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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:17:08
I can't believe people didn't discover Stun rotations prior to Delve. How did people not think of it before then? stun rotation have been around forever, guy. So not sure what you are getting at :/
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By Cerberus.Aerandir 2023-12-04 10:18:13
I don't think anyone suggested that stun rotations weren't used or conceptualized pre-delve...
However, there were a lot of interesting mechanical concepts introduced to the game around that time. I believe it was Abyssea that first used aura-effects centered on players and monsters, which in retrospect seems like a playtest for Geomancy. Abyssea was a success for me because it had situations where players would want to coordinate in ways outside of the standard zergs, tank-and-spanks, and SC-MB setups. Sure, those were fantastic ways of defeating monsters, but adding in another layer of complexity by putting extra drops, NM KI upgrades, etc. behind situational conditions often helped make me feel like I was doing more than just waiting on my TP meter to fill up to hit the same button again.
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By Homsar 2023-12-04 10:25:34
I can't believe people didn't discover Stun rotations prior to Delve. How did people not think of it before then? stun rotation have been around forever, guy. So not sure what you are getting at :/
Really? So you mean your Tojil strat existed in the 75 era? You sure about that?
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:28:03
I can't believe people didn't discover Stun rotations prior to Delve. How did people not think of it before then? stun rotation have been around forever, guy. So not sure what you are getting at :/
Really? So you mean your Tojil strat existed in the 75 era? You sure about that? I am still not sure what you are trying to get at, buddy. All I was saying was what I had fun with while playing delve, and pointing out that neutering tojil to not require a floored recast would be sad.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-04 10:28:52
When Horizon adds Trials of the Magians, they better add that proper 75-era grind:
Trial 991: Beasts Mercy Stroke x1500
Mercy Stroke killing blow
Trial 992: Vermin x1500
Trial 1818: Plantoids x1500
Trial 1819: Birds x2000
None of this pansy weak modern retail era 200/200/300/400 garbage.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:31:08
To be fair idk how they could add anything, I would imagine most people who play on there quit becasue Mythics got released and now my relic is 2nd best, or Empys got released and now my mythic/relic is 2nd/3rd best, delve got released and now my everything is ***.
wouldnt want to piss them off over the same thing again...
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By Shiva.Thorny 2023-12-04 10:32:17
You can't really make content like release-strength-delve 75-cap friendly without changing considerable amounts of how it works. The lack of fast cast and general pace of gameplay from 75 era is just not compatible with the amount of things needed at the time.
More likely, if anything, they keep the models and animations and completely revamp the stats/procs/mechanics/tp effects to the point that it's visually the same fight, but strategically something else entirely.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 10:36:52
There's nothing really wrong with it being similar in form but different in function, either. Catseye recently added Domain Invasions and have taken their own spin on it, its still pretty fun and cool. Its still a 75 capped server even though it has content that wasn't available at 75, its just rebalanced or reimagined a bit. Not everything has to be a carbon copy of what retail did to still be fun.
The idea that content can be different enough that you can't just wiki how to beat the entire fight, yet familiar enough to still trigger a bit of nostalgia is pretty cool imo, WoW has sort of figured out that this is an okay model with Season of Discovery, and that seems to be going pretty well for them so far.
By Zehira 2023-12-04 10:40:29
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Don't get me wrong it's grindy as hell, but that's the game.
You see.
When Horizon adds Trials of the Magians, they better add that proper 75-era grind:
Trial 991: Beasts Mercy Stroke x1500
Mercy Stroke killing blow
Trial 992: Vermin x1500
Trial 1818: Plantoids x1500
Trial 1819: Birds x2000
None of this pansy weak modern retail era 200/200/300/400 garbage.
No, keep that to retail. It's made for merc and bot lovers.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:42:28
The idea that content can be different enough that you can't just wiki how to beat the entire fight, yet familiar enough to still trigger a bit of nostalgia is pretty cool imo, WoW has sort of figured out that this is an okay model with Season of Discovery, and that seems to be going pretty well for them so far.
Maybe for some, but if your a heavy analysis type that kinda thing would be like buying a knock-off cuz it kinda sorta looks like the thing you actually want.
Personally it would just leave me more heart broken, but I can see how some might find a cheap imitation good enough for their purposes.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:43:29
When Horizon adds Trials of the Magians, they better add that proper 75-era grind:
Trial 991: Beasts Mercy Stroke x1500
Mercy Stroke killing blow
Trial 992: Vermin x1500
Trial 1818: Plantoids x1500
Trial 1819: Birds x2000
None of this pansy weak modern retail era 200/200/300/400 garbage.
