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FFXI, Horizon, Conflict, Renaissance, and You.
Asura.Natenn
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Posts: 1979
By Asura.Natenn 2023-12-22 19:40:40
“Theres nothing to do in retail”
>> logs into Horizon to spend 6 hours killing beetles in Garlaige to get from lv33 to 35. 6 hours? Were you playing with lab chimps?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 5403
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-22 20:29:47
This mfer bought gil on a F2P private server
By Tarage 2023-12-22 21:41:45
Logged on to retail for free to play, bunch of RMT shouts and nothing to do. Levelling in the dunes with humans on horizon is more fun than multibox botting more ***I don't need on retail.
You're a god damn liar. No one likes leveling in dunes, not even when it was 75 CoP era and you had to. Dunes lowered everyone's IQ by 50 points.
If you honestly enjoy dunes leveling you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Asura.Vyre
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-12-23 09:00:27
Sometimes I used to skip the Dunes and Qufim by leveling on EP stuff in Ghelspa Outpost and Korrolokka Tunnel back in the day.
One time in 2009 I leveled an Elvaan alt's Monk to 25 solely in Ghelsba Outpost all by myself.
As far as Valkurm Dunes goes though...
Lotta party makers back in the day had a real hard on for the, "secret beach." I always preferred the goblins just before it. Or "oasis" or any of the other beaches that weren't off in Timbuktu.
By K123 2023-12-23 10:18:23
Logged on to retail for free to play, bunch of RMT shouts and nothing to do. Levelling in the dunes with humans on horizon is more fun than multibox botting more ***I don't need on retail.
You're a god damn liar. No one likes leveling in dunes, not even when it was 75 CoP era and you had to. Dunes lowered everyone's IQ by 50 points.
If you honestly enjoy dunes leveling you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I made some very good longlasting friends in Valkurm Dunes. People on Horizon mostly played XI so it isn't the sadistic 10mins fighting an IT++ Goblin though.
By K123 2023-12-23 10:19:10
Sometimes I used to skip the Dunes and Qufim by leveling on EP stuff in Ghelspa Outpost and Korrolokka Tunnel back in the day.
One time in 2009 I leveled an Elvaan alt's Monk to 25 solely in Ghelsba Outpost all by myself.
As far as Valkurm Dunes goes though...
Lotta party makers back in the day had a real hard on for the, "secret beach." I always preferred the goblins just before it. Or "oasis" or any of the other beaches that weren't off in Timbuktu. I miss the books for kill x mobs, Horizon should have the books.
By Nariont 2023-12-23 10:30:23
Dunes aint even bad if you go at around level 12 and just keep to high vt low it, and dont touch crabs/pugils unless you have a def down source, git gud etc
Still visual pain though if your brightness is high
By Tarage 2023-12-23 10:32:04
Logged on to retail for free to play, bunch of RMT shouts and nothing to do. Levelling in the dunes with humans on horizon is more fun than multibox botting more ***I don't need on retail.
You're a god damn liar. No one likes leveling in dunes, not even when it was 75 CoP era and you had to. Dunes lowered everyone's IQ by 50 points.
If you honestly enjoy dunes leveling you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I made some very good longlasting friends in Valkurm Dunes. People on Horizon mostly played XI so it isn't the sadistic 10mins fighting an IT++ Goblin though.
Oh but it is a form of masochism playing a 20 year old MMO lacking major QOL updates, especially if it's the exact same ***you were doing 20 years ago. You are just too oblivious to realize.
By Zehira 2023-12-23 10:53:28
Dunes and Qufim are easily skippable. Just do an exp party in Ghelspa Outpost. Can solo all the way to level 30 using the exp ring (good for farming). Or just do the Eco-warrior quest once every week to get 8,000+ exp and 10,000 gil.
Nothing wrong with replaying the same game as you did with other Final Fantasy titles.
By K123 2023-12-23 10:59:48
Logged on to retail for free to play, bunch of RMT shouts and nothing to do. Levelling in the dunes with humans on horizon is more fun than multibox botting more ***I don't need on retail.
