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Please open If Horizon had a $1 monthly fee again
 Asura.Rekcuf
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 219
By Asura.Rekcuf 2023-12-06 11:12:23
You would have to be doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to believe there was 0 ad push, 0 fake buffed numbers, 0 shady dealings behind the scenes. Give me a break, just ask yourself why literally every single private server before this one had nowhere near the "success"? Examine all the factors and put aside your dumb "these boomer XI diehards trying to convince me of their crazy theories."
I find it incredible people are so easily led like sheep, lol. Why weren't you so diehard about every other private server before this? Like this is something new and exciting, its the same ***from previous iterations. The same EXPing as content, the same forced fake interactions and "nostalgia feels." It's honestly so weird and dystopian that people are so easily controlled. It is literally in your face across any XI media you come across, the advertising was stronger when it first came out but you can see how well their marketing worked. Then you should ask yourself why would they need marketing in the first place? Then you can start to see the shady things going on, like the fact theres gil/account sellers for a private server.
The amount of "streamers" they have had for this server, I have been around the XI social media scenes for decades and never even in XIs prime has it seen as much streamers and wannabe influencers. Youtube was def around in its prime, and it barely touched what they pushed across the last year lol. You would have to be willingly blind to the obvious to not see similarities and think something is suspect.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WncbGFzQQqs
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RUfsARY3Vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEjJAp7v_Mw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzgFt0E164
Countless channels with the same style and setup of "influencer/streamer" with all thier social medias linked. For a 20 year old game format... give me a break lol. Where were they for the previous private servers, many of which are still running? Those are just the few that popped into my feed recently, but since this whole thing took off I remember so many of these people streaming in the same format.
Woah dude it's almost as if encouraging it makes people more likely to produce content!
Also I notice you started hiding your post count now lmao
"Encouraging" yeah sure. It's almost like none of this is "conspiracy" and their claim of 0 advertising is false. Anyone with a brain can see that.
omfg simps
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 163
By Asura.Snapster 2023-12-06 11:13:48
I moved from Fenrir to Asura because Fenrir was a dead server. This was when Omen was the latest content. People also derided Asura during that time, but truthfully, it was way better than Fenrir because there were people on the server. If something has changed, then it is news to me, but it seems like your two retail options are a dead server or an RMT infested server.
By Homsar 2023-12-06 11:27:27
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »There are basically three distinct FFXI experiences, from what I've read on this forum and reddit.
Asura: Loads of activity, including mercs, bots, RMT, AH, PUGs. Everything you want at your fingertips, though lots of competition for it all
Bahamut/Odin: Asura-lite. There are still mercs and RMT, and the AH is quite busy but not quite Asura levels. Possibly some PUG but fewer. Odin is primarily Japan-based, Bahamut is more US/EU based.
Everywhere else: There are no mercs, the only bots are people botting their own character, the RMT mostly just do CP or bot sparks. Content is focused around networking, linkshells, and Discord. If you want to do content, you need to make friends and do the content with them, you won't find a single PUG. Similarly, some things on AH are rare and you might have to wait for synthesis materials, or if you want a crafted item you may need to speak with a crafter directly.
Gil is reasonably easy to come by, as long as you're willing to grind some.
Speaking from experience, Bismarck is a wasteland as described.
By Dodik 2023-12-06 11:36:58
The other servers are not "wastelands", they just don't have thousands of (mostly NA time) players on.
The PUG experience does not exist outside Asura and a couple other servers.
But there are smaller groups doing all the content just the same on smaller servers.
You do have to, and I know this will immediately disqualify a great number of posters in this thread, actually be nice, make friends and find groups to play with. Shocking in an MMO, I know.
Sometimes I wonder if the 75 era folk even remember what circa 2005 XI was really like.
By Homsar 2023-12-06 11:38:57
"The other servers of this massive multiplayer game aren't wastelands! There's just not a lot of people on them!"
lol
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By Asura.Sensarity 2023-12-06 11:45:24
The only people who think the other 15 servers are a barren wasteland are either on Horizon or on Asura. No one else is complaining.
If a tree falls down and no one is there to hear it, did it really complain?
