So I'm spending time playing RDM for the purposes of having flexibility in Sortie. And I've got questions about Black Halo, stat modifiers, and a good gear set.
BH has the modifiers MND 70%/STR 30%. I'm sure my understanding of this is oversimplified, but to me, this means that MND has a greater impact on BH than STR (please correct me if I'm wrong). Simulators and wiki pages reflect more STR being poured into the WS set, but a colleague says to stack MND for greater damage.
Can someone help me understand?
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Black Halo Questions
I just gear it the same as Savage Blade.
Check out the all jobs damage calculator. A MND build still comes out behind. Save your cape items. STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better.
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Agreed with Creaucent, especially since most sortie groups have Aria now.
FStr is part of the calculation too, which is additive in the same term as wsc, so it’s kind of like 70/55 mnd/str
Also, for aminon specifically I use crepuscular pebble Yeah, what's meant by fSTR is you have to raise your STR higher than a monster's VIT stat by a good margin, otherwise you lose weapon rank/do far less damage.
This goes for all physical WSes, even Marksmanship/ones without STR mods at all. It's just that for ones without STR mods at all, you want to be very precise with meeting the fSTR cap. But for anything with a STR mod, you can just go all in, basically. Thanks everyone for the feedback. It's much appreciated!
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: » FStr is part of the calculation too, which is additive in the same term as wsc, so it’s kind of like 70/55 mnd/str Also, for aminon specifically I use crepuscular pebble Crep Pebble works better for you than a Rank 30 Coiste Bodhar? I assume because of the PDL? Bahamut.Creaucent said: » STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better. ItemSet 375692 I like this. Swapped the Sherida for Leth. Earring +2 (more STR and double attack, but no STP), and the Epamin. RIng for the Ephramad's (STR and PDL +10, and Acc./Attk. +20). As I see different acc/neck/waist, can you share your rough avg/total for aminon. I still use some Chirich for SB as an example, anyway I’m interested
Phoenix.Gavroches said: » As I see different acc/neck/waist, can you share your rough avg/total for aminon. I still use some Chirich for SB as an example, anyway I’m interested Assuming this question is for someone else. I have not taken my RDM into Aminon, yet; but I plan to in the near future. Phoenix.Gavroches said: » As I see different acc/neck/waist, can you share your rough avg/total for aminon. I still use some Chirich for SB as an example, anyway I’m interested Chirich rings+1 offer no damage other than the acc but if you are landing BH/SB consistently the acc is absolutely useless. Even then if you have Cornelia's ring or Ephramad's Ring you gain more acc from those.. if you dont... go do your missions! Oh I can land alright, I use Chirich for subtle blow purpose. I use a MND cape and different acc/waist/neck as previously posted, WS avg of 65/85 with 99 proc occasionally for 1M HQ/1.2NQ avg, 10/8 min fight. I’m just asking for knowledge to see if someone nailed something better and willing to share.
Galkapryme said: » Bahamut.Creaucent said: » STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better. ItemSet 375692 I like this. Swapped the Sherida for Leth. Earring +2 (more STR and double attack, but no STP), and the Epamin. RIng for the Ephramad's (STR and PDL +10, and Acc./Attk. +20). Assuming the rest of the set is the same, which combination of rings is better? Sroda/Ephramad's or Ephramad's/Epaminondas's? Phoenix.Michelob said: » Galkapryme said: » Bahamut.Creaucent said: » STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better. ItemSet 375692 I like this. Swapped the Sherida for Leth. Earring +2 (more STR and double attack, but no STP), and the Epamin. RIng for the Ephramad's (STR and PDL +10, and Acc./Attk. +20). Assuming the rest of the set is the same, which combination of rings is better? Sroda/Ephramad's or Ephramad's/Epaminondas's? Sroda has +15 STR and no -STP, so ends up better by a decent bit with the PDL Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: » Phoenix.Michelob said: » Galkapryme said: » Bahamut.Creaucent said: » STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better. ItemSet 375692 I like this. Swapped the Sherida for Leth. Earring +2 (more STR and double attack, but no STP), and the Epamin. RIng for the Ephramad's (STR and PDL +10, and Acc./Attk. +20). Assuming the rest of the set is the same, which combination of rings is better? Sroda/Ephramad's or Ephramad's/Epaminondas's? Sroda has +15 STR and no -STP, so ends up better by a decent bit with the PDL
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Theoretically would the 2% chance to get your TP back on neck and waist not be better damage overall on Aminon than a bit of STR and attack anyway?