No, keep that to retail. It's made for merc and bot lovers.
you seems to be confused about what people bot or merc for on retail.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-04 10:44:51
He's also confused about what the current trial requirements are compared to what they originally were, even though what I wrote in my post was pretty clear about what the current and original numbers were.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-12-04 10:46:23
you seems to be confused about what people bot or merc for on retail.
What? A Horizon player that's confused and not just stupid?
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 10:47:26
The idea that content can be different enough that you can't just wiki how to beat the entire fight, yet familiar enough to still trigger a bit of nostalgia is pretty cool imo, WoW has sort of figured out that this is an okay model with Season of Discovery, and that seems to be going pretty well for them so far.
Maybe for some, but if your a heavy analysis type that kinda thing would be like buying a knock-off cuz it kinda sorta looks like the thing you actually want.
Personally it would just leave me more heart broken, but I can see how some might find a cheap imitation good enough for their purposes. This is probably going to come as a shock, but not everything is for you. It is okay for things that don't appeal to you to exist, you aren't being forced to interact with them. I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
The model of taking old content and reusing/rehashing it into something different, yet familiar, has a lot of merits and proven successes. Remakes, reboots, remasters, they surround us in every media form.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 10:53:23
I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense?
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By Homsar 2023-12-04 11:00:29
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense?
Where on here does it indicate that this site is only for retail discussion? And how do you reconcile the fact that the topics on this subforum were almost entirely started by buttblasted REEEEEtail players?
By Zehira 2023-12-04 11:01:13
I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d3r-AZMI1Y
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 11:02:47
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense?
Where on here does it indicate that this site is only for retail discussion? And how do you reconcile the fact that the topics on this subforum were almost entirely started by buttblasted REEEEEtail players? Except this thread was dieing until you posted.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 11:03:02
I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense? Well considering this is a forum specifically for a private server, perhaps I'm not the one who is lost? I didn't go out of my way to get upset, you did.
By Homsar 2023-12-04 11:04:56
Except this thread was dieing until you posted.
That's not true at all, nor does it change the fact that the topics on this subforum were almost entirely started by buttblasted REEEEEtail players.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 11:14:49
I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense? Well considering this is a forum specifically for a private server, perhaps I'm not the one who is lost? I didn't go out of my way to get upset, you did. Just because it is here doesn't make it welcome, how would it go on a heavy metal forum if they added a sub form for idk pop, sure some like pop but you real metal head will flip a table.
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By Homsar 2023-12-04 11:16:57
Just because it is here doesn't make it welcome
You aren't required to post in this subforum. You know that, right?
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 11:17:27
I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense? Well considering this is a forum specifically for a private server, perhaps I'm not the one who is lost? I didn't go out of my way to get upset, you did. Just because it is here doesn't make it welcome, how would it go on a heavy metal forum if they added a sub form for idk pop, sure some like pop but you real metal head will flip a table. I'm pretty sure by the very nature of it being here that actually does make it welcome, but go off...?
This must be bait, right? Is this Nynja's sock account?
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2023-12-04 11:19:10
I don't really like heavy metal, but I also don't go on heavy metal forums and tell people that the thing they like is stupid and that they should stop enjoying it.
But you do come onto a retail website and spout private server nonsense? Well considering this is a forum specifically for a private server, perhaps I'm not the one who is lost? I didn't go out of my way to get upset, you did. Just because it is here doesn't make it welcome, how would it go on a heavy metal forum if they added a sub form for idk pop, sure some like pop but you real metal head will flip a table. I'm pretty sure by the very nature of it being here that actually does make it welcome, but go off...?
This must be bait, right? Is this Nynja's sock account?
Aren't we all just sock accounts? only ever showing a small glimpse of our true selves to anyone.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 11:26:20
I prefer to exist in the realm of good faith for the most part, I did a lot of mudpit fighting over the last few years and it got boring.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-04 11:26:36
I VPN to Canada just to really sell that sock account ideology.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-04 11:27:21
I really wish I could VPN my physical form to Canada for some delicious authentic poutine.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-04 11:29:35
I really respect the dedication to your craft. This is the Nynja I knew in 2006.
Please its fun let me read whoreizon stuff :( Please don't close threads like Horizon discord
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