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Using /check in-game (A morality topic)
By Seun 2025-06-02 02:20:37
The second is a more broad statement on /checking in general that I hope you can understand. It has existed in the game from the beginning. The developers wanted it to be in the game, and despite the perceived rudeness of it, have not removed it, modified it, or banned anyone from using it. I know Japan has the idiom "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down", but at this point, the nail has been sticking up for 23 years. Western developers didn't add this feature, Japanese developers did. Japanese developers maintain it. Japanese developers think it's usage is acceptable. Your own people are telling you to get over it. You may not like it, you may think it's rude, but YOU need to deal with it, because it isn't going to stop. Don't like it? Play something else..
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but from May 2002 to October 2003, Japanese players were the only players that existed in the game? I feel like having a game for a year and a half is long enough for the community to come to consensus on /check being cringe.
Maybe our Japanese players can clarify this for us, but Japanese don't seem like the type to complain about something unless it breaks the game. "Why don't my RDM enfeebles work?" or "Why are these JES earring drops so skewed?". I wouldn't expect them to say something like "This message makes me uncomfortable".
I'm going out on a limb with the generalization, but I feel like their way of dealing with it was avoiding it's use and asking their peers in other regions for cooperation.
By wingath 2025-06-02 02:28:54
That wasn’t my intended meaning in Japanese, so it’s possible the translation came out wrong.
I didn’t say that using /check was wrong.
That’s why saying I should either try to get Square Enix to change it or just quit the game if I don’t like it isn’t a fair solution to me. If the conversation is just us agreeing that Johnb is a lying jerk, I don't know what else there is to discuss. That sentiment is shared by everyone posting in this thread. There is no disagreement.
Thanks, got it.
Turns out there wasn’t actually anyone weird enough to /check me and then just warp out.
I ended up going off-topic too, so I’ll head back to FFXI now.
Finally, thanks a lot to everyone who shared their thoughts.
It was really meaningful to have this kind of exchange with people outside of Japan for the first time in a while.
And thanks to ChatGPT for helping bridge the gap. (Not an ad for OpenAI, I swear!)
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By wingath 2025-06-02 02:51:05
The second is a more broad statement on /checking in general that I hope you can understand. It has existed in the game from the beginning. The developers wanted it to be in the game, and despite the perceived rudeness of it, have not removed it, modified it, or banned anyone from using it. I know Japan has the idiom "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down", but at this point, the nail has been sticking up for 23 years. Western developers didn't add this feature, Japanese developers did. Japanese developers maintain it. Japanese developers think it's usage is acceptable. Your own people are telling you to get over it. You may not like it, you may think it's rude, but YOU need to deal with it, because it isn't going to stop. Don't like it? Play something else..
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but from May 2002 to October 2003, Japanese players were the only players that existed in the game? I feel like having a game for a year and a half is long enough for the community to come to consensus on /check being cringe.
Maybe our Japanese players can clarify this for us, but Japanese don't seem like the type to complain about something unless it breaks the game. "Why don't my RDM enfeebles work?" or "Why are these JES earring drops so skewed?". I wouldn't expect them to say something like "This message makes me uncomfortable".
I'm going out on a limb with the generalization, but I feel like their way of dealing with it was avoiding it's use and asking their peers in other regions for cooperation. I know I said that was my last post, but someone asked a question before I could write my final message, so I’ll just add this one more thing.
Since the question was directed toward Japanese players, I’d like to share one perspective as a Japanese player.
Before FFXI, there weren’t really any major Japan-made online RPGs, and you couldn’t play them without a PC. The internet was still mostly dial-up at the time, right?
Games like Ultima Online and EverQuest came first, I think.
But FFXI was a domestically developed game that could be played on the PS2, which lowered the entry barrier and made it much easier for casual players in Japan to get into MMOs all at once.
So when things had low drop rates, players just assumed it was to keep the game going longer. And when resist rates were high, they figured it was because you were meant to cooperate.
In other words, they just accepted it as “this is how MMOs work.”
But when it came to communication, there wasn’t really a precedent in Japan.
Casual players didn’t know how to act, so I think they just brought over the same greetings and manners from their real-life interactions.
As time went on, some players came to understand roleplay better, and a few became really fun, interesting people to play with.
So maybe FFXI ended up forming a bit of a unique culture because of that?
That’s just my personal opinion, but I hope it offers some helpful context.
 Bahamut.Balduran
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 284
By Bahamut.Balduran 2025-06-02 03:38:00
After being warned several times about using /check without saying anything,
you promised not to do it again.
But you broke that promise right away and did it again.
