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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-09 20:33:06
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AC Shadows was set to release Nov 2024, delayed to Feb 2025, and now delayed again by a month.

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By RadialArcana 2025-01-10 09:04:08
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Square Enix warns that it will be taking action against any behavior determined to be harmful or exceed what is socially acceptable. This means that in response to harassment or unreasonable demands, the company will cease to provide its products and services to offenders. In addition, if a user’s behavior is deemed to be excessive or of malicious intent, Square Enix will take legal action, including criminal proceedings.

The company provides the following examples of customer harassment and socially unacceptable behavior:

Harassment:
Act of violence, violent behavior
Abusive language, intimidation, coercion, duress, excessive pursuit or reprimand
Defamation/slander, denial of a person’s dignity, personal attacks (including email, contact in contact form, comment or post on the internet), advance notice of wrongdoing, advance notice of obstruction of business
Persistent inquiries, repeated visits
Trespassing by visiting or staying in an office or related facility without permission
Unlawful restraint, including via telephone calls and online inquiries
Discriminatory speech and conduct regarding race, ethnicity, religion, family origin, occupation, etc.
Infringement of privacy by taking pictures or making video recordings without consent
Sexual harassment, stalking, repeated stalking behavior

Undue demand:
Unreasonable demands for changes or exchange of product, or unreasonable requests for monetary compensation
Unreasonable demands for responses or apologies (including face-to-face responses or requests for an apology from an employee in a specific job position)
Excessive requests for the provision of products and services exceeding socially accepted norms
Unreasonable and excessive demands for punishment of our employees


This is how you know Square Enix are alienating their fanbase, the only reason this would be happening is because they are mad at you in the first place. Fromsoft don't need to do this.

This kind of feels like it's being aimed at FF14 players to me, maybe I'm wrong though.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/square-enix-shares-new-policy-against-harassment-of-their-employees-and-executives/
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By Viciouss 2025-01-10 09:20:11
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Welcome to the real world, RA, where every company has a ToS. Pretty much every online game requires you to agree before playing.
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By Shichishito 2025-01-10 17:31:57
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Tekken 8, 40% reduced and still want 60 bucks.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-01-11 07:51:28
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-01-11 08:50:12
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Mixed feelings on that; youtubers love to sensationalize things and deep down I expect this policy is not going to actually result in companies suing customers over criticism.

But, if it did, it'd be some dystopian and totally ****ed ***, so probably best to sensationalize it.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-11 10:26:18
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Fujito combing through FFXIAH posts to find whos calling him an idiot to have their XI accounts banned.
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By Afania 2025-01-11 10:32:09
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
But, if it did, it'd be some dystopian and totally ****ed ***,


RadialArcana said: »
Harassment:
Act of violence, violent behavior
Abusive language, intimidation, coercion, duress, excessive pursuit or reprimand
Defamation/slander, denial of a person’s dignity, personal attacks (including email, contact in contact form, comment or post on the internet), advance notice of wrongdoing, advance notice of obstruction of business
Persistent inquiries, repeated visits
Trespassing by visiting or staying in an office or related facility without permission
Unlawful restraint, including via telephone calls and online inquiries

Discriminatory speech and conduct regarding race, ethnicity, religion, family origin, occupation, etc.
Infringement of privacy by taking pictures or making video
recordings without consent
Sexual harassment, stalking, repeated stalking behavior

I can probably agree that from PR perspective it doesn't seem to have a benefit to post this announcement, but from legal perspective it doesn't matter much?

Reading this "policy", pretty much every point are illegal in many countries to begin with. So this policy adds nothing, it's more like an public announcement to me.

Well, except the "Discriminatory speech and conduct regarding race, ethnicity, religion, family origin, occupation" part. I don't know if there are any country law that says discrimination is illegal. So even if someone discriminate against people you probably can't take legal actions I think?

For everything else like violence, sexual harassment or defamation, any entity are entitled to take legal actions for breaking the law. It doesn't matter if your role is an individual, a mega corp or a customer. You break the law, you face legal actions. Being a customer shouldn't shield them from legal actions for committing crimes.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-11 10:37:37
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There are definitely discrimination laws in any first world country (they dont apply if the victim is white, but thats another story)
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2025-01-11 11:54:36
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
Mixed feelings on that; youtubers love to sensationalize things and deep down I expect this policy is not going to actually result in companies suing customers over criticism.

But, if it did, it'd be some dystopian and totally ****ed ***, so probably best to sensationalize it.
Do we have any idea as to why SE decided to release such policy? Any recent incidents?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-01-11 12:06:57
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Besides the entire war being waged right now about DEI....?

If you're a rational, reasonable person, you may not realize just how intense the topic is.
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By RadialArcana 2025-01-11 12:32:25
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XIV players are extremely upset about the current state of their game, and Yoshida has gone out of his way to create a very unhealthy parasocial relationship with his players.

When they were happy this wasn't a problem. Now they are upset, a small minority of them think they can bother the team and him in any way they can find to do so and don't know when to stop.

There was also a huge amount of drama over a voice actor they picked.

Square are sloppy, and made a general statement that everyone took as being aimed at them when it was actually aimed at a specific group (xiv players).

https://www.vice.com/en/article/square-enix-threatens-legal-action-against-harassment-because-final-fantasy-xiv-players-cant-be-normal/
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-01-11 12:57:17
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So much for that "best community" horseshit
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By Afania 2025-01-11 13:02:02
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Besides the entire war being waged right now about DEI....?

If you're a rational, reasonable person, you may not realize just how intense the topic is.


