Wing Of War Master Trial

According to the devs, this is the hardest of the tVR Master Trials added to the game. Here's a thread for it in case someone starts testing this fight before the first Oathsworn Blade clear.

You can tell people are really excited about this one due to how busy this thread is.

Twice the reskinned dragons, twice the reskinned fetters?

Make new friends, but keep the old~

One is silver, but the other's gold~

Make new friends, but keep the old~

Where did we go wrong?!

WE USED TO GO BOWLING!!!! BOWLLLLIIINNNG~~~~

Ok, ok. It's not an Eve 6 reference at all, but I couldn't resist.

Gonna be annoying AF for Chaos to be Dispelgaing all our ***while Bahamut is Teraflaring all our ***.

Gotta also assume they're gonna be calling in pretty much every variant of all the other large wyrms, wvyverns, etc. throughout the battle on top of that too.

Tiamat better fly up and players be unable to melee him.

Everyone has to bring Ullrs and Racc setups, yeehaw

My RDM has been waiting for this moment since Ambuscade was released!

I laughed out loud.

Everyone I've been in touch with whose interested in clearing these fights are still currently working on Oathsworn Blade.

Here's the first video I've seen on this MT. The encounter starts at 1:41:00.

When you link a vid from Youtube, make sure it's the standard video link from the video as it will be after the livestream ends. The sites BBC encoding is kind of old, so it'll only take links that have the standardized watch?v=JKxlVNMrH-A after the https://www.youtube.com/

:) Got your back though.

Thank you!

I lol'd. That's a long *** video man, cant you use words to explain how they failed?

That PLD could have lasted 5 eva, the rest perhaps not so much.

Their HP reached 0 before the enemy's. DuH!

Here is a poorly translated write up that the player in the video above made for this Master Trial. Nothing ground breaking but hopefully someone finds it useful.


Original Write-Up:
https://leaguemili-com.translate.goog/blog-entry-3338.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Tried this a bit and came to the same conclusion as everyone else so far, it's not beatable without discovering some hidden mechanic that nobody has observed yet.

A few observations we made:

- One tank can tank both of them, but will take a lot of damage. For RUN, parrying helps a lot and Battuta gives great reprieves from incoming damage. PLD seems the better choice (Burtgang+Aegis, or possibly Duban if upgraded enough) as they can self heal more reliably due to MP recovery from their JSE, although they also took more spike damage including one time when they took over 2k from a single attack. A RUN that can Magic Fruit might be similarly effective, but as a RUN/SCH even with Tenebrae runes popping pulse every 60s, I was constantly out of MP from curing myself and from having my MP taken. That said, I wasn't using RUN Empy body so that may provide more adequate MP recovery compared to Adamantite, and regardless with a little healing support from the group I was able to survive just fine on RUN/SCH so I think both options may be viable if they can hold hate (we didn't fight the full 60 mins, just lots of little 10-15 minute test runs).

- Both tanks take a lot of damage and are constantly dispelled to the point that rebuffing is mostly pointless beyond maybe Phalanx and/or Cocoon.

- Chaos seems to really like Swooping Assault, a 20' AOE which does almost 1k to an Epeo RUN, even more to a Burtgang PLD, and can one-shot everyone else. I suspect this move alone takes melee setups out of the running, nevermind the dispelga spam.

- Several dispel moves are greater than 20' AOE. There are also several 20' AOE damaging moves, including some that I believe are centered on the tank. For positioning we had our tank take the wyrms to the side of the staircase in the back of the arena and wedge sideways in there with their back against the stairway. This allowed someone to heal the tank while being 20+ from both of the wyrms and the tank which allowed them to avoid all moves except the 25' dispels. The ranged attackers were able to hit the wyrms from 25' away and avoid all moves including dispels. It's possible for a GEO to stand within healing range of the tank at about 20.5, be out of range of everything except dispels, and still be within range that their Indi bubble will hit the ranged attackers that are standing further back at 25. (Bubble range is normally 6 so it requires careful positioning for everyone.) This positioning worked well for us because the tank does sometimes get terrored/petrified/etc and need some help from a healer. We generally had the BRD/WHM doing this duty while the GEO stood back by the ranged attackers to avoid losing their Indi bubble, then when BRD had to re-sing, the GEO would move up carefully and cover healing until the BRD was done. Between the BRD and GEO, one of the two always had to be ready to heal the tank in a pinch.