You're a god damn liar. No one likes leveling in dunes, not even when it was 75 CoP era and you had to. Dunes lowered everyone's IQ by 50 points.
If you honestly enjoy dunes leveling you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I made some very good longlasting friends in Valkurm Dunes. People on Horizon mostly played XI so it isn't the sadistic 10mins fighting an IT++ Goblin though.
Oh but it is a form of masochism playing a 20 year old MMO lacking major QOL updates, especially if it's the exact same ***you were doing 20 years ago. You are just too oblivious to realize. I realise it is the exact same game, and I like the nostalgia. I'm not insane about it and going for ebody and ridill, but would like to try playing PLD or BLM.
Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-12-23 11:53:51
I realise it is the exact same game
No. it is not the "exact" same game lol.
you had to be there to understand which is why when I read people writing it like that they missed the whole point of the 75 era and what made it fun. the confusion, the JP racism, the long treks, Bradly guide, BG confused player threads, clicking 3 equip macros to swap your gear sets, the randomness of being hit on by someone, Vent crashing mid raid, ps2 freeze when loading into another zone, Someone having media share on their ventrilio getting caught watching porn, LS leaders funneling gear to their In game GFs, RP players long party macros etc etc.
Asura.Vyre
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-12-23 12:02:06
I realise it is the exact same game
No. it is not the "exact" same game lol.
you had to be there to understand which is why when I read people writing it like that they missed the whole point of the 75 era and what made it fun. the confusion, the JP racism, the long treks, Bradly guide, BG confused player threads, clicking 3 equip macros to swap your gear sets, the randomness of being hit on by someone, Vent crashing mid raid, ps2 freeze when loading into another zone, Someone having media share on their ventrilio getting caught watching porn, LS leaders funneling gear to their In game GFs, RP players long party macros etc etc.
So one time in an Endgame shell I joined with my brother after I had slogged through two others (because my first one sorta died but merged before it died completely with KirinTheDestroyers).
This shell had a lot of drama under the surface that only got worse the longer I was in it. The leader's fiancée tried cucking him several times with other officers, and even hit on me in Vent after event was over one night. They were both in their mid 20s and I was 17ish hehe.
A year or two later, I got kicked out of the LS for not being able to go to event cause of college course work. The shell broke up a bit after that, with the leader quitting and saying that everyone in the LS HAD TO QUIT THE GAME! BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FUNCTION WITHOUT HIM!
Then there was the gay BRD that I used to merit with. Always insisting that I had to try being gay, otherwise I wouldn't really know if I was gay or not. lmao
Also my PS2 black screened like 60% of the time, every time in Sea.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-23 12:03:38
A year or two later, I got kicked out of the LS for not being able to go to event cause of college course work. The shell broke up a bit after that, with the leader quitting and saying that everyone in the LS HAD TO QUIT THE GAME! BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FUNCTION WITHOUT HIM!
Then there was the gay BRD that I used to merit with. Always insisting that I had to try being gay, otherwise I wouldn't really know if I was gay or not. lmao
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Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-12-23 12:14:03
Then there was the gay BRD that I used to merit with. Always insisting that I had to try being gay, otherwise I wouldn't really know if I was gay or not. lmao
Was PLing a friend and someone in the group just kept talking to me thanking me every second of the hour saying how thankful he was and he was single. I asked why would he think I was gay and he said because I played a mage...
By K123 2023-12-23 13:13:54
I realise it is the exact same game
No. it is not the "exact" same game lol.
you had to be there to understand which is why when I read people writing it like that they missed the whole point of the 75 era and what made it fun. the confusion, the JP racism, the long treks, Bradly guide, BG confused player threads, clicking 3 equip macros to swap your gear sets, the randomness of being hit on by someone, Vent crashing mid raid, ps2 freeze when loading into another zone, Someone having media share on their ventrilio getting caught watching porn, LS leaders funneling gear to their In game GFs, RP players long party macros etc etc. I bought the game in 2004 and started in 2005. I was there.
Did not play on PS2.