When I asked why you couldn't keep your word, your answer was, “Because the system allows it.”
That's when I decided I couldn't trust you anymore.
This right here is the golden highlight of the thread that many might miss, should put this issue to complete rest. In case you missed here it is again, refer back to the original post for full story.
How much more of douchebaggery do you have to be when you've been asked sensibly to stop *** doing it, yet you deliberately continued doing so for no *** good reason while healing a main tank, then just to tell him ' the system allows it' when reconfronted about it, this just proved you're a complete deliberate moron, and a *** liar, nothing more nothing less.
End of story, but unfortunately there were 2 un-flushable turds in this thread that had to keep on deviating from main issue with 4 pages of shitposting.
Kindly appreciate if Rooks or another moderator can have a look at this, this thread was born and based on a complete lie, and has established and concluded what it needed to, and no point to keep the toilet overflowing.
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 Leviathan.Draugo
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2837
By Leviathan.Draugo 2025-06-02 04:10:43
I have two things I want to communicate to you. The first is that if he agreed not to /check you and did so anyway, that is him being a rude person, and I don't think anyone here disagrees with that statement. If you agree to something and lie about it, you are the bad person. This FFS!
Leviathan.Draugo
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2837
By Leviathan.Draugo 2025-06-02 04:16:18
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
Can we come up with some more absolutely bonkers equivalences of /checking someone in FFXI?
"I made a website and someone logged on to it today. I cannot believe that a stranger would be so rude!"
"I painted a landscape and put it on the street in my city, and someone walking by looked at it!" Mid. Your gear isn't anything but pixels, remember? Don't be trying to compare yourself to Picasso. Still curious to hear about how you contributed to the fall of the wall btw.
By Kaffy 2025-06-02 04:48:44
I think the thread was beneficial for not only bridging the gap in communication between JP and NA speakers, but also seeing polarizing viewpoints within our own community.
There are some topics that go out of control and require moderator intervention but I don't think this has been one of them.
To wingath: Do you have any specific JP FFXI websites to recommend if any of us here want to try to continue using tools like ChatGPT to communicate with each other?
By wingath 2025-06-02 06:29:12
I think the thread was beneficial for not only bridging the gap in communication between JP and NA speakers, but also seeing polarizing viewpoints within our own community.
There are some topics that go out of control and require moderator intervention but I don't think this has been one of them.
To wingath: Do you have any specific JP FFXI websites to recommend if any of us here want to try to continue using tools like ChatGPT to communicate with each other? Thanks for calling me out! I wasn’t planning to write anymore, but here I am again.
I don't think I can provide much useful information, but I'll answer to the best of my ability within what I know.
・Bulletin Boards
I think only places like 5ch (formerly 2ch, similar to Reddit overseas) are still around.
In the past, threads were created for each server, but after major version updates stopped, the number of threads related to FF11 drastically declined.
Nowadays, there are only a few threads for casual talk or jokes, I believe.
To search: "5ch ff11"
・Wiki
FF11用語辞典 — I mentioned this in a sumo-related URL earlier, but I believe this is one of the top-level wikis for FF11 information.
https://wiki.ffo.jp/
Final Fantasy XI Wiki — This is a different wiki from the one above, but it often has more readable tables and lists.
https://wikiwiki.jp/ffxi/
・Blogs
This one takes some trial and error. Personally, I often refer to blogs that appear under various search terms.
Fortunately, many strategy-focused blogs are still being updated today, and I often use them as references for Ambuscade, Gaol, and Sortie.
When I asked ChatGPT if it could translate English containing FF11 terms into Japanese, the answer was yes.
So, perhaps you could first state: “Please translate the following English, which contains FF11 terms, into Japanese,” then write what you want to look up in English.
If you then search based on the resulting Japanese output, you might find Japanese pages that match.
How’s this? I might not be much help, but I hope you can find the info you’re looking for.
Bahamut.Balduran
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 284
By Bahamut.Balduran 2025-06-02 08:16:03
Another English to Japanese guide from the golden era, Shigemo's FFXI Nihongo Guide some translations I found quite useful during my prime time raiding with Japanese community.
Kudos to the Waybackmachine Shigemo's FFXI Nihongo Guide
PS: They have a section on 'inspecting equipment' lol =)
First Meetings
Pleased to meet you - Hajimemashite
Nice to meet you (Please take care of me) - Doozo yoroshiku
What is your name? - Onamae wa?
I am Shigemo - Shigemo desu.
This is my friend. - Kochira wa watashi no yuujin/tomodachi desu.