- Chaos definitely takes significantly increased damage from prime weapons which isn't surprising. It also seemed like Bahamut took reduced damage from prime weapons. This included things like nukes, stage 5 Opashoro nuked significantly harder than R30 Bunzi's Rod on Chaos, and seemed weaker than Bunzi's on Bahamut. We didn't test this extensively so I'm not super confident on this point, we were more focused on trying to find an elemental weakness and failed at that as well. Magic damage in general just doesn't seem like the way to go. Kaustra did land for 19k on Chaos without Rayke/Gambit/etc so I wouldn't totally rule this out, but it didn't look feasible. If there is an elemental weakness, it's probably a shifting one that doesn't stay the same for very long.

- Speaking of shifting, the wyrms seem to have modes, possibly tied to element. I once got petrified 4 times in about 60 seconds, and outside of that I think I was only petrified one other time in all our attempts. They also seem to go through bursts of casting lots of nukes and going hard, then calming down for a time. It could be this fight requires responding to their behavior in specific ways.

- Debuffs are all very hard to stick the first time, let alone subsequent casts, and Chaos was observed removing debuffs from himself fairly quickly. Keeping Distract up didn't seem feasible.

- Separating them with 2 tanks had no noticeable effect on the fight from what we could see.

Their main master trial mechanics lately seem to be requiring enormous numbers of buffs and also having aoe dispels that take away those buffs constantly. Very fun

Thank you for this write up! I don't know how relevant this will wind up being, but here are some notes about the original battlefields for these two:

In the tVR fight, Chaos pops benediction when his health hits 20% iirc. At some point he also get's damage reduction for the duration that his fetors are alive.

Bahamut in his BCNM summoned wyrms at every 20% of his HP. If I had to guess, it will be 'Oathsworn Blade-esque', he'll get DT. Does Bahamut start the battle out with auto-regen?

So Bahamut does get DT. The furthest we took Bahamut was like 56% but became unfeasible to take him further. After he Invincibled he seemingly gained -50% PDT and after he Elemental Sforzo'd he took what looks like -50% MDT and after using both he pretty much was taking below 10k WSs since no 1 hours.

This fight straight up is better than Oathsworn and seems more doable to beat. The only real thing stopping this fight from being beat is the question "how do we remove/prevent Bahamut's DT?"

Both Chaos and Bahamut have 18.5M HP each
Chaos did use Benediction which was a bit of a *** you, but unlucko.

To further elaborate on what Pergatory said:Oppresive Yawp is a 25" full dispel and self cleanse used by Chaos centered around the tank making tank positioning important.
Chaos has access to Pellucid Surge around sub 50% which seems to be a hybrid 21"+ AoE

Bahamut has a 20"? Horrible roar - 4 buff dispel paired with aoe dispelga spell.

Chaos drains MP with Seeping Dread pairing with full dispels means maintaing MP hard - roughly 370~ MP per usage being drained.

Chaos gets access to Tenebrous and Luminous Surge around 70%~ and below, just AoE 20" light/dark based AoE.

Maybe have to balance their HP like Ying Yang?

we tried, we took both to 60% and same thing happened. doesn't matter

Did Chaos gain -DT?

Maybe gotta kill the medic hardcore? He's gotta be the medic right? Unless they also gave Bahamut 30k Cure VIs and such.

At what phase in the fight does Chaos use Shinryu as a surfboard to run all over the arena while Bahamut suplexs a phantom train into the middle of your party?

With the recent clear on Oathsworn Blade, I'm now reaching out again to players who are proging or testing Wing of War.