 Ragnarok.Jessikah
Server: Ragnarok
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Posts: 3833
By Ragnarok.Jessikah 2023-12-06 11:50:55
"The other servers of this massive multiplayer game aren't wastelands! There's just not a lot of people on them!"
lol 
Stop misquoting people. You just did it to me and now Dodik. That's not even close to what they said lmao
There's no point in conversing with you when you keep shifting goalposts, building strawman arguments, cherry-picking quotes, and throwing needless shade at people.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2023-12-06 11:53:55
Bahamut is far from a 'wasteland'.
We don't shout much, because we have LINKSHELLS or statics that complete content together. That said, there are random segments/sortie shouts etc throughout the day. If you want more shouts for content, then shout yourself. People will join.
We have linkshells that offer mercs for groups/players that do not have the ability to clear certain content themselves.
Our AH is not Asura, but good 'nuff.
There are a few players who did stop playing because they didn't enjoy having to do Sortie until they're 84 years old, but a lot of us just pretend that ***event doesn't exist.
 Lakshmi.Cadant
Server: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Cadant 2023-12-06 11:54:50
Why is there even an argument going on over retail vs p.servers? They're not even the same game at this point
By Homsar 2023-12-06 11:56:35
Ragnarok.Jessikah said: » That's not even close to what they said lmao
It is though. You can't claim that MMO servers aren't wastelands while also acknowledging that there aren't massive amounts of players on them lol
And I didn't misquote you either. You keep tying yourself in knots to explain why you are compelled to take up arms in the anti-Horizon war because of scathing comments such as "try Horizon".
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By Asura.Snapster 2023-12-06 11:56:53
The other servers are not "wastelands", they just don't have thousands of (mostly NA time) players on.
The PUG experience does not exist outside Asura and a couple other servers.
But there are smaller groups doing all the content just the same on smaller servers.
You do have to, and I know this will immediately disqualify a great number of posters in this thread, actually be nice, make friends and find groups to play with. Shocking in an MMO, I know.
Sometimes I wonder if the 75 era folk even remember what circa 2005 XI was really like.
It sounds like many small, fragmented groups that don't speak to each other and that you need to put yourself out there to break into one of them. Horizon (and retail before the deluge of RMT messages drowned it out) feels more like a larger social web with many groups that overlap within it.
By Homsar 2023-12-06 11:58:20
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Bahamut is far from a 'wasteland'.
We don't shout much, because we have LINKSHELLS or statics that complete content together. That said, there are random segments/sortie shouts etc throughout the day. If you want more shouts for content, then shout yourself. People will join.
We have linkshells that offer mercs for groups/players that do not have the ability to clear certain content themselves.
Our AH is not Asura, but good 'nuff.
There are a few players who did stop playing because they didn't enjoy having to do Sortie until they're 84 years old, but a lot of us just pretend that ***event doesn't exist.
Nobody is going to claim that Bahamut is a wasteland. The problem is that 13 out of the 16 servers largely are.
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By Dodik 2023-12-06 12:10:41
A low population, still not a wasteland, is only a problem if you have the social capacity of a 5 year old with the temperament of a highly strung out middle aged person.
No one on low population servers seems to have a problem with that low population or they would leave. Funny how only people not on those servers seem to have a problem with it.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-06 12:10:46
Nobody is going to claim that Bahamut is a wasteland.
By Homsar 2023-12-06 12:13:40
No one on low population servers seems to have a problem with that low population or they would leave I moved from Fenrir to Asura because Fenrir was a dead server.
lol
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-06 12:16:42
Dodik literally said "no one on low pop servers has a problem with the population or they would leave", and Homsar think's he cooking by quoting someone who said they left.
How *** stupid do you have to be to not understand what "or they would leave" means?
Just incase some ESL person chimes in all offended, the above sentence is based on the expectation of English as mother tongue, to which I'm 99.999% sure applies to Homsar.
Ragnarok.Jessikah
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Posts: 3833
By Ragnarok.Jessikah 2023-12-06 12:17:58
It is though. You can't claim that MMO servers aren't wastelands while also acknowledging that there aren't massive amounts of players on them lol Different servers have different people playing on them. Dodik said "mostly NA time" because some servers like Odin might seem barren, but actually have a lot of players during JP primetimes.