Greetings
Hello – Konnichiwa / Konnitiwa / Tiwa
Good morning – Ohayoo gozaimasu / Ohayoo
Good evening - Konbanwa
How is everyone? - Minasan ogenki desuka?
How are you? - O genki desuka?
I'm fine - Genki desu.
See you tomorrow! - Dewa ashita!
Bye! Later! (informal) - Jya ne! / Matane! / Jaa mata!
Good night - Oyasuminasai
[NOTE: Ka at the end of a sentence signifies a question, (although not all questions use ka). You may choose to use questions marks at the end.]
Japanese or English?
Do you speak Japanese? - Nihongo ga dekimasuka? / Nihongo ga hanasemasuka?
Do you speak English? - Eigo ga dekimasuka?
Are there any English speakers? - Eigo wo hanasu hito imasuka?
Actually, I don't know much Japanese. I'm just using "Shigemo's FF11 Guide". - Jitsuha nihongo anmari shirimasen. "Shigemo's FF11 Guide" wo tsukatteru dakedesu.
Please say it in English – Eigo de itte kudasai
I speak a little of Japanese. - Nihongo chotto shaberemasu.
I know a little Japanese – Nihongo wo chotto shittemasu.
I don't understand Japanese very well. - Nihongo wa amari yoku wakarimasen.
Do you understand my Japanese? – Watashi no nihongo wakarimasuka?
I'm not good at Japanese. – Watashi wa Nihongo ga amari jouzu jyanai desu.
My Japanese is not good. – Watashi no Nihongo wa yokunai desu
I don't know Japanese. - Nihongo wa wakarimasen.
If there are mistakes don’t be surprised. - Machigai ga attemo odorokanaide kudasai.
I can't read Kanji and Hiragana. – Kanji mo Hiragana mo yomemasen.
Please use roman lettering – Romaji de onegaishimasu.
Yes, I understand – Hai, wakarimasu.
No, I don’t understand – Iie, wakarimasen.
I don’t know (informal) – Wakannai / Shiranai
Please say it again -- Moo ichido yutte kudasai
Please speak slowly -- Yukkuri hanashite kudasai
Being Polite
Just a moment please - Chotto matte kudasai
Thank you (informal) - Arigatou
Thank you very much - (Hontouni) arigatou gozaimasu.
You’re welcome. - Doitashimashite
Excuse me – Sumimasen / Shitsurei shimasu (more polite)
Sorry – Gomen / Gomenne / Gomennasai
Really sorry – Hontouni gomennasai
[NOTE: It is acceptable to say hajimemashite, then doozo yorosiku onegaishimasu upon a first meeting.]
[NOTE 2: When using romaji, Japanese will commonly abbreviate words. It can be compared to how Americans use slang. For example, ohisashiburi desu = ohisa desu, purinto kurabu = purikura, warau = W.]
[NOTE 3: It’s common for Japanese speakers to use ‘shitsurei shimasu’ at the beginning of shouting anything, as a way of saying excuse me for the shout. (ie. Shout o shitsurei shimasu)]
Chit Chat
Excuse me for a moment – Chotto sumimasen
Do you have anything you want to ask? – Nanika kikitai koto arimasuka?
How do you say “___” in Japanese? – “___” wa Nihongo de doo iimasuka?
What did you say? - Nanto osshaimashitaka?
What are you doing? - Nani wo shiteirundesuka?
What country are you from? – Okuni wa dochira desuka?
Where are you from? - Dochira kara kimashitaka?
I am from Tokyo – Tokyo desu.
How old are you? – Nansai desuka?
I am __ years old - Watashi wa __ desu.
Do you like ___ ? - ___ ga suki desuka?
I'm looking for my friends. - Tomodachi wo sagashite iru no desu ga.
What is the matter? - Doushitandesuka?
What happened? - Doushitano? (More informal version of doushitandesuka)
[NOTE: Males will commonly refer to themselves using boku or ore instead of watashi or watakushi (polite form). 'Boku' is more commonly used by younger males. Women may use atashi, although watashi is more common. Please note that ]
[NOTE 2: This guide does not use the most formal Japanese, but gaming typically does not require formal Japanese (which is more commonly used to show respect to elders or in a business situation). As a rule of thumb, it is good to be polite regardless of how informal this is, because Japanese are generally very courteous.]
Inspecting Equipment
Excuse me. Can I see your equipment? - Sumimasen. Soubi wo mite mo iidesuka?
Nice [___] you have! - Yoi [___] desune! **
Is this [___] expensive? - Kono [___] wa takai desuka? **
[NOTE: Keep in mind that "soubi" or "soubihenkou" is equipment. If you would like to compliment someone on their equipment you could use an adjective from the word list below. For example = Kakkoii soubi. or Anata no soubi wa kakkoii desu.]