I realized how intense this topic is, and how it negatively impacted the industry as a whole. The criticism goes to both sides who are responsible for starting this war.

When SH2 was out I tried to search for reviews or discussion about the game, except 90% of the SH2 topics that I clicked on are people shitting on DEI and face model. If someone tried to say they like the game they are quickly being harassed and labeled as filthy "DEI supporters" that's responsible for the growth of DEI influence.

Which effectively silenced actual positive relevant reviews.

Those kind of irrelevant DEI discussion took away all our limited attention and traffic on legit game discussions. Now it takes longer to receive or search for legit game related discussion in the gaming community because of politics.

Nevermind the fact that people who worked on games got harassed and witched hunted if they post left wing content on their social media. It's already bad enough to get harassed for making a game that people dislike, it's worse to be harassed for having a political opinion in private space.

So I really don't mind SE getting tough to protect their employees after seeing all the ***going on. Idk IF that'll lead to SE rejecting legit game design related critism like that YouTube video said though. Only time will tell.

Edit: Also, SE has been slow at receiving customer feedback for years, way before this announcement was made. So if SE sucks at receiving critism, it's probably not one announcement's fault.
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By Shichishito 2025-01-11 13:30:19
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Guys, can someone please write out the abriviation DEI? I'm still sore from trying to cure my tisms with CBT.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-11 13:32:55
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Of course brotha, i got you. It stands for:
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2025-01-11 14:46:44
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Afania said: »
So I really don't mind SE getting tough to protect their employees after seeing all the ***going on.
I definitely agree with this. If what prompted SE to announce their policy was harassment gone too far (to the point of death threats) then I can't blame SE.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-01-11 15:02:44
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Shichishito said: »
Guys, can someone please write out the abriviation DEI? I'm still sore from trying to cure my tisms with CBT.
You need TLDs like LSD, DMT or THC. But remember STP goes in the car.
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By Pantafernando 2025-01-11 15:08:11
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Can you eauip store TP in a car?

But thats... thats... thats too broken!
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By Shichishito 2025-01-11 16:13:04
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Don't WS behind the SW!
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By Zehira 2025-01-11 19:56:31
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Not a bad idea, SE. White knights can just rest.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2025-01-11 21:03:34
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Shichishito said: »
Guys, can someone please write out the abriviation DEI? I'm still sore from trying to cure my tisms with CBT.
You need TLDs like LSD, DMT or THC. But remember STP goes in the car.
And DMSO to use with all of it!
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By Kaffy 2025-01-19 13:10:27
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/01/18/genshin-impact-must-pay-20-million-for-misleading-players-about-gacha-spending/

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The changes are…somewhat minimal. And the fine is paltry. Genshin Imapct made $1 billion in its first six months on mobile alone. For a while, it was making a billion dollars every six months without fail, making it one of the most successful mobile games in history. Its least-profitable year was 2024 where it “only” made $710 million. So, $20 million is nothing. This is also not a class-action settlement meaning money will go to players, it’s simply a fine.

At first it sounds good if you hate gacha (I do), but is basically a slap on the wrists. Worst thing that ever happened to gaming but with those kinds of profits they'd be crazy to quit.
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By Kaffy 2025-01-19 17:52:11
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For the lovers and haters of all things woke, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 has a homosexual romance option, and a black character. But also, lots of titties, so something for everyone?
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By Carbuncle.Waterdust 2025-01-19 18:37:46
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I only saw the title of this thread, just gonna add.. whoever it was.. no it's not just you all the modern games suck 95% of the time. An even remakes don't stay true to what was.
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Kaffy said: »
For the lovers and haters of all things woke, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 has a homosexual romance option, and a black character. But also, lots of titties, so something for everyone?
Can you be black and gay? What if I want to be trans and Indian? This doesn't sound inclusive enough to me.
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By Carbuncle.Waterdust 2025-01-19 23:16:35
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Everyone can't have everything perfectly simultaneously. What're you expecting?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-23 10:20:11
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Aaaand this is what daddy was waiting for.

https://ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Electronic-Arts-Pre-Announces-Preliminary-Q3-FY25-Results/default.aspx

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Separately, Dragon Age engaged approximately 1.5 million players during the quarter, down nearly 50% from the company’s expectations.
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“ During Q3, we continued to deliver high-quality games and experiences across our portfolio; however, Dragon Age and EA SPORTS FC 25 underperformed our net bookings expectations,” said Andrew Wilson, CEO of EA.

kek
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-23 10:22:00
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And I can already see it now
"but 1.5 million is what Stellar Blade did".

Yeah, Stellar Blade was released on a single platform and was not a 15 year old established IP, cope harder.
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By Afania 2025-01-23 13:31:40
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Aaaand this is what daddy was waiting for.

Aaaaand my sales prediction is totally correct!

Afania said: »
For a DA game, I think the more realistic sales estimate is 1-3m within 1 year.

On 11/8

Afania said: »
Add sales from other platforms it should be pretty damn close to 1m at least

Pretty much debunked whoever claimed using reviews as a sales estimate model can't be accurate.

Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
was not a 15 year old established IP,


Doesn't matter, it's 2025, the influence of IP has declined, what matters is the quality and review score, if it gets Chinese market and the genre. It's not like FF7 rebirth/FF16 broke the 2-3m barrier despite those are even stronger IP than Dragon Age.

Nor Metaphor ReFantazio, a new IP but pretty much advertise as the next Persona game.

DAV is a 7/10 rpg according to reviewers, if 9/10 rpg like FF7 rebirth or Metaphor sold that many copies, what makes you think 7/10 game would perform any better?
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