Bismarck.Stephenjd
Server: Bismarck
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Posts: 227
By Bismarck.Stephenjd 2023-12-23 17:23:00
Interesting comment on your character page on here, K123
"this guy is an elitist piece of ***"
Hehe
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-23 17:48:23
Was PLing a friend and someone in the group just kept talking to me thanking me every second of the hour saying how thankful he was and he was single. I asked why would he think I was gay and he said because I played a mage... Maybe thats why you cant beat the tree. Your straight mages just arent qualified enough to be a good at their jobs, try replacing all your mages with gay ones.
By K123 2023-12-24 02:52:24
Bismarck.Stephenjd said: »Interesting comment on your character page on here, K123
"this guy is an elitist piece of ***"
Hehe From a character on another server that I've never heard of. Either has the wrong person or is some weirdo.
By Sgtsalt 2023-12-24 07:02:27
I realise it is the exact same game
No. it is not the "exact" same game lol.
you had to be there to understand which is why when I read people writing it like that they missed the whole point of the 75 era and what made it fun. the confusion, the JP racism, the long treks, Bradly guide, BG confused player threads, clicking 3 equip macros to swap your gear sets, the randomness of being hit on by someone, Vent crashing mid raid, ps2 freeze when loading into another zone, Someone having media share on their ventrilio getting caught watching porn, LS leaders funneling gear to their In game GFs, RP players long party macros etc etc.
Funny, because the things I enjoy about Horizon are that it's the old-school spirit of the game ("endgame starts at level 1" and "the journey is the destination") without any of that annoying ***. I also was there in 2005 - 2009.
By Tarage 2023-12-24 07:03:13
I realise it is the exact same game
No. it is not the "exact" same game lol.
you had to be there to understand which is why when I read people writing it like that they missed the whole point of the 75 era and what made it fun. the confusion, the JP racism, the long treks, Bradly guide, BG confused player threads, clicking 3 equip macros to swap your gear sets, the randomness of being hit on by someone, Vent crashing mid raid, ps2 freeze when loading into another zone, Someone having media share on their ventrilio getting caught watching porn, LS leaders funneling gear to their In game GFs, RP players long party macros etc etc. I bought the game in 2004 and started in 2005. I was there.
Did not play on PS2. So you're an extreme masochist. Got it. Posting here must be getting you off with how many people think you're a blithering idiot. ***, did I just give you a ***? Dammit.
Funny, because the things I enjoy about Horizon are that it's the old-school spirit of the game ("endgame starts at level 1" and "the journey is the destination") without any of that annoying ***. I also was there in 2005 - 2009. This is some grade A cope right here. As if smacking mobs at level 10 where you only have a handful of skills is "endgame". Oh man, that dude just unlocked provoke! He's really deep into it now!
Someone get this asshat that boost macro meme.
EDIT: Okay, I'm amused that b-o-n-e-r gets censored but asshat is totally okay.
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By GetHelpNerd 2023-12-24 07:45:28
tarage makes every single somewhat crazy person on this forum look relatively normal.
that's how you really know what unhinged looks like
Asura.Vyre
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-12-24 09:39:30
game recognize game, as they say Holy ***LMFAO
By GetHelpNerd 2023-12-24 09:48:03
game recognize game, as they say indeed, thus my statement it makes everyone else that's crazy here look relatively normal. that was indeed the point of the post. astute.
while we've got a mod here, none of these threads really deserved a lock except for this one.
i'd like it explained to me how someone can create a forum account tied to a lvl 1 mule, set their location to japan, set their avatar and name to a dead japanese sumo wrestler, speak perfect english and post a fan-fic novel and people just gobble it up..? this thread was clearly a troll or someone at draylo levels of needing to simp
looks like this is who he is, no idea if it's relevant or not
https://www.ffxiah.com/player/Odin/Nokken
Asura.Rekcuf
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 219
By Asura.Rekcuf 2023-12-24 11:09:36
I always thought it was funny how people would give others ***for buying gil. It's like how in old BG, we would swear up and down that we weren't cheating at HNMs but we 100% were haha As soon as I joined the ls someone sent me a file and was like "this is the bot we use." Deny doing it while actually doing it. Adding a note that I never cheated on a private server though and reported my own members when I caught them cheating. For whatever reason, RMTing and botting just seems way worse on a PS than on retail, maybe due to the much smaller community.
