COR/DRK

I just put my TP/WS sets for Leaden into the Izanami DPS calculator and it said Path B did more DPS, more WS damage, and higher WS damage.

Edit: whoops, I had COR/DRK but dual wielding. Fixed screenshots with COR/NIN. Path B still ahead.

Top is path B, bottom path A

I just put my TP/WS sets for Leaden into the Izanami DPS calculator and it said Path B did more DPS, more WS damage, and higher WS damage.

This is just math, anyone can just plug in the numbers and figure out the amount of TP you will gain per round on average in both sets.

What makes you think that 25% of BASE TP would be worth more than 100% more TP every other round, calculated after all the other STP on your gear?

When you're meleeing for like...50 damage per hit (because of the massive PDT elementals have) the 50% chance to do double damage on your auto-attacks is 100% irrelevant. They die from WS and SC, not from your auto-attacks doing DOUBLE their 2-digit damage.

Here are some numbers, guess which one is better:
TP from meleeing with no STP gear on: 63
No STP gear, but STP Rostam: 78
STP gear and MA Rostam: 114
STP gear and STP Rostam: 130

Which do you think is better, 130 TP/hit, or 50% chance to get 114 TP and 50% chance to get 228 TP? I'll give you a hint, (114+228)/2 = 171

edit: I see you said you're triple shotting. If you're using triple shot obviously STP is better, but that's only for a minute so once that wears off, it's 100% undeniably better for a meleeing COR to use path B Rostam.

Here's the math with your set (I corrected the TA/DA numbers). 20% TA, 22% DA, 60 STP means:

100 TP/hit
20% chance of triple attack (300 TP)
~17.6% chance of double attack (200 TP)
62.4% chance of single hit (100 TP)
Average TP/round (no Rostam): 158~

STP Rostam:

116 TP/hit
20% chance of triple attack (348 TP)
~17.6% chance of double attack (232 TP)
62.4% chance of single hit (116 TP)
Average TP/round: 183~

MA Rostam:

100 TP/hit
10% chance of triple attack+FUA (400 TP)
10% chance of triple attack (300 TP)
~8.8% chance of double attack+FUA (300 TP)
~8.8% chance of double attack (200 TP)
31.2% chance of single hit+FUA (200 TP)
31.2% chance of single hit (100 TP)
Average TP/round: 208~

+25 STP all the time is better than a 50% chance at a follow-up attack, especially when the offhand dagger and the rest of my set already has Triple and Quad attack

50% chance at follow up attack does NOT necessitate a definitive 50% of the time (i.e., if you flip a coin, you have a 50/50 chance of it landing on heads, but it can still land on heads every single time). I would rather know that all my hits will have STP +25 than know that I might get a follow-up attack with no added TP bonus to any of the hits.

Galkapryme nonsense

I just put my TP/WS sets for Leaden into the Izanami DPS calculator and it said Path B did more DPS, more WS damage, and higher WS damage.

Edit: whoops, I had COR/DRK but dual wielding. Fixed screenshots with COR/NIN. Path B still ahead.

Top is path B, bottom path A




Bonus, path B then path A with Nusku Shield and COR/DRK:

We all know you don't like to math from the DRG "BiS" sets you made and tested with 0 attack buffs.

Path B will always be better than Path A when meleeing for TP.

I find your stance on TP sets extremely confusing Galka.



You insist that you love TA/QA/DA in your equip set, but then talk about how you don't like the "randomness" of a 50% effect. It's quite odd. You swap in shitloads of adhemar, Samnuha, etc. for the multi-attack, then say you prefer STP because it's consistent. Why don't you prefer Malignance and empyrean pants over the Adhemar and Samnuha, since they only provide a random % chance of getting a multi-attack hit? You could "roll" only single hits with all that MA and then it would be useless, but the Malignance would give guaranteed TP.

What are you using to display those sets? I've never seen "Copy sets to input tab" or "Copy Sets to clipboard"?

I'm fully buffed when doing elementals with my Sortie static. [b}Path A gets TP ever so slightly faster[/b]. The difference, I would say, is probably negligible given how quickly they die. And I take the admonishment for needing to go back to finish DRG set. That said, I stand by Gae Buide.

they just use OA 50

feels

That said, I also include X-hit gear. In that one slot (the dagger in question), given all the other gear and buffs, STP just fares better on elementals than Path A.

Huh? STP is Path-A.
Anyways, I think fastest way to get Shard B cleared is probably going to be a combination of Triple Shot in full TA/STP set with SAM roll and Quick Draw to pull. Elementals stop to cast when you aggro them, so you lose time running in and engaging them or waiting for them to run to you. You can easily kill one elemental, QD another, RA > Leaden > RA > Leaden > RA Leaden or whatever. You get TP so fast that your melee swings don't really matter. You can time it so you do both (swings and shooting), but even not engaging, with the right set, you get instant TP from the right Triple Shot set and can be done faster than the timer on Triple Shot.

I regularly do eles with no DP or STP Rostram (using roll Rostram+Gleti's, /DNC with +21 DW so no samba needed, SAM roll+Wiz roll)... and do it quick enough that I'm not last to be at D (DHABCGEF route). Why argue over which to use when none are needed?

Because the discussion isn't about what's needed to clear a specific content, but it is about min maxing one specific job in terms of gear choices. COR/DRK in sortie isn't the only time that COR single wield and path A v.s B discussion is relevant even in dual wield situations.

Min maxing is part of fun and gameplay in FFXI, and coming from someone who tried to argue "ideal" setup in seg runs it's kinda weird that you have problem with other people playing the min maxing game in FFXI now.

Because the discussion isn't about what's needed to clear a specific content, but it is about min maxing one specific job in terms of gear choices. COR/DRK in sortie isn't the only time that COR single wield and path A v.s B discussion is relevant even in dual wield situations.

Min maxing is part of fun and gameplay in FFXI, and coming from someone who tried to argue "ideal" setup in seg runs it's kinda weird that you have problem with other people playing the min maxing game in FFXI now.

I'd also say using WAR over DNC when pretty much all DD players have WAR already isn't comparable to spending 160M++ on multiple daggers to tp minimally faster when you can TP sufficiently quick enough without either. One is a no effort win:win, the other is literally pointless.

I mean there are players out there doing speed run videos and celebrate like they won a lottery when they clear a game 1 sec faster than they previous record.

Yeah, that's called being autistic.