking to convert anyone or change people's beliefs. If anything, thanks for posting yours so I can try to come to grips with them.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-05-01 17:48:44
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Hey, i also post on Reddit!

I don't post on Reddit very much, because most of the times I get linked to something to read, when I try to reply I get an automated response message saying that my post couldn't be posted because I don't have enough karma to prove that I'm not a bot.

As if the karma system could actually prevent bots from accruing karma or some ***.

Absolute clown show. Means I'd have to actually use reddit daily or some ***, and then gain enough updoots(or whatever) just to be able to post on anything I actually care about. Intrinsically an echo chamber based posting system. Count me out.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2025-05-02 01:05:31
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IDK what exactly LLM are, but Gemini is getting pretty good
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By Afania 2025-05-02 05:53:42
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RadialArcana said: »
K123 said: »
Researchers secretly infiltrated a popular Reddit forum with AI bots, causing outrage

Only a matter of time until someone makes AI trolls for FFXIAH

The sub was "change my mind" or something, so it was aimed at people who wanted to have their minds changed.

The research shows that AI generated content wins more upvotes than human poster.

This is very relevant discovery for information war industry or marketing industry.

Pantafernando said: »
As it is, AI value today feels something like the race to the moon between URSS and USA.

Considering information war is a very big part of winning modern political game. If AI can produce more convincing posts than human, that means future political conflict will involve different factions spending more resources on AI to improve post quality.

Also the target audience of information war isn't people who is dead set on a pov nor political extremists, but people in the middle. Convincing people in the middle is often key to win an election.

I can see that future of political information war industry will heavily utilize AI to improve post quality and post spread speed.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-05-02 09:32:22
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Afania said: »
The research shows that AI generated content wins more upvotes than human poster.
I seem to have anticipated this part of your post.

Garuda.Chanti said: »
Chatbots are probably better at communication than half the people on facebork and 3/4 of those on the platform formerly known as twitter.
I feel the rest of it has been anticipated by sci-fi. Probably in a D. K. *** story. Much of his work deals with the theme of WTF is reality anyway.

Insightful. Thanks.
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By K123 2025-05-02 12:37:53
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Don't worry, we'll all have loads of AI friends soon
Meta plans
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By Godfry 2025-05-02 14:54:20
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Don't worry, we'll all have loads of AI friends soon
Meta plans

Imagine someone like Mark Zuc trying to solve things like loneliness etc?

Mark, the reason why people have less friends nowadays is because of your product, Mark!
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By RadialArcana 2025-05-02 15:05:49
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Nobody would use AI to make friends with it or date it, this would only happen if you think it's actually AI or a real person. You gotta have the illusion it's real to take it seriously.

It could be 100 times better than it is now and it can give perfect responses, but unless you believe there is actually a consciousness there it's just a tool. You won't take it seriously, cause you know it doesn't give a crap about you in any way and never will. It's just doing what the code tells it to say, if the code told it to tell you to k your s it would say that instead.
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By Pantafernando 2025-05-02 15:24:33
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Nobody would use AI to make friends with it

That i a bold statente when there are cases where people already get too involved with AI even with chatbot being crappy before than now.

Well, that is what literature says.

Anyway, I had an insight of creating a portable AI device to help people with vision disability. An AI device that can scan environment and give coordinates to that person so he/she can know where he/she is, the dangers around, some useful information like stairs or signals.

Devices that actually care about people with some sort of disabilities while 99% of "real" people simply give a *** for those one.

You bet that device will be a real person for those people that often are ignored.

The world will thank the savior Panta, using my intelligence to bring a little more love to this wocked reality.
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By Dodik 2025-05-02 15:27:00
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Nobody would use AI to make friends with it or date it, this would only happen if you think it's actually AI or a real person. You gotta have the illusion it's real to take it seriously.

Ummm.....

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