Partying/Grouping
Do you want to level together? - Isshoni level agemasuka?
Would you care to PT? - Yoroshikattara PT isshoni shimasenka? **
I’m looking for a party - Party wo sagashite imasu
Please invite me? - Sasotte kudasai
Can I join? - PT ni haittemo ii? / Sankashiteiidesuka?
Are you busy? - Isogashii desu ka?
Have you got a moment? – Chotto ii desuka?
Sorry, I am not free now - Gomennasai, youji ga arunode. (kotowarimasu)
Sorry, I don’t have time – Gomennasai, jikan ga arimasen
Maybe next time - Mata kondo onegai shimasu **
Probably later - Osoraku atode **
Glad to have you, looking for more – Yorosiku, hokanohito mo sasotte imasu
Sorry, can you invite me again? - Gomenne, mata sasotte kudasai
I have asked a number of people – Nannin ka no hito ni kikimashita.
“____” wants to party with us – “____” ga kono PT ni hairitai rashii desuyo.
Whoever is fine - Dare demo ii yo **
I am a new player – Atarashii pureeyaa desu.
He’s already there – Moo mukooni itte imasu
There's no WHM - Shiro inai / Siro inai
Organizing the Party
What is my role/job? - Watashi no jobbu (job) / yakume wa nan desu ka?
Can someone become the leader? - Dareka leader ni natte kuremasuka?
Can somebody become a leader instead of me? - Dareka watashi no kawari ni leader ni natte kuremasuka?
I will do it - Watashi ga shimashou.
(the person who lures the mob) - Tsuriyaku
Tank - Tateyaku
Frontline (Melee) - Zenei
Backline (Mages) - Goei
I will be the first-line healer - Kaifuku senpatsude ikimasu
I’ll be the second-line healer and use weaken magic - Kaifuku nibanmeto jakutai mahou ikimasu.
Switch healing duties (MP has run out) - MP kirede suwarimasu. Kaifuku onegai shimasu.
Group together for Protect/Shell - Puro to sheru kakerunode atsumatte kudasai.
What do you want to do now? - Kore kara nani wo shitai desuka?
What shall we do?- Dou shimashouka?
Where are we going to hunt? - Doko de kari o shimasu ka?
What shall we kill? - Nani o karimasuka? **
Shall we go to Boyada to hunt [crabs]? - [Kani] wo kari ni Boyada ni ikimashouka? **
Whatever is fine - Nan demo ii yo
I want to try killing goblins - Gobu wo yattemitai ("Gobu wo yattemitaidesu")
I don't see anything /There's nothing there/ There's nothing here - Nani mo inai yo
Let me know if it pops - Pop sitara osietene
Should I pull? - Tsuri ni itte kimashouka? **
What weapon skill would you like me to use? - Dono WS wo tsukattara iindesuka? **
I am ready - Jyunbi OK
Good Experience (Tasty XP) - Umai ("oishii," "oishiidesune," etc)
It looks like we’re doing good. (we’re doing good) - Ii kanji desu ne. **
Can handle more - Motto ikemasu
Stay back please - Sagatte kudasai **
Let me try to find someone that can Raise right now. - Ima “Raise” dekiru hito sagashite mimasune. **
Excuse me, may I get a raise at [I-9]? - Sumimasen, [I-9] de raise onegai dekimasenka? **
Wait while I raise you. - Reizu kakemasu! matte kudasai.
My MP has run out – MP kire
Let me rest please - Yasumasete kudasai **
Don’t worry – Shimpai shinaide
Run! – Nigete!
[NOTE: It is common to combine words in the Japanese language, (probably because Japanese written out in hiragana, katakana, and kanji is written without breaks). So if a word appears to be unusually long – try to break it down. For example, mata ne = matane.]
[NOTE 2 : Although certain words are similar in meaning, they may be best for different situations. Also, keep in mind, some phrases are best used by females and some by males. For example, on one gamefaq it said anyone could use "Boku..." (which translates to “I”), but boku is inappropriate for females to say and should instead be used by younger males.]
After the Party Is Over **
Picture please – Shashin onegaishimasu
Shall we take a picture? - Shashin wo torimashouka?
Thank you for the hard work! – Otsukaresama! (Otsukaresama deshita!)
Thank you for the party! - PT arigatou gozaimashita!
It was fun! - Tanoshikatta desu!
Let’s go hunting (exploring) together again! - Mata isshoni bouken siyoune!
