Please Open If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee Again

He's a turbo bozo, anything he says is pretty safe to just disregard.

Deflecting again. Wish I could say I were surprised. The rationale "They could do it and have incentive to do so" could be used to accuse anyone of stealing, lying, cheating, etc. Even a toddler can see why the logic is idiotic.

Of course, as Draylo is mystified by simple things like number-returning queries, it makes sense that he subscribes to such inanity.

Deflecting? I've answered you multiple times and you keep asking the same questions over and over. Not only are you asking the same questions, you are literally putting words into peoples posts multiple times. You aren't discussing in good faith, that much is obvious. You also completely missed the point, but keep thinking you are somehow intellectually superior lol, its getting real bad when the only thing you can do is resort to personal attacks and repeating yourself constantly. Just completely ignore the fact multiple people are giving you the same opinion and viewpoint.

WoW classic is so much better than retail and it's proof classic server would work!

All new Final Fantasy games should be mobile only.

Don't you people have phones?

Play Mario party, bowling, or golf on the switch with your friends and family. It's a lot better.

Draylo posting this is the height of irony.


To be fair, there's not much else one can do when confronted with the inane babblings of a conspiracy theorist. It doesn't help that you keep outing yourself as ignorant to the point where you think intimate knowledge of private servers would be required to manipulate /sea all numbers. The fact that you think people wanting actual evidence makes them trolls is pretty telling. This is, once again, the same line of reasoning that antivaxxers and 9/11 truthers use.


Multiple people think the COVID vaccine is going to kill off most of humanity. Multiple people expressing an opinion doesn't inherently boost the value of said opinion.

Really though, I don't think a single person has actually agreed with your fake number assertions, probably because your logic is idiotic. You linking to no-name streamers and internet randoms in Youtube comments as some sort of proof of a massive shadow campaign is an incredible stretch. Your assertion that the no-name streamers are being compensated by Horizon behind-the-scenes is without basis. The idea that there's some sort of massive fund behind a free-to-play FFXI server that's funding this shadow campaign is also ludicrous. You keep posting about that streamer guy(Ninja?) but beyond him saying he "took care of the servers"(which could mean as little as paying for hosting fees), where's the proof of this massive amount of money?

Even if your astroturfing allegations were true, that wouldn't really be saying much. It's a basic advertisement technique that is used almost universally making it illogical to single out Horizon for doing so. It also wouldn't matter if Horizon didn't have an actual robust playerbase because people would notice pretty damn quickly that they don't have people to play with.

If what Nynja said about Kipling and advertising is true, that's really just business-speak. Stupid perhaps, but not really the sort of shady skullduggery that would make Horizon worse than any other business.

they need to just make final fantasy XXX

All kidding aside though a mobile game that isn't just a gatcha trap would be extremely cool, I hope they get on that soon. I'm running out of Pokemon ROM hacks to play.

I think he might be misremembering unless this isn't the post he's talking about.

In the end none of it matters when discussing it with you. You even admit to simply saying "lol so" if all the evidence was neatly presented to you on a plate with receipts and everything. So what is the point and what exactly is your point? A lot of mental gymnastics to shill for them.

Yes its a basic advertising technique, which I explained to you before in a previous post. You keep talking in circles, they are bothering a lot of people across social media with their constant advertising and as its explained to you, you simply say "lol so." The playerbase is a result of their tactics, which was explained to you over and over. You just keep debating just for the sake of debating. I'd like to know what your point is, because we know I care about the game and that is the basis for my discussions. You who has admitted to disliking retail, who has admitted to not caring either way if it succeed or fails, has been here constantly debating anyone who enters the thread lol.

Came across this during my search, what a laughable thing for somebody to say. There's no way he actually believes that LandSandBoat is anywhere even remotely close to "preserving" anything. They barely have Treasures of Aht Urghan finished, and if retail goes offline they are completely boned because they will have no way to packet sniff the rest of the data that they need to actually finish coding the remaining content. Which, again, they are nowhere even remotely close to doing.