Dodik essentially said "Those servers aren't wastelands, they just appear that way to North Americans"
You misquoted as "Those servers aren't wastelands, they just don't have players"
And I didn't misquote you either. You keep tying yourself in knots to explain why you are compelled to take up arms in the anti-Horizon war because of scathing comments such as "try Horizon". Considering the complete butchering of context above, I'm not sure if you're either feigning misunderstanding for kicks or if you really are not understanding any point anyone is ever trying to make. Either way, this exact situation is why the HorizonXI community is frustrating to deal with.
Logical fallacies and loops until you just abandon all hope of getting through to them.
By Homsar 2023-12-06 12:23:11
Ragnarok.Jessikah said: »I'm not sure if you're either feigning misunderstanding for kicks or if you really are not understanding any point anyone is ever trying to make.
I understand you perfectly. Much like Draylo, you seethe furiously at the mere mention of Horizon and that compels you to take up arms like it's some sort of holy war. You literally made the claim that it's impossible to ignore Horizon lol
How *** stupid do you have to be to not understand what "or they would leave" means?
How stupid do you have to be to think that "just change servers bro!" is really decent advice in any way? Especially when the alternatives are Shitsura and Shitsura-lite?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-06 12:26:15
How stupid do you have to be to think that "just change servers bro!" is really decent advice in any way? You poverty Horizon stans spamming "come to Horizon" isn't any different from your so-called decent advice of "just change servers bro". Its the same thing with the added requirement of "start over from level 1".
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By Asura.Snapster 2023-12-06 12:26:38
A low population, still not a wasteland, is only a problem if you have the social capacity of a 5 year old with the temperament of a highly strung out middle aged person.
No one on low population servers seems to have a problem with that low population or they would leave. Funny how only people not on those servers seem to have a problem with it.
You might be projecting a bit much with this. The social dynamics of Horizon vs. Asura vs. backwater retail servers are different and do matter. It sounds like there's more effort required to eke out a content group in retail and that even if you do, you are relatively isolated. That's not my cup of tea. TBH, I'd rather play on a server with a larger, more connected social fabric.
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Posts: 179
By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-06 12:32:05
*Wings
When this server launched, during the Dynamis-D era, it had peaks of 1000 active players. However, Retail had its content, including the challenging Wave 3, leaving little attention for Wings.
For me, this private server was the best, being more casual-friendly with the signet buff and offering /DNC as a sub-job. Nevertheless, people were already fatigued from Nasomi/Eden to embark on the level 1-75 journey once again. Eh, Wings didn't pop off more because I didn't do a very good job of marketing it outside of people who were already invested in playing private servers. We never even actually hit 1k, we peaked at 870ish, but we also didn't allow multi boxing so that 870 felt a lot more significant than other servers back then that had "1500" players. (Which was realistically more like 1/2 that.) I think if I had put more effort into marketing it in similar ways to Horizon we could have probably done similar numbers, but honestly I'm glad we never did because holy crap that would have been too much for me to handle.
I appreciate you mentioning that Wings was the sweet spot though, it means a lot. It was a very deliberate effort by me and the people who worked on it to make it feel that way, and it isn't often that people really appreciate that. It is usually used as a point against us actually. I wanted Wings to offer the nostalgia of playing an era server without feeling like everything has to be a totally unreasonable grindy snoozefest, but not completely pedal-to-the-metal like retail either.
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By Homsar 2023-12-06 12:33:51
How stupid do you have to be to think that "just change servers bro!" is really decent advice in any way? And "come to Horizon" is any different from "just change servers bro"? Its the same thing with the added requirement of "start over from level 1".
"Come to Horizon" can be equivocated to saying "Play a different game" since Horizon and retail are very different.
"Change servers" is saying "pay money to leave behind any friends you may have so you can roll the dice on finding a better playing experience on a server that the entire community recognizes as toxic(Asura) or a lesser version of the toxic server(Bahamut)".
