Controller Vs. Keyboard, LFG...

Jesus this still going? Are that many people butthurt?

What gameplay related thing can controller do that keyboard can't?

I never claimed there is one.

You claimed keyboard can do things controller can't.

What gameplay related thing can keyboard do that controller can't.

I don't believe there is anything that a controller player can't do that a KB player can do. There were some that I thought were impossible but since then I found out that they can be done, although I still would insist that those, among other actions (like lockstyles) are significantly slower and/or require you to take up macro space to do them.

You have claimed:


And I've been asking you for 3 pages about why you said that, but you haven't given me a single reason, so is this like a pot and kettle situation? Are you insecure about the fact that you can't prove your point at all, or what?

Still waiting on a response to this too, while we're on the subject of avoiding questions.

Controller on thigh gaming is optimal endgame healing posture.

There's nothing one input device can do that the other cannot do.

The only impact your input device has is on the speed with which you can do things. Pretty sure this has been the same position argued by everyone on both sides in pretty much this entire thread.

That said, there are some things that you simply cannot do as fast on a controller. Less buttons = longer button combos for some activities. Anyone used to playing on keyboard will be able to do anything in the game just as quickly as anyone on a controller could do, but the opposite is not true. There is no objective downside to playing with a keyboard. Only subjective ones: Some people are just used to a controller and not used to a keyboard and so switching would be harder than just continuing to play on a controller. Some people just like the feel of a controller in their hand better than a keyboard, or maybe their sitting arrangement makes a controller more comfortable. These are perfectly acceptable reasons to use a controller, but don't try to come up with this weird logic to try to explain how it's actually better than keyboard. It's objectively inferior, just not by enough to really matter much.

People really need to try XIVCrossbar

Already been answered.


It's faster for me because muscle memory is a thing. You don't have to believe it, idgaf.

I fully believe keyboard is faster for you and even most people. Also fully believe a good keyboard user will be faster 99% of the time than a good controller user.

Then I responded to this and you ignored my response and pretended it didn't exist because you were wrong.

Why are you hiding from my questions? Maybe that's why you were pretending I was hiding from yours.


I said hold right, then You said


So, could you please tell me how you get from your first macro to your 4th macro without holding a button? Would you like to apologize to me for saying:


Please? this is why I said what I said; in DIRECT RESPONSE to your criticism of my controller directions.

Sorry, should I have said "long press right" instead of "hold right?" Would you like to explain to me the difference between those two terms?

I thought you were saying you need to hold button to keep macro bar open, not hold right directional button to move selection.

Male, no offense, but maybe get your meds checked? Or get on them?

Semi-joking.

And I've already answered that. I never, ever, ever, have to press right 6x nor hold right directional button to move from one macro to the next because controller macros remember where you were before and you only start from the very first macro the first time you open the macro bar.

To hit ctrl1, ctrl2, ctrl3, ctr4, ctrl5 in order it's LB x, LB right x, LB right x, LB right x, LB right x. Which any controller user can do without even looking at the screen.

Trust that is clear.

Just to clarify then:

Multiple times you accused me of failing at reading comprehension and what you're telling me right now is that you failed to comprehend what I wrote?


I understand that it remembers where you are. This is incredibly evident from the half dozen times I have demonstrated this skill in this exact same thread (it seems that you either completely ignored these, or misread them). So you only ever move from one macro to the next, and never, ever, under any circumstance on any job, need to move more than one macro to either side?

I don't think this is at all possible. There's absolutely no way to lay out your macros so that every action you take is exactly one macro away from your previous action, every time.

Here's a scenario, OK? Your Savage Blade macro is R2 macro 2. You just pressed this. Now you need to cast cure IV, which is your R2 macro 7.

Please describe doing this without holding any directional pad button. Please do it while describing every button that you will press or hold, in order.

Geez. This exercise is really draining but fine. From macro 2 to 7.

LB right X. That's 2. LB left 5 times then x. That's 7.

I've already said you sometimes need to hold buttons to get to other side. Yes, controller users put relevant macros together to avoid this. If you keep doing it then change the macros so you don't. Your scenario doesn't happen in real life. You're trying to find things that won't work just because.

Yes, I failed reading comprehension and misunderstood. My bad.

A controller player whos been playing on controller long enough will develop sufficient muscle memory to know how long to hold the button to jump 5 spaces in the macro bar.

You can get an estimate of these time differences by pressing CTRL and left or right on the arrow pad.