This is how you know he's delusional.

also teehee 69 posts

Dear Diary,

Today I logged into the game and had fun.

I sure did make a lot of friends today; I really hope I meet my new friends again tomorrow and that we have lots more fun together.

-Shio

Remember when the last thread was locked for being off topic?

I'd eat my words right away if you had any sort of actual evidence. As it stands, you've just shat out useless speculations backed by horrifically flawed logic. Your entire argument can be boiled down to "WELL THEY COULD BE LYING", which isn't really an argument at all.


Because basic advertising, particularly in the form of Youtube comments, is an incredibly stupid thing to get angry about. Do you go to WoW forums and screech about them trying to steal FFXI players when you see someone say "play WoW"? You keep trying to use Youtube comments as some sort of strike against Horizon, which is just absurd.


It's also a result of the fact that they've made an enjoyable server for people to play. Like it or not, Horizon has attracted thousands of players and they couldn't do so if they didn't create an enjoyable environment.


This is patently untrue.


Retail has already succeeded, but that's not what I said anyway. I said I don't care if people play retail or not. I don't expect people to play retail forever and I'm not like you where I deludedly believe people should shovel money at it forever in some sort of twisted hope that SE will suddenly devote resources to it again. You literally get mad at people for not giving SE money for a game they aren't having fun playing. You even whined that Ninja should give money to SE to make an expansion lmao

But seriously this is just a clusterfuck of Homsar, Draylo, Nynja, and GetHelpNerd having the dumbest argument.

We were discussing The Nanny earlier, but Draylo had to go and ruin it.

Rooks do your job already christ.

I dont think its that one. Let me try to find it now that I'm home.

I was mis-remembering who made the post, it was Aerec.


Thats the *** lawyer jargon post I was referring to about advertising. It also was made before Kiplings post that you referenced, so there may have been some behind the scenes discussion about this topic and how to word it should it come up.

They wouldn't accept that money so I said it jokingly. But it would have done a hell of a lot more for XI than supporting a private server.

The environment is the same as many servers before it, not much changed there. It was all marketing and smoke.

It's not getting angry, its more annoyed and eye rolling. I didn't think about this server since the initial ad push when it released until they added this section to the site. My life goes on with or without it existing lol, thats why we are discussing a hobby so no need to get bent out of shape.

Horizon is a business now? :rolls eyes:

No argument here. It's silly pedantry trying to shore up that grassroots image but anyone can see through it.

That being said, Horizon advertising themselves isn't really a strike against them even if they want to be cringe and try to deflect from doing so.


It would have done exactly nothing except for SE laughing and pocketing the cash, just like they did when they gave people the esteemed opportunity to pay for more Mog Wardrobe spots.

By the way, since you subscribe to the "even one person playing Horizon over retail is a detriment to retail" tomfoolery, wouldn't you inversely recognize that some people who play Horizon might move on to retail at some point?


lol sure. Your history of anger and bitterness is known to anyone who posts here. You're so bitter that you even hate free login campaigns and denigrate people for not blindly throwing their money at SE in hopes of an expansion lmao


The numerous posts you've made kvetching about Horizon in the past year say otherwise lol

Done. You clearly don't enjoy this thread, so you've been topic banned from it. Enjoy your freedom, and don't say I never did nothin for ya

Is it not a business?

Whose checking account did Ninja transfer his million dollars to? One of the admins?

Who pays for the server hosting? Who pays for the website?

Is this whole thing just run out of the kindness of some guy's heart? Someone has to register accounts for these services and pay for them, are they doing it from their own checking account?

Follow-up: if this guy goes on vacation or decides he doesn't want to do it anymore, does Horizon just die the next month? Does he just walk away with the million then? Good thing he didn't waste it on advertising, I guess.

Businesses have liabilities. Such as copyright infringement, trademark violations, lawsuits for harassment by staff and so forth.