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-06 12:37:56
Also I have been playing on Asura pretty consistently since around January and I don't get the gripes people have with it. I've met lots of cool people and haven't really had any sort of standout negative interactions with mercs or people who use them. I just filtered yell and that was about the extent of what was necessary. When I first came back I was on Carbuncle (cause that's where Gilgamesh got dumped to I guess?) and it didn't really feel much different. Maybe a little less crowded but that's about the only notable difference that I could tell.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-06 12:40:54
When you said you knew me since 2006, I thought you meant just through posts on forums. I have no idea who you were on Gilgamesh though, I'm presuming you had a different name.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-06 12:41:58
When you said you knew me since 2006, I thought you meant just through posts on forums. I have no idea who you were on Gilgamesh though, I'm presuming you had a different name. Nope, same name. You used to sell me lots of V. Claws. =) I ran DynaMisadventures too, I was the poor sap who ran themselves in the ground to build a Kikoku like a *** idiot.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-12-06 12:44:07
"Come to Horizon" can be equivocated to saying "Play a different game" since Horizon and retail are very different.
"Change servers" is saying "pay money to leave behind any friends you may have so you can roll the dice on finding a better playing experience on a server that the entire community recognizes as toxic(Asura) or a lesser version of the toxic server(Bahamut)". So many fundamental problems here
1-Theyre both Final Fantasy XI, just ones a bastardized version that you can get IP banned from for insulting an admin or talking bad about the server.
2-Going from Retail to Horizon apparently means you arent leaving your friends behind.
3-This is very big one that demonstrates the hypocrisy of your arguments. If someone has a group of friends on their retail server, why would they want to server hop? The entire premise of a permanent server hop is "I have no friends and no one to do stuff with". This poverty excuse of yours was dead on arrival.
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By Asura.Snapster 2023-12-06 12:47:15
Also I have been playing on Asura pretty consistently since around January and I don't get the gripes people have with it. I've met lots of cool people and haven't really had any sort of standout negative interactions with mercs or people who use them. I just filtered yell and that was about the extent of what was necessary. When I first came back I was on Carbuncle (cause that's where Gilgamesh got dumped to I guess?) and it didn't really feel much different. Maybe a little less crowded but that's about the only notable difference that I could tell.
I don't mind mercs or mercing content. It's the way that the unending stream of merc shouts tends to suffocate the social fabric of the server. You can filter it out individually but can't force others to do that.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-06 12:48:55
One thing I will point out that I think neither of you are considering - an alarming number of players who play private servers are often also playing retail at the same time. It didn't used to be as prevalent until single box servers started becoming the norm for private servers. The game is pretty slow paced and sometimes mundane, you may as well just fire up multiple instances.
We polled people once on this and it was close to like half the people were dual boxing lol.
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By Asura.Gweivyth 2023-12-06 12:51:51
Also I have been playing on Asura pretty consistently since around January and I don't get the gripes people have with it. I've met lots of cool people and haven't really had any sort of standout negative interactions with mercs or people who use them. I just filtered yell and that was about the extent of what was necessary. When I first came back I was on Carbuncle (cause that's where Gilgamesh got dumped to I guess?) and it didn't really feel much different. Maybe a little less crowded but that's about the only notable difference that I could tell.
I don't mind mercs or mercing content. It's the way that the unending stream of merc shouts tends to suffocate the social fabric of the server. You can filter it out individually but can't force others to do that. Ah word, yeah I mean I just turned yell off completely so this is a complete non issue for me. If I need people to do stuff with I'll just ask in linkshell and fill in any blanks with trusts 99% of the time.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2023-12-06 12:53:03
How stupid do you have to be to think that "just change servers bro!" is really decent advice in any way? And "come to Horizon" is any different from "just change servers bro"? Its the same thing with the added requirement of "start over from level 1".
"Come to Horizon" can be equivocated to saying "Play a different game" since Horizon and retail are very different.
"Change servers" is saying "pay money to leave behind any friends you may have so you can roll the dice on finding a better playing experience on a server that the entire community recognizes as toxic(Asura) or a lesser version of the toxic server(Bahamut)".
1.) It's not different. it's literally a snapshot of a point in time of XI's past. It's not like they use their own models, zones, code etc.
2.) Don't you ever compare my nice picket fenced neighborhood to downtown detroit again!
Please its fun let me read whoreizon stuff :( Please don't close threads like Horizon discord
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