(Common phrase for leaving) I’m gonna go - Ittekimasu
(Common response to the previous phrase) Please go safely, please have a safe trip - Itterasshai
Are you heading towards [Bastok]? - [Bastok] ni mukatte imasuka?
Shall we go together? - Isshoni ikimashouka?
I also have a THF, her name is Kina. - THF mo motte imasu, onamae wa Kina.
THF is fun but difficult. - THF wa tanoshiiyo, demo muzukashii.
Right now I’m playing THF. / Right now they are playing a THF. - Ima wa THF yatteruyo.
Now I am cooking. - Ima ryoori shite imasu.
Can you please help me? - Tetsudatte kuremasenka?
I am glad that you are pleased (normally in reference to gifts) - Yorokonde moraete uresiiyo
Coming and Going
Where are you? – Doko ni imasuka?
Where are you going? - Doko iku no?
Let's go back to [place] - [place] e modorimashou
We should go to [place] - [place] ni modoru beki dayo
I'm going to [place] - [place] e ikimasu
Shall we go? – Ikimashouka? (formal) Ikooka? (informal)
Can you come - Koreru?
Let's go - Ikimashou (formal) Ikou (informal)
Follow me please - Tsuitekite kudasai.
Stay here please - Kokoni ite kudasai
Don't go too fast please. - Anmari hayaku ikanaide kudasai.
I'm going back – Kaerimasu / Modorimasu
Come here - Chotto kocchi kite
I'm coming now - Ima iku
I can go – Ikeru
I can't go - Ikenai
I want to go - Ikitai
I don't want to go - Ikitakunai
Don't go - Ikanaide
I don’t know where [place] is – [place] no basho, wakarimasen or [place] ga dokonanoka, wakarimasen
Where is [place]? – [place] wa doko desuka? or [place] wa dokoni aruno desuka?
How do I get to [place]? – [place] wa dou itta houga ii? or [place] niha douyatte ikeba iikana?
I am lost. Where is [____]? - Maigo ni narimashita. [___] wa doko desuka?
If it’s difficult getting to Jeuno, want to go together? - Mosi taihenndattara Jeuno made isshoni iku?
I went to Bastok- Basu e ikimashita
I am in Selbina – Watashi wa Serubina ni imasu.
I've found you! - Mitsuketa!
This way – Kocchidayo or kocchidesu
That way – Socchidayo or socchidesu
That way over there – Achira
Which way – Docchinano? or docchidesuka?
To the right – Migi no hooni
To the left – Hidari no hooni
You turn right – Migi e magarimasu
You turn left – Hidari e magarimasu
It’s near – Chikai desu
It’s far – Tooi desu
I'm not in a hurry - Isoide imasen.
I'm leaving soon - Moo sugu deru
I have to go soon - Ikanakutewa ikemasen
Sorry, I have to go in 30 minutes. – Gomennasai, ato 30pun gurai de ochimasu.
Sorry, but I have to go now - Sumimasen, moo ikanakutewa ikemasen
I’m going to the toilet - Toire (toilet) ittekimasu
I need to reboot, be back soon - PC wo saikidou shite, sugu modorimasu
I'm going to get a signet - shigu tte kimasu (shigunetto wo kakete kimasu)
I'm going to my mog house - mogurimasu
Useful information I learned throughout my Japanese tenure:
When joining a party, Pleased to meet you - Hajimemashite, used as a greeting to party members, worth noting this is not equivalent to the auto-translate version of 'Nice to meet you' which translates on the JP client to a phrase used for meeting someone for the first time, and even then, Japanese players rarely ever used that phrase. It can be misleading as the JP>EN Windower addon will translate Hajimemashite to nice to meet you which is not entirely accurate. Alternatively, you can write "Yoroshiku desu" as another form of greeting.
After you complete an event or a boss or BCNM or anything group related, it's always nice to say Thank you for the hard work! – Otsukaresama! (Otsukaresama deshita!), in parenthesis is the formal version, and former is the less formal version, if you want the least informal abbreviated version, you can say "Otu!" they will love that :)
When a player is leaving or BRB, you can say Itterasshai for formal version, or It(t)era for the informal version, which is basically 'take care', common misconception do not use the game version of 'Take Care' as it attributes to 'watch out' or 'danger'
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Bismarck.Johnb
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 195
By Bismarck.Johnb 2025-06-02 10:04:41
How much more of douchebaggery do you have to be when you've been asked sensibly to stop *** doing it, yet you deliberately continued doing so for no *** good reason while healing a main tank, then just to tell him 'the system allows it' when reconfronted about it, this just proved you're a complete deliberate moron, and a *** liar, nothing more nothing less.
