SE DMCA Against Private Server Streams?!?!?

Thread's TLDR:
8 twitch streamers claim to have received DMCA strikes from SE. Link to relevant post

• 3 received them while live and got a 48hr suspension.

1 youtube video was linked where that user also claimed to have received a DMCA. Link to relevant post

The DMCAs do seem to be real, whether they originated from SE or some third party can't really be determined at this time. But Thorny pointed out the high legal risk of posing as an entity to make a DMCA claim. The exact portion of the videos in teh claims apparently can not be reviewed by the streamers so they are unsure of what EXACTLY they did, for example:

• Did they say "I am playing on HorizonXI" at the moment indicated in the video.

• Or did they break some other streaming guideline laid out in FINAL FANTASY XI Materials Usage License

Some people think those who stand in defense of SE decision to take action, are being mean/bootlicky.

Some people think those who stand in defense of Horizon/Streamers, are being ignorant/entitled

Why did SE take action now? Some Theories Presented:

• Primed for Adventure, SE official ffxi stream, was going to go through some prechecks and noticed all the blatant private server streams and reported it.

• Horizon "ads" have appeared in comments on official ffxi posts, and this was how they responded.

• The crossover event with FFXIV means more community attention on FFXI so this level of private server content is a bit embarrassing and needed to be cleaned up.

• Someone randomly ended up on the page and decided to take action.

• It was not SE and was actually some hater who had nothing left to lose.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/gullible

Huh. All this time, I was under the impression that word wasn't in the dictionary.

Coincidence!? lol, the real dunes experience

It's both probably real and also probably just automated copyright striking for music. Not super uncommon.

Actually, I had a couple of automated DMCA takedowns for music in my inbox and they don't quite look like this. Similar formatting but it has a fairly in depth explaination as to what actions I can take to be compliant. This doesn't have that. Gonna lean more towards it being fake, but my notices are also pretty old so maybe things have changed?

Have heard it confirmed by another Horizon streamer - that did not get one - that the DMCA strikes are real, though not necessarily by SE themselves.

No idea about this thread. Kinda weird, SE can ban any streamer with third party tools playing on an official server and not the ps streamers. 

Damn ya hate to see it

Well, two minutes of internet sleuthing led me to finding whose channel this is from, and I go to their Twitch page, and...





So yeah, alright, its definitely real. They got their whole channel removed, not even just a VOD. Ruh roh.

I got clapped

8 strikes in the community.

3 got a 48 hour ban

Eight different people? Or do you mean you got eight strikes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM8PtsQl-bU

Different ppl

Not a huge fan of the server but I think this is a bridge too far and totally unnecessary

Deserved for pretending like they can't get in trouble.

It's one thing to use someone else work. Trying to present your vision of their work as somehow 'improved' is really what keeps me from feeling sympathy for them though. It's not classic if it needed you to make it better kids...

I don't care about playing on private servers, but if I ran one, I'd try to make it better all the time (and fail at it).

Submitting a DMCA complaint requires you state:




Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people hate Horizon, and it's not that hard to go on the internet and tell lies. But, I'm inclined to think that would deter most garden variety sociopaths from pretending to be square enix. For that matter, twitch would likely expect the complaint to come from an official email if it's for a major company like that.

It takes a serious skeptic to assume this isn't actually SE.

Idk why people assume it's not SE had to know it was gonna happen sooner or later I'm sure the others will be hit also.

Why are you running around with their stuff making money and expecting them not to send bruno around to collect?

Its a pretty common thing on Youtube for third party companies to make claims on behalf of other entities, so it has less to do with believing it was a garden variety sociopath and more along the lines of it just not being actual Square and instead just being one of those companies. Their approach tends to be spray and pray because there's no consequences for filing false notices. Its actually crazy just how common that is over on Youtube. Plus it is probably just healthy to assume everything you see on the internet is fake, at least initially. :)

That being said, after I dug into it deeper than just the surface level, it does just appear to be real.

What would be the point of dmcaing streamers with 10 viewers.

What would be the point at all.

(Yes, companies are "forced" to enforce their property rights, thry literally "have to" but not against a streamer, against the entity doing the infringing)

And why now, after years of not doing it.

Which in this case would be twitch using its platform to do so. Twitch does it alot just don't see alot of partners get hit only behind the scenes getting strikes and what not.

Because interest in XI is resurgent thanks to the Alliance Raid announcement for XIV