I've been in touch with several bigger name content creators and community members in the FFXIV community and broader FF franchise who mentioned being interested in covering FFXI's world first / proging community. No promises on whether they'll cover it or not, but I'd like to contact as many people working on Wing of War as I can to better track the prog.

Whether you're simply testing things in the fight, or you're in a static going for world first, feel free to message me about what you're experience with the encounter has been. Share as much or as little as your group feels comfortable sharing.

We are currently testing things, but the holidays have slowed things down as people wanted to take a break after Oathsworn Blade. We will be going full throttle soon.

I’ve learned some interesting things that may be relevant to the “intended strat” BigT was talking about for Oathsworn Blade and perhaps Wing of War. After having conversations with several players who have experience clearing the older RoV master trials, certain things sound strangely familiar. Quick disclaimer, all of the info I’m sharing is info that has either publicly been stated or I’ve gotten permission to share. There are a couple things I would have added about the mechanics, but a couple of groups in prog want to test some things before giving any permission to share.



I’m getting ready to interview someone later about Black and White, but from the write ups, the two special mechanics in that encounter are both “Kill Order Mechanics”. Valkyries → Avatars, Alexander → Odin, and Odin → Alexander all result in a change of the encounter. These changes essentially shaped the strats and the “phases” of the encounter to make it doable.

Similarly, the fight structure and mechanics utilized in Crystal Paradise were very similar. 2 big bosses, nine or ten lesser mobs, depending on the MT. And the mechanic in CP was also a Kill Order Mechanic, though it worked differently. Rather than granting or removing status effects/abilities depending on the kill order, killing the AAs increased Kam’lanaut’s level, and killing the orbitals increased Eald’narche’s level. So it seems that CP’s MT mechanic is a modified version of BW’s mechanic. Perhaps this is a coincidence, but I wanted to run it by real players to see what you all think.



If the VR master trials are tweaking the RoV encounter structures and mechanics, Oathsworn Blade doesn’t at all seem similar to Unafraid of the Dark. That is until I talked to Mischief about his experience in UotD prog.

I’ll post more details regarding OB on the OB thread for the sake of the groups working on that fight. But suffice it to say, there MIGHT be an easier way of clearing that fight. This isn’t anything BigT has denied either, but there are a lot of similarities between UotD and OB. In UotD, the main mechanic was the auras of the adds. To deal with the auras, all three physical damage types were needed. In OB, all the adds also have auras, and someone on BigT’s group pointed out an animation that reminds players of the element of each add. Perhaps, their auras could be dealt with using the right magical element? Here’s a link to more details:

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58132/oathsworn-blade-master-trial-cleared/6/#3731634



Finally, Sealed Fate’s main mechanic was a “Balance Mechanic”. Interestingly enough, from what research me and u/Krumplefly have been able to do, it seems that the team who first cleared didn’t use Papesse’s SMN strat, but that’s beside the point. It’s clear that Sealed Fate and Wing of War have a similar encounter structure. If the trend holds (which there is no guarantee that it does), there may be something that needs to be balanced between the two mobs, but the mechanic will be modified for WoW. I don’t know what it would be though. Balancing MP or TP feels like a strange demand to make on players, but then again, I’m a bottom-feeder casual here.

Am I full of crap? What are your thoughts?

Just a thought, but evidently Bahamut uses Invincible when receiving primarily/solely physical damage, and then if you switch to primarily/solely magic damage because he gains massive PDT post Invincible, he then uses Elemental Sforzo and thus gaining massive MDT. So perhaps the mechanic is a matter of balancing damage delivered between the two and nothing about his actual HP. May be worth trying an approach where damage delivered isn't all one type but an equal physical/magical damage delivery.

Based on the information out there, this would be my first assumption and what I would try to test first, if I had a crew of people that wanted to anyways lol.

At the moment, Bahamut appears to be the bottleneck in the fight. Unless someone has made a breakthrough that I haven't heard about yet, this sounds like something worth trying.