Buying gil or botting is against the ToS of playing the game (these are also rampant on private servers), playing on a private server is literally theft and is similar to stealing cable or downloading a torrent for Elden Ring. You're playing a game that requires a monthly fee to play, you're stealing from the company that made it and runs it. You and others perform mental gymnastics to justify what you do, just as someone that is poor justifies smashing your car window to steal stuff from your car but you're still stealing.
Companies close games as a service down all the time, so if you have a company that is keeping a 20 year old game running and paying wages of the staff to do so, it's completely unacceptable to just steal it cause you wanna.
This whole normalization of private servers of a live game that has gone on is disgraceful honestly.
if you think FFXI Retail has it bad
Look at this
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By Nariont 2023-12-24 12:26:00
id imagine 14 has some similar/equally stupid examples, just people with money to drop and a dev team that doesnt care about the issue enough since it still makes them money
By Tarage 2023-12-24 13:29:25
game recognize game, as they say indeed, thus my statement it makes everyone else that's crazy here look relatively normal. that was indeed the point of the post. astute.
while we've got a mod here, none of these threads really deserved a lock except for this one.
i'd like it explained to me how someone can create a forum account tied to a lvl 1 mule, set their location to japan, set their avatar and name to a dead japanese sumo wrestler, speak perfect english and post a fan-fic novel and people just gobble it up..? this thread was clearly a troll or someone at draylo levels of needing to simp
looks like this is who he is, no idea if it's relevant or not
https://www.ffxiah.com/player/Odin/NokkenHuff less paint. Or more. Whatever gets you to shut the hell up quicker.
By Zehira 2023-12-24 14:58:29
id imagine 14 has some similar/equally stupid examples, just people with money to drop and a dev team that doesnt care about the issue enough since it still makes them money
Right? RMT/bots still exist there anyway. The community team is taking a trip to the sunny beaches for vacation. They won't be available until Jan 2. They wished the XIV community happy holidays while ignoring the XI community.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to yall FFXIAH community.
By K123 2023-12-24 14:59:48
So you're an extreme masochist. Got it. Posting here must be getting you off with how many people think you're a blithering idiot. ***, did I just give you a ***? Dammit. No, I just enjoy a challenge. I've probably played 15 hours total so far, but I enjoyed it more than FFXI recently.
I've played the original versions of the old FF games (1-6) many times (not the easy mode remakes), and that's pretty sadistic. Also much prefer the final fantasy tactics on psp to the new one on switch, even though it requires harder grinding. I've put 100s of hours into Triangle Strategy and other masochistic endeavours for the challenge too.
Bismarck.Stephenjd
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By Bismarck.Stephenjd 2023-12-24 15:10:07
Horizon is not a challenge, it's tedious grinding. Something you can easily do in retail.
I live again!!!
I used to play FF11, so did my SO. But that was long ago~
We’ve been playing FF14 for several years now with another couple, and a handful of family members and mutual friends. Every one of them has a prior history with the final fantasy franchise as a whole, though from different generations. In our banter at one time or another everyone has expressed a curiosity for FF11 which they had heard was both a masterpiece in its own right, as well as a rather daunting and at times a crushing experience. There is also a perception of boring gameplay (somehow the classic ‘I hit you, you hit me, then I hit you again’ RPG gameplay loop just isn’t doing it for em. Spoiled). Sadly, I corroborated this for them and helped to solidify that opinion. I’m sure many similar conversations have been had from former players of FF11 to curious people of a younger gaming generation about FF11 in its early iterations. I suspect this mentality and perspective is a factor in people seeking out private servers. It certainly was in the case of my group.
After Yoshi P announced the upcoming raid with ties to FF11, each of the people in our group became instantly interested in playing the game. Our messiah Yoshi Pesus had spoken. Everyone asked me, with clear apprehension "how should we go about it?? What do we have to do to experience the story and clear the 'main content'"? Initially I facepalmed and rolled my eyes, but I also figured I too would like to see the close of the FF11 story I never completed. As the pied piper considering getting ready to lead his flock into the fucking dunes, I started to dread the learning curve everyone was going to hit more or less immediately upon login.
To counter that, I figured a private server would likely be the way to go. Presumably, we could just “godmode” or something and stomp our way through all the bullshit, speed/position hack and see the story as painlessly as possible. Well not quite. It turns out I knew nothing about private servers, and it turns out “godmode” is the trust system and other QOL and travel adjustments they made to retail over the years. But let me back up for a second. In researching options for private servers I found out a lot of concerning information about private servers, and the general lack of options (WIP pet projects). All of it covered in the other threads, ranging from leadership concerns, to absolutely stupid changes to the game itself (e.g. THF changes), and a butchered soundtrack. The final nail in the coffin really being that if you want to see the full story it’s going to have to be on retail. But even without story as a consideration, after researching enough about Horizon and other private servers it’s become a no brainer for the group. Fuck it, just play retail. Turns out that was a great decision.
The learning curve for everyone is still steep, but there are guides. Everyone has been enjoying it so far, they love the story, they enjoy the simplified “zen” of exp grinding (which I bitter-sweetly remind them is “not as painful as it used to be”). They’re around lvl 70 now, starting on CoP, finished Nation rank ups, and the Zilart missions. They suck, every new moment is a challenge for them. It’s been a blast.
Now, none of this would have happened within my group without Yoshi P giving FF11 a major publicity bump by attaching it to FF14. I suspect that’s a significant factor going on for Horizons success. Just lucky with great timing. FF11 got the Yoshi P bump, but FF11 has a sort of infamy to it that gamers are aware of, and subsequently might be more likely to consider a private server first. Especially if they have had any influence on their perspective either from past play of 11 like myself, or opinions and anecdotes of past players. Horizon is definitely riding on that wave.
It’s just a perfect storm of opportunity and timing for Horizons leadership. I don’t think they’re that smart (look at their administrative in-house drama), they might be finding ways to capitalize on it now sure, but I think it’s mostly just luck and timing.
Now having said all that… I definitely now think the hostility to Horizon is warranted. My group alone resulted in 6 people buying the game and starting a sub, and the renewal of my and my SO’s sub. While 8 people is not that many people, I think its fair to say that if I didn’t look closely into private servers vs retail, I and my crew would likely have found ourselves on Horizon, and there would be that much less money going to FF11. I wonder how many other people responding to the Yoshi P bump are being funneled to horizon instead of retail due to aforementioned reasons, and what a waste that is since as far as I can tell, Yoshi P doing this crossover raid is an attempt at the initial steps for extending a lifeline to FF11.
If players do their homework and still decide to play on a… quasi-elementary-school-birdhouse-project-failure of a private server like Horizon, aight cool homie, whatever makes you happy, the world could use more happy people. Go play it champ. Throw some Ridill’s on some shit. Go get that E-body. And a pair of gaiters.
Horizon keeps getting attributed as having a sense of community, but if people come over to FF11 with their own community already from FF14, as is the case in my group. Well, that becomes a moot point. So does FF11's existing stale community. What you'll have is an opportunity for people to just start importing their own communities into your greater one. Your feelings on FF14 tourists bringing their culture to this antique game may vary, but that's another topic.
Yoshi P, and Horizon have created a renaissance opportunity for FF11 I think. The conflict you all are having is actually probably good for the game. And that will be my last point for now that I wish to make, and also a thank you of sorts to the people here who care enough about the game to make noise.
I don’t wanna name names or anything, Draylo. Because I’m definitely not here to point fingers, Homsar. But seeing everyone aggressively hash it out here was indeed a significant factor in my groups decision of where to play. It gave me things to consider and trails of information to investigate elsewhere so I could make the right decision for my groups needs/interests.
So like… thanks you guys. Please don’t stop fighting the good/stupid fight. I need you. We need you. And you didn’t even know it. Promote whatever you want, and promote with all your sincerity. Sane or not.
Never stop duking it out.
Yall are like the ROV conclusion (spoilers) The winds of conflict must ever blow over vanadiel lest it be consumed by the cloud of darkness.
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