Strong disagree.

There's definitely certain playstyles that aren't possible with a controller but there's others that are more efficient with one.

There are certain things each excels in and people should be aware of the limitations of both.

Butthurt? Mehhh I would say no, not butthurt. The original statement of “Controller players don’t adapt well” was so ridiculous we just couldn’t help but chime in on it lol. Was probably just a misinformed opinion but it sparked quite the discussion.

It would have been an excellent troll if it was intentional.

If it’s a full vanilla game, we all have to use the same macro system and its limitations. Quality players are generally well prepared so which method of execution will not matter. You will have a VERY hard time finding any empirical evidence of Keyboard players performing any better or worse than a Controller player; at least amongst players that are actually trying.

If including addons, it matters even less all actions will be performed efficiently by all quality players even if they’re using a Rockband Guitar. Could probably get that LoL Foot guy in here, too.

If multi-boxing, Keyboard has the advantage… however that “Advantage” is quickly truncated to specifically mapped keys on the keyboard to do our special things with our mules. What good is the 100% keyboard for me when all I need is one of my F-Keys to have my /send scripts do all sorts of things or any of the G-Keys on my Corsair Keyboard to do any sort of task that’s a little too large for a default macro? “Controller with Hotkeys” if you will.

Use what you like best but try to take advantage of anything that can be done easily, imo.

This is my setup as well but with windower binds for, eg, ctrl-s to tell an alt to cast sleepga. In addition, have controller buttons mapped to switch characters so don't have to alt-tab.

Since we're using addon and additional binds and scripts, I will say a lot of this is doable on controller now:



Is my basic template when my alt is set to WHM. For instance LT+X opens cure magic. Spells are cast just as fast as hitting a macro this way:






FFXISwitcher is a godsend for this. I have it bound RB so i can just flip between my main and alt easy.

I look forward to the "well that uses addons" comments.

Basically lol. But if people are using windower binds then..... well.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Can you give an example of something that's objectively more efficient to do with controller?

I'm going to guess it has to do with chocobo digging because I've never done that in my life.

I play them both together but main controller

As someone with weakness in my left wrist, keyboard is far easier / less painful in 9999% of games.

However… I cannot for the life of me play XI on keyboard. Tried multiple times.

I have wrist problems because of playing FFXI on keyboard.

With the ability to bind keys onto most controllers nowadays, controller is a lot of fun imo.

Xbox Elite V2 has 1st party remapping and it's awesome. My back toggles are my dt toggles, spell menu, JA menu, etc... Hold a modifier key and the back buttons or front buttons are now your standard F keys for targeting players or enemies...

It's fantastic....Even with that I use a Stream Deck and have my removal spells as buttons when I'm on WHM or SCH, layout below... I tend to fat finger when I attempt to type in the heat of battle, so this works for me lol

You gotta go deeper
I got a software called rewasd, which went to subscription for non lifetime.
The full version is on GitHub, cracked

But I have set up shift keys using the paddles, remapping the whole controller to various hotkeys depending on which paddle is held.
Sometimes two paddles being held.
I did this by having the software press keyboard combos mapped to controller buttons.

I have send commands, gear swap commands, addon commands etc
Sneak invis scripts, sleep macros you name it

I think I had more fun building that than I actually do playing

I also have the xivcrossbar and switch focus add-ons running on the default controller layout.

I hope this inspires someone to do the same

Yea the Xbox Accessories app has all that functionality, including keyboard inputs, layers, modifier keys, etc...

So... How do you chat while fighting? With a mic? I am not used to talking to humans. Just let me type while pressing some macros.

I honestly can't remember half of what the buttons do. I have keyboards with macros and whatnot and I still type out commands because I can't remember them. Called me old.

I mainly play with a static group and communicate via discord/mic, if I played with someone outside of that group it would have to be keyboard or me telling someone in the static to type something lol

I just set my controller in my lap when I need to type, since keyboard is still right in front of me. I'm a pretty fast typer so I usually don't have any issues. Similar to Pipster if I'm doing difficult content with my friends, we're typically in voice chat together so quick calls or decisions don't need to be typed out.

Controller for XI is just very comfortable for me... I use keyboard & mouse typically in most other PC games, but I just couldn't get into it for XI. I even do traditional manual dualboxxing with my BRD on controller, I just use FFXI SwitchMon to swap windows quickly (I have it hotkey'd to RB shoulder button).