Fujito 4gamer Interview

Wow Jack Garland. He's never been in a Final Fantasy game before. Totally new character screaming about Chaos who definitely hasn't been in a FF game before. Again recycle some ideas that stick to brand because they are derivative and artistically stagnant


Again it's renamed FF turn based with a job system that is analogous to the original.

And SD3 is literally old as dirt and I've played it more than 10 play throughs on the original and 6+ on Trials of Mana. And both are great, but a remake is not new. There is no scheduled follow up to Trials of Mana or the Mana series of any kind. They just released and already plan to shutter the phone game that was going to ride that wave for quick cash.

no one said anything of the sort, stop playing victim all the time its tiring. this is what was said though:



it's one thing to argue valuