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New games suck... or is it just me?
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:29:41
There's at least a strong correlation between inclusion and use of hideous characters/preachy storylines. If that premise can't be accepted, there's not really any chance of consensus because the opponent is arguing in bad faith. Sure, but that does not mean that the inclusion of "hideous characters" means that the storyline is going to be preachy. For starters, the use of "hideous characters" is already arguing from a bad place, because you're implying that anyone who doesn't look like the cookie cutter generic white shaved head dude is bad. If that's actually your argument, then I really don't know what else to say to you other than "Get *** bigot". Did people forget the 2000s and 2010s where nearly EVERY protagonist was a white shaved head dude bro? God forbid they look like anything else am I right?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:29:42
Also the hell is wrong with taking sides on this issue? One side is "Hey we should try to include people who are normally excluded and have no representation in media, as shifting it from 100% / 0% to something more like 80% / 20% isn't going to harm those who are currently 100% because they're still the main characters in a majority of media. The other side are biggoted *** who can't comprehend that all media shouldn't specifically reference them and their cultural experiences. It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. It's okay for you not to see yourself in every single character dipshit.
ICYMI:
I have a platinum subscription to the "give them absolutely no *** quarter" ideology, because thats what led us to the cesspool we are in.
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By Godfry 2025-04-23 16:31:11
There's at least a strong correlation between inclusion and use of hideous characters/preachy storylines. If that premise can't be accepted, there's not really any chance of consensus because the opponent is arguing in bad faith.
Masterclass of a comment.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:31:21
Just because a company will try to use inclusion to hide flaws in a game
Lmao.. typical comment of a dude who admits he still wears masks in public to save granny. Point to where I said that. Also I love how you conveniently ignored the request to explain how it harms you in any way to wear a mask when around people who can get sick easily.
Also also holy ***I can't believe you think "heh heh *** old people they should die so I am not slightly uncomfortable" is the dunk you went with.
By K123 2025-04-23 16:31:56
It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. Describes millions of Americans.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:32:12
Also the hell is wrong with taking sides on this issue? One side is "Hey we should try to include people who are normally excluded and have no representation in media, as shifting it from 100% / 0% to something more like 80% / 20% isn't going to harm those who are currently 100% because they're still the main characters in a majority of media. The other side are biggoted *** who can't comprehend that all media shouldn't specifically reference them and their cultural experiences. It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. It's okay for you not to see yourself in every single character dipshit.
ICYMI:
I have a platinum subscription to the "give them absolutely no *** quarter" ideology, because thats what led us to the cesspool we are in. So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
By Afania 2025-04-23 16:32:38
Also the hell is wrong with taking sides on this issue?
No, it's not wrong. I don't have specific preference on type A/B/Male/Female in character creation but I am not against people having a preference due to their ideology. I am only against political spams on game forums.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:32:57
It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. Describes millions of Americans. Why, yes, I am saying that being racist is bad, and that people who are racist are bad. Is this seriously an argument we're having?
By K123 2025-04-23 16:33:25
Did people forget the 2000s and 2010s where nearly EVERY protagonist was a white shaved head dude bro? 
By Godfry 2025-04-23 16:33:36
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
Did you consult Fauci on this? Why are you asking people to take their masks off?
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By K123 2025-04-23 16:34:27
It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. Describes millions of Americans. Why, yes, I am saying that being racist is bad, and that people who are racist are bad. Is this seriously an argument we're having? I'm saying there are millions of Americans that don't want to see non-white people or other religious information in the media.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:34:41
Did people forget the 2000s and 2010s where nearly EVERY protagonist was a white shaved head dude bro? Oh, god, a protagonist who is... let's see here, white and male. You sure showed me, that's totally different from the majority of things I described previously. You sure got me.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:34:57
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
ICYMI again:
We are
But you* dont like when non-buynary people start doing non-buybary things and complain about them being bigots when they exercise their capitalist right to vote with their wallets.
*collective you, of people sharing the same ideology, not you specifically
too easy.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:35:25
It's like saying you don't want to see any darkies on TV, or that any reference to non Christian media forbidden. Describes millions of Americans. Why, yes, I am saying that being racist is bad, and that people who are racist are bad. Is this seriously an argument we're having? I'm saying there are millions of Americans that don't want to see non-white people or other religious information in the media. And I'm saying that those people are racist *** and I don't give a ***what they think and honestly, the world would be better off if they died.
By K123 2025-04-23 16:35:59
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:37:19
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
ICYMI again:
We are
But you* dont like when non-buynary people start doing non-buybary things and complain about them being bigots when they exercise their capitalist right to vote with their wallets.
*collective you, of people sharing the same ideology, not you specifically
too easy. Kay, so games like Undertale and Deltarune that were wildly popular and sold a ton of copies and continue to make bank somehow don't exist in your universe? Also I can't help but notice that you can't make an argument without mocking a subset of people for wanting to be included. That says a lot about what a massive jackass you are.
By K123 2025-04-23 16:37:36
You say "shaved had dude bro", I just see rentboys.