End of story, but unfortunately there were 2 un-flushable turds in this thread that had to keep on deviating from main issue with 4 pages of shitposting.
Kindly appreciate if Rooks or another moderator can have a look at this, this thread was born and based on a complete lie, and has established and concluded what it needed to, and no point to keep the toilet overflowing.
It wasn't a lie. It is a discussion thread on whether using /check is good or bad (a morality issue). It is not related to whatever happened mainly in Omen since that is a personal issue and I just mentioned the circumstances where I thought of the idea for this topic. On a grand scale, this is a FFXI societal issue instead since /check can happen anywhere.
The /check in Omen only happened once by the way and it was an accident. I moved on already but it seems Win is still upset about a /check that happened over a month ago. Obviously I know by now not to /check him again. I don't spam /check ever. I already mentioned at the time that I forgot maybe a week or two prior that Wingath seemed to disapprove of a /check. The Omen ordeal was the first time he warped out mid-battle just because of a /check. I actually still disapprove of him warping out mid-battle since he should have been helping the party, but oh well.
By Tarage 2025-06-02 10:43:09
How much more of douchebaggery do you have to be when you've been asked sensibly to stop *** doing it, yet you deliberately continued doing so for no *** good reason while healing a main tank, then just to tell him 'the system allows it' when reconfronted about it, this just proved you're a complete deliberate moron, and a *** liar, nothing more nothing less.
End of story, but unfortunately there were 2 un-flushable turds in this thread that had to keep on deviating from main issue with 4 pages of shitposting.
Kindly appreciate if Rooks or another moderator can have a look at this, this thread was born and based on a complete lie, and has established and concluded what it needed to, and no point to keep the toilet overflowing.
It wasn't a lie. It is a discussion thread on whether using /check is good or bad (a morality issue). It is not related to whatever happened mainly in Omen since that is a personal issue and I just mentioned the circumstances where I thought of the idea for this topic. On a grand scale, this is a FFXI societal issue instead since /check can happen anywhere.
The /check in Omen only happened once by the way and it was an accident. I moved on already but it seems Win is still upset about a /check that happened over a month ago. Obviously I know by now not to /check him again. I don't spam /check ever. I already mentioned at the time that I forgot maybe a week or two prior that Wingath seemed to disapprove of a /check. The Omen ordeal was the first time he warped out mid-battle just because of a /check. I actually still disapprove of him warping out mid-battle since he should have been helping the party, but oh well.
Go *** yourself dude.
By Dodik 2025-06-02 10:55:53
Ok, the answer to your question "Using /check in game good or bad" is it depends.
As you can see, Japanese culture and western world culture differ in what they deem acceptable wrt /check in game.
To avoid cultural issues and misunderstandings like this one, regardless of your intent, best not to /check anyone while in content unless you are sure they won't mind.
If you do it by accident, just say “Mistake, please excuse me."
If you do want to see a set, wait after the content is over and ask them if they can show you and if they don't mind you /checking them.
That this particular thing differs between cultures has been known since 2003. No excuse not to know by now.
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By Garfield 2025-06-02 12:21:28
It is not related to whatever happened mainly in Omen since that is a personal issue and I just mentioned the circumstances where I thought of the idea for this topic.
Here's the thing, the action itself of /check is not bad, but nor is it good, it just exists. It is the intent behind the action that is what determines it. The place, time, reasoning all factor in. Mid-combat on a boss you are getting helped with, is negative in its place and timing, what was the reason for the check mid-combat? ← This is where the morality comes in.
I actually still disapprove of him warping out mid-battle since he should have been helping the party, but oh well.
You disapprove of him leaving "he should have been helping the party" right? But he disapproved of you breaking a verbal agreement during an event he didn't need, but was helping you because you needed it when "you should have been healing the party"? See the similarity here?
So this was in an inappropriate time and place. Therefor the action was bad, but you don't seem to accept that. According to the testimony while it sounds like it was "once" to a single person, would appear that it happened to multiple people, so this "once" is not really a trustworthy claim.
On a grand scale, this is a FFXI societal issue instead since /check can happen anywhere.
This sounds like the original excuse of "Because the system allows it." which you didn't deny saying and a grasp of an reason in attempt to excuse bad behavior.
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By Lakshmi.Sahzi 2025-06-02 13:26:05
When I had just graduated college I moved to Southern California...shacked up with my wealthy brother and surfed and basically wasted time...
While walking out of the grocery store near Laguna a girl driving used the hardcore /check feature on me....and then proceeded to broadside a parked car....it was amazing.
Is this story related to the OP? Probably not and I don't care...I'll continue telling this story as often as I see the chance...
..anyway...continue...
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By Afania 2025-06-02 14:01:17
Many people here missed the point. The point isn't "you can't use the check function" in game. The point was "ask before you check" and "don't spam /check mid-battle and cause more chat log spam"
Generating more logs via a actions mid-battle is about as annoying as people who made /p message in their WS macros, lol.
There is no reason to ask the dev to delete /check function, the function itself is perfectly fine.
If you don't want to follow social etiquette of another culture, then don't complain when they refuse to play with you and shout JP only. You have right to ask other people "deal with it" when you /check, other people also has right to reject you because you don't follow their social rules.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-02 14:27:09
/c afania
Lol this scrub cant afford to R15 his death penalty
By K123 2025-06-02 15:34:39
Didn't R15 my Carn's for years, still cry at the 100M *2 I had to spend to do them.
By Afania 2025-06-02 15:38:55
/c afania
Lol this scrub cant afford to R15 his death penalty
My DP was R15 for a long time, but I never idle in it.
So you have to check mid-battle and spam my log to see it, and be that guy who annoyed people lol.
Honestly if you really want to know if someone is scrub or not, the easiest way is to parse or ask them to show all of the gear sets not just one. Randomly checking people in idle is pointless, nor checking mid-battle for 1 set.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-02 15:41:00
Why are you frequently swapping in and out of DP midbattle???
By Afania 2025-06-02 15:43:08
Why are you frequently swapping in and out of DP midbattle???
I swap it out when I need duration for rolls or change WS duh. Do you use DP for none leaden WS lol?
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2025-06-02 15:45:36
the doublespeak is so damn enjoyable....not adding a single thing and quite aware of the fact...please continue.
By Afania 2025-06-02 15:49:51
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »the doublespeak is so damn enjoyable....not adding a single thing and quite aware of the fact...please continue.
I can't wait to do onion blade III FBII > Naegling SB > Fomalhaut LS for 3 steps and change weapons 3 times in the sequence. ;) Spam /c for every WS Nynja!
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-02 16:08:56
Why are you frequently swapping in and out of DP midbattle???
I swap it out when I need duration for rolls or change WS duh. Do you use DP for none leaden WS lol? Im not anal about min/maxing
And my cor is my 4th priority of focus
My two dds are more significantly important
And im more concerned about my brd keeping songs up vs raiding my cors dps by 0.2% changing gun over and over
By Afania 2025-06-02 16:15:56
Why are you frequently swapping in and out of DP midbattle???
I swap it out when I need duration for rolls or change WS duh. Do you use DP for none leaden WS lol? Im not anal about min/maxing
And my cor is my 4th priority of focus
My two dds are more significantly important
And im more concerned about my brd keeping songs up vs raiding my cors dps by 0.2% changing gun over and over
Well I don't multi box, if I don't micro-manage many things on one character I got bored ;(
I've heard that players in Doom eternal also change weapons every shot and spams jump to maximize dps. Or StarCraft players micro-manage in encounters to maximize dps.
It's the same deal: more things to micro-manage in games then some people will do it because boredom.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-06-02 16:32:49
As an EU player, I’ve seen it from both sides over the decades. Having played with many NA and JP players, the mentality of each can sometimes clash for these reasons.
- Western players are far more gung ho and don't care if a few players get KO'd. So long as the party or alliance wins, nothing else matters. There's less patience and manners because it's all about time. The quicker we get it done, the quicker we can move on and do something else. Yes, we socialize as we go about the content, but we aren't going to stop to ask nicely if we can examine someone to offer advice on sets.
Leaders, like myself, may examine when there's some downtime, but rarely during the middle of battle. There's no time for that. Do it after the event. Performance in terms of damage is far more important than efficient healing. If a DD isn't trying their hardest, what are they even doing? The best DDs will know when to back off or use defensive gear, but they certainly won't disengage. Being asked to do so goes against the mentality entirely.
- Playing with JP groups in the past, I admired how much they care. They avoid KOs not just for efficiency, but because they don’t want anyone to feel like they failed. If this means a DD has to back off to get heals, they’ll disengage and move out of range until the fight calms down. I distinctly remember joining an all JP party for Pil. Their method wasn’t fast, but it was safe, and for me, it was both admirable and slightly frustrating, as I felt we could be killing faster.