Valefor.Philemon said: » Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: » Phoenix.Michelob said: » Galkapryme said: » Bahamut.Creaucent said: » STR build since it increases attack and fstr which MND doesn't. While MND plays a part of the damage with the modifier, STR will be better. ItemSet 375692 I like this. Swapped the Sherida for Leth. Earring +2 (more STR and double attack, but no STP), and the Epamin. RIng for the Ephramad's (STR and PDL +10, and Acc./Attk. +20). Assuming the rest of the set is the same, which combination of rings is better? Sroda/Ephramad's or Ephramad's/Epaminondas's? Sroda has +15 STR and no -STP, so ends up better by a decent bit with the PDL I long ago convinced my groups to do 2 madrigals on aminon and H and F and we've never had acc issues since. We don't even do precision most times. Only becomes an issue if we mess up and lose soul voice songs. RDM with composure has one of the highest acc out there even with sub par skill for club. K123 said: » Theoretically would the 2% chance to get your TP back on neck and waist not be better damage overall on Aminon than a bit of STR and attack anyway? Our RDMs do 7-9 WSs per Aminon. I'd lean towards the damage. So every 5 Aminon they'd get an extra WS! Which would likely do more damage over the STR and attack otherwise? I mean of course this is all irrelevant in the bigger picture whether you use Null Loop and Null Belt for +80 acc to be safe or have a bit of DA/STR/Attack, it's going to die either way or someone else will make up the damage anyway.
Probably doesn't matter, but as you really push for speed clears the TP feed can get very edgy. Being able to WS back to back isn't always ideal especially under 25%.
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I am asking not only in the context of Aminon but for V25 fights as well. Also considering for Savage Blade set as well since the concensus is to use the same set for both WS.
The BG wiki sets don't consider TVR rings which is why I'm asking. On acc, reminder that cornelia's ring is WSACC+20, not 10 - English translation error.
A single null piece, belt or neck, should be enough of a swap if still need more acc. Cut off for "add more acc" is 90% wsacc for me, less than that adding more accuracy will out perform the less accurate but higher dmg set. If you need acc sure, can use null stuff
My personal experience has been that it’s not needed if you have 2 madrigals and honor march with stewpot. I miss a ws like every 4th aminon Buffs for our group are usually: Tact + misers Hm, 2 made, minuet, aria Geo frailty, indi fury, entrust str and mnd, Dia 3, frazzle 3 If you need acc sure, can use null stuff
My personal experience has been that it’s not needed if you have 2 madrigals and honor march with stewpot. I miss a ws like every 4th aminon Buffs for our group are usually: Tact + misers Hm, 2 made, minuet, aria Geo frailty, indi fury, entrust str and mnd, Dia 3, frazzle 3
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I think it's probably better to swap a piece or two of gear than to swap a Minuet. Dropping 452 attack (base - 731 with basic Indi-Fury, 1,462 with Bolster Indi-Fury) to save yourself an accuracy swap or two in gear seems like a bad trade-off, personally. I'd be surprised if anyone in the group other than the DNC (if even the DNC) will be attack capped, especially with Aria on, with only a single Minuet+HMarch.
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It's fine if you think that. We found that only using one madrigal made it so everyone had acc issues except the dnc, so we went another route. We also found that we saw little to no difference in terms of damage between 1 minuet and 2.
Everyone plays different though, and I'm not trying to dictate what buffs must be used for the fight.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I think it's probably better to swap a piece or two of gear than to swap a Minuet. Dropping 452 attack (base - 731 with basic Indi-Fury, 1,462 with Bolster Indi-Fury) to save yourself an accuracy swap or two in gear seems like a bad trade-off, personally. I'd be surprised if anyone in the group other than the DNC (if even the DNC) will be attack capped, especially with Aria on, with only a single Minuet+HMarch. Can two pieces of equip make up for SV Madrigal though? Take bard for example, suppose you swap neck and belt out for Null and keep Minuet. Do we have a net positive in status? Godfry said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I think it's probably better to swap a piece or two of gear than to swap a Minuet. Dropping 452 attack (base - 731 with basic Indi-Fury, 1,462 with Bolster Indi-Fury) to save yourself an accuracy swap or two in gear seems like a bad trade-off, personally. I'd be surprised if anyone in the group other than the DNC (if even the DNC) will be attack capped, especially with Aria on, with only a single Minuet+HMarch. Can two pieces of equip make up for SV Madrigal though? Take bard for example, suppose you swap neck and belt out for Null and keep Minuet. Do we have a net positive in status? On one hand, SV Sword Madrigal is (up to) 180 Accuracy. On the other hand, there's absolutely no chance that people are 180 accuracy short of being accuracy capped on Aminon. You'd be at like 50% or less accuracy if you were this far behind. I would say yes, 1-2 pieces of increased accuracy would cap your accuracy if it was already reasonably close before that. Depends on job, depends on slot, depends on gear. |
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