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:37:52
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
Did you consult Fauci on this? Why are you asking people to take their masks off? Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:39:01
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
ICYMI again:
We are
But you* dont like when non-buynary people start doing non-buybary things and complain about them being bigots when they exercise their capitalist right to vote with their wallets.
*collective you, of people sharing the same ideology, not you specifically
too easy. Kay, so games like Undertale and Deltarune that were wildly popular and sold a ton of copies and continue to make bank somehow don't exist in your universe? Also I can't help but notice that you can't make an argument without mocking a subset of people for wanting to be included. That says a lot about what a massive jackass you are. You're the one who just went on record stating
the world would be better off if [people I dont like] died.
But yeah, I'm the jackass lol
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By Godfry 2025-04-23 16:40:16
And I'm saying that those people are racist *** and I don't give a ***what they think and honestly, the world would be better off if they died.
There is it!! The summer of love we were promised.
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By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:40:19
So a bigot. Understood. Would you mind elaborating on what parts you consider to be a "cesspool" so we can have you go fully mask off?
ICYMI again:
We are
But you* dont like when non-buynary people start doing non-buybary things and complain about them being bigots when they exercise their capitalist right to vote with their wallets.
*collective you, of people sharing the same ideology, not you specifically
too easy. Kay, so games like Undertale and Deltarune that were wildly popular and sold a ton of copies and continue to make bank somehow don't exist in your universe? Also I can't help but notice that you can't make an argument without mocking a subset of people for wanting to be included. That says a lot about what a massive jackass you are. You're the one who just went on record stating
the world would be better off if [people I dont like] died.
But yeah, I'm the jackass lol The world would be better off if racists were not alive, correct. That is not a controversial opinion. If you want to disregard the entire civil rights movement AND WW2 just so you can be racist, I kinda don't give a ***about you anymore.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:42:08
Let me know whos civil rights are being taken away by games having "male" and "female" opposed to "type A" and "type B".
By K123 2025-04-23 16:42:20
Who pissed in your coffee today Tarage?
If not venting on ffxiah.com, how else do you relieve your mental health issues?
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:42:36
And I'm saying that those people are racist *** and I don't give a ***what they think and honestly, the world would be better off if they died.
There is it!! The summer of love we were promised. I have no love for racists. Why the hell would I? Why the hell should anyone love people who explicitly hate others because of the color of their skin?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:43:36
Afania and Viciouss rn:
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By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:43:55
Let me know whos civil rights are being taken away by games having "male" and "female" opposed to "type A" and "type B". Once again, it's about trying to INCLUDE a group of people who don't normally find representation in media. It's about giving them a seat at the table. A MINOR inconvenience to everyone else. Let's flip it around. How are YOU harmed by the label change?
By K123 2025-04-23 16:44:04
Let me know whos civil rights are being taken away by games having "male" and "female" opposed to "type A" and "type B". Correct answer: noone's.
If they take Zidane sexually molesting 16 year old Sarah out of any FF9 remake I feel like my liberties under the constitution have been destroyed though.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-04-23 16:45:08
Let me know whos civil rights are being taken away by games having "male" and "female" opposed to "type A" and "type B". Once again, it's about trying to INCLUDE a group of people who don't normally find representation in media. It's about giving them a seat at the table. A MINOR inconvenience to everyone else. Let's flip it around. How are YOU harmed by the label change?
once again, ICYMI:
Thing is, even a MtF trans people can pick female. Thats literally what they want to represent, is it not? "I'm a woman, I'm a female", so pick "body type: female".
By Tarage 2025-04-23 16:46:25
Let me know whos civil rights are being taken away by games having "male" and "female" opposed to "type A" and "type B". Once again, it's about trying to INCLUDE a group of people who don't normally find representation in media. It's about giving them a seat at the table. A MINOR inconvenience to everyone else. Let's flip it around. How are YOU harmed by the label change?
once again, ICYMI:
Thing is, even a MtF trans people can pick female. Thats literally what they want to represent, is it not? "I'm a woman, I'm a female", so pick "body type: female". And what about those who don't? What about those who are non binary? Also you ignored my question so I'll state it again. How does changing it from "Male/Female" to "A/B" harm you?
So... I have been increasingly frustrated with new games over years. I feel like so much effort it placed on graphics, lighting, art style, ect and maybe 10% of that effort is placed into gameplay, controls, and story.
My latest purchase was Visions of Mana, which I was pretty excited for. Secret of Mana is in my top 5 all time, I've played Seiken Densetsu 3 translated and while I didn't think it was as good as Secret of Mana, it was still extremely enjoyable. I skipped Trials of Mana since I had already played Seiken Densetsu 3. Vision is just bad. The english voice acting was awful, the characters were bland/generic or just stupid, and I was 3hrs into the game and all I was doing to running 30seconds between CS. Felt like a slightly interactive shitty anime.
Hogwarts Legacy, Visions of Mana, Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield... I felt like all of these super hyped games were absolute duds. Final Fantasy 16 is coming to PC in a few weeks and I'm not sure if I even want to try it anymore. I've heard people say not great things about it.
I know I'm just venting a bit here, but it really sucks being excited for a new game and then the crushing disappointment when it's not fun.
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