Still, I enjoyed it, because everyone was well mannered, prepared, and knew their role. Instructions were clearly explained, and no one was left guessing. I also played with a few JP players who had adopted more of a western style, but even then, they made an effort to communicate. One of the best Dynamis pullers I ever knew was a JP Taru. He didn’t speak much English, but he was well-loved by the LS, which was made up mostly of NA players and the odd EU guy like myself.
- So, when we consider these mentalities, it becomes easier to see why there would be tension if, say, a WHM meant to be watching the tank is instead checking a DD mid-fight. Even if it’s low-end content, the JP mindset sees this as careless. They expect that sort of thing to wait until after the battle. If the tank gets KO’d, that’s a failure in their eyes. Western players are more used to brushing that off as part of the game.
In the end, it's not about who is right or wrong, but about understanding where each side is coming from. Different regions developed different habits over time, shaped by culture, language, and priorities. If we want smoother runs and fewer misunderstandings in mixed groups, a little awareness goes a long way. Being mindful of how others play doesn't mean giving up your own style, but it does mean picking the right moment for things like gear checks or advice. That small bit of consideration can make all the difference.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-02 16:50:46
I've heard that players in Doom eternal also change weapons every shot and spams jump to maximize dps. Or StarCraft players micro-manage in encounters to maximize dps. Let me know when someones multiboxing Doom Eternal or StarCraft
what kind of dumbass strawman was this supposed to be??
By Afania 2025-06-02 22:58:55
I've heard that players in Doom eternal also change weapons every shot and spams jump to maximize dps. Or StarCraft players micro-manage in encounters to maximize dps. Let me know when someones multiboxing Doom Eternal or StarCraft
what kind of dumbass strawman was this supposed to be??
"Strawman"? What do you mean exactly lol. It's not like I told you not to multibox. I only shared reason behind why some people micro-manage. You are the one who asked "why" swap weapons in and out. If you don't like the answer then don't ask the question.
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By wingath 2025-06-02 23:03:24
I thought this thread was already winding down, but since there are a few points where our perceptions differ, I’d like to add some missing context and correct a few things.
■ Timeframe
You mentioned “1 or 2 weeks,” but you actually started using /check much earlier than that.
From what I recall, it began during Job Point farming sessions with LS members, so it's been more than half a year, right?
If it really was just 1 or 2 weeks, that would mean you forgot a promise you made within that time and repeated the behavior — are you sure about that?
■ Omen
This was something I had originally decided to leave out because the post was getting long, but now I think it would have been better to mention it.
We had 8 or 9 members at the time, so it was a 2-party alliance.
The Omen boss arena is circular, so please picture a clock.
The tank from the tank party was positioned at 11 o’clock, and the healers were at 7 o’clock.
I was in a different party, using ranged attacks, and maintained position around 4 o’clock — just within Weaponskill range.
That positioning wasn’t for optimal damage, but to avoid taking hits, and to avoid dragging hate or AoEs into the healer group.
In other words, from your perspective — watching the tank — I would have been far on the right side of the screen.
So I interpreted it as you deliberately targeting and /checking me.
■ “Accident”
You said it was an accident, but your post clearly states:
"It was an accident that I /check during an Omen caturae boss, sorry. I was curious at the time and forgot about the 'warnings.'"
From my point of view, this didn’t feel like an accident — it seemed intentional.
■ The Topic
You said the topic is about whether /check is right or wrong, but if that's the case, I think the example you chose is inappropriate.
If you’re using that specific event as a basis for the discussion, then it’s only fair that all related details be included — especially since your original post mentions my actions.
■ After the Warp
The next day, right after logging in, I apologized to the LS members.
I said something like:
“Sorry for warping out yesterday. But I got frustrated when he broke a promise and wasn’t acting like a proper White Mage.”
Some members told me they were able to beat the boss just fine, and that they understood how I felt.
At that time, someone also told me that you had been checking other members too, and had been cautioned about it before.
I’ll say it again — even if we lost a DPS, I felt that having the White Mage fulfill their role properly would have made the boss fight more stable overall.
■ Anger
I'm not angry.
I give advice or warnings to people I think can improve, but I haven’t involved myself with you since then, have I?
I haven’t spoken badly about you behind your back, and I haven’t harassed you.
Honestly, I just lost interest in you.
That said, if something is written about me that doesn’t match how I remember it, I will correct it.
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By Asura.Volteczero 2025-06-03 01:11:52
Would the check be more acceptable if the WHM was good at their job?
Had someone else warp out of Omen today after using /check on them. The person was a Japanese player. They got too angry saying 気分が悪い (bad feeling).
Question is, am I bad for using /check on someone? Why do people get so angry in this day and age? Why don't the people just turn the /check filter on in their logs if they don't like it?
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