Is Excalibur Good In 2024?

can you empy +3 hands till u get more acc also

On Leviathan ancient currencies tanked to like 10,000,000 for a 10,000 piece. At that price point, do what you want. Nowadays though prices are like 50,000,000 for a 10,000 piece.

If I recall correctly, Faint (he’s a PLD) uses it for Aminon, and the only job of it is breaking WS wall while doing some dmg (I think he posted something around 500K/nq aminon). So that’s the only goal of it and so might be worth the time/gil for people that do this content. On top of that I don’t think he has ever stated he has enmity issue while doing 6/9 aminon nq/hq. My PLD say it’s trash, he say it’s good, I’ll say worth a try, what do you use Gil for nowadays anyway…

The reason it’s good for Aminon is because it’s strong at 1k TP which you want to be WSing as soon as you hit 1k anyway, and because you’re not gonna be using Savage Blade to wall your COR and/or BRD. At that point it comes down to CDC vs KOR. KOR is more consistent with the added bonus of breaking up WS wall. We have sub 7 6 min HQ Aminon kills so I think that speaks for itself. If you have the Gil and feel like making it, go for it. At R15 you can make some fun/gimmicky shield block sets with it as well.

To buy crepuscular items of course!

I don't see any sword beating Excal on Aminon and since thats a large portion of endgame content for a PLD I'd say its worth it. Our best HM kill time is sub 6min Luna :p

Here are my KoR stats. ML50 PLD/RUN in Norg. Nyame r25.

That's amazing. Our group has only started doing Aminon this month and we got it down from 32 minutes to 18 minutes. I think we're just unsure how to quantify the risk of "Aminon is about to do a TP move".

When we see Absorbs for ~350, we basically hold back. But, as the Dancer with a Stage 4 dagger, I'm not sure what else we can do to improve the timing. We're only focused the Mesos for our HM Aminon runs, but if we get ~50-60k Galli, we're happy. Once we have our first Stage 5's, it will likely be faster.

I can confirm, this is 100% shield block rate with Phalanx and Reprisal, against up to ILVL 149 mobs. I haven't updated this set since ML20, so I'm certain it could benefit from some adjustments since ML50 PLDs get +30 more Shield Shill, so I bet those pieces can be removed or replaced. It might even be possible to replace Excalibur with Burtgang with the Chance of Shield Block+10 can be made up elsewhere.

Are you guys using the standard Aminon setup? Casting absorb tp on cooldown? Everyone in ideal regain idle sets? Crooked tacticians + misers?

Yup, PLD, BRD, DNC, RDM, COR, GEO, etc etc.

Don't listen to Shadoni. When he was geo for aminon he would use Ambuscade club instead of Idris.
Excalibur can help you reach the next objective. 9 boss > mini bosses > WKR.
More tp = need to be better at absorb tp. More chances to fail with your current roster @1 random pickups

Im a fan, the +3 refresh aftermath is actually pretty good for extra refresh to help keep your mana unfucked vs stuff like weakness debuff or "reset mp to 0" *** random fights can throw at you, IIRC a few ambuscades do this stuff.

Going full turtle mode deprives you of many sources of refresh, and there's plenty of fights that peel off your buffs anyways so you might notice refresh isnt reliable.

Being able to spam KOTR helps you keep that refresh up, which in turn can make the difference for being able to keep spamming flash vs not.

If thats the situation you are dealing with, then yeah excalibur is honestly gonna start to feel comfier than burtgang.

Burtgang's fat +enmity loses its luster if you have 0 mana for extended periods of time lol.

Please make a 2025 thread.

Preferably after Limbus if/when there is something new to discuss :P

Alternatively if you're going to use a terrible sword to get refresh: Sakpata's sword (requires augments) has the same refresh without requiring AM, also has DT (not very important), fast cast, VIT, HP, MP.

Moralltach has more refresh (also doesn't require AM), even more HP, MP, cure potency, and DEF.

Aminon.

Excalibur is great for Aminon fights for Pld in 2025.

I summon Skarwind in attack mode.

If u offhand flametongue you can pull some good numbers with it on rdm. High 60k average with crazy buffs. High 60k is good for the SC props it has .. self chains, chains with savage and can double light. I like it for killing bhoot on rdm also as light SCs do a ton in sortie. Its also good for mboze if you are doing RDM method or PLD can use it for that method also.

I'm pretty sure Excalibur will outdps Sakpatas? By a lot?

Maintaining AM on excal is trivial, you dont need AM3

For kiting though that's a different story. But specifically melee dpsing a boss where it's okay if you spam light SCs, KOTR makes double light off savage blade, so if someone in the pt is spamming SB you can just spam KOTR and open light SCs like crazy for them, while also getting 3 tick refresh

I'd be surprised if sakpata comes close to excal's dps.

And, being able to spam an alternate weaponskill very fast at 1k tp helps a lot with avoiding walling.

I maybe be confusing myself due to the grammar here, but are you saying that Moralltach, Excal and Sakpata's Sword are all terrible swords or just terrible when aiming for refresh in that spot specifically?

And if we're talking about refresh in the weapon slot, we could just get DM augments (Refresh+2) on those Gaes Fete swords, but then you'd be losing TP during idle swaps.

I'm saying they're all terrible swords (for PLD tanking), but if you're sacrificing your main hand for refresh, Excalibur would be one of my last choices.

RE: the damage from KOTR, I find it to be extremely unimportant and prefer the threat from Atonement over the 15k damage from KOTR.

It depends a lot on the content, buffs, and who's in your party. I don't find myself sacrificing threat and survivability for my DPS very often, but you do you, boo

Sortie D objective and Aminon I prefer Excal. I’ve hit 515k on PLD a couple times with Excal doing speed kills.

It’s also good for segments. AM plus added DPS.

Are you running OOMP in segments? Isn't naegling just better for DPS than Excalibur in segs? It's not as though there's a WS wall on nostos mobs.

Yeah regen and refresh help with randoms.

With friends I use Burt or Naegling.

I've recommended PLDs use Naegling (since they WS infrequently as-is) and the response was "BUT TEHHH WALLL". I still think whatever bonus damage Savage Blade adds with Naegling even through wall is still better than KoR unwalled. I'm sure if you added both COR+PLD damage to Aminon fight, it would still be higher with Savage x2 vs Kor/Savage split.

In any case, I consider the damage contribution from PLD to be insignificant in the grand scheme and basically inconsequential. Whether they decide to wall each other (it gets broken up shortly anyways) or the PLD just chooses not to WS at all, the difference in kill speed is not so much of a difference that I think demanding Excal-PLDs is the way.

GEO also falls into "insignificant dps" contribution right around ~6~8%, but it's more about adding absorbs to the mix so Aminon doesn't get a move off, so why not WS.

We're bouncing back and forth between aminon and segments which is apparently confusing people.

Obviously Excalibur has a place in Aminon. I'm referring to non-Aminon fights, like dynamis [d], Omen, odyssey gaol, etc. I don't use PLD in segments, but I guess that's on the table too.

For Aminon we have BRD using SB, so putting a third character on SB would be terrible. I've noticed Mordant is a significant drop in BRD damage, so I don't think it's the right call for maximizing the group's damage, especially when PLD has access to better options.

Wall is party wide, the Paladin would be lowering the damage of both the COR and BRD. First by having their WS count as an iteration of Savage Blade, second by not being Not-Savage Blade it doesn't count to reduce Savage Blade's reduction. It's a lot like the nuke wall only on a per-WS basis.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/WS_Wall

I just assumed only COR was SBing and BRD was MRing. Obviously if there are 2 already on SB, don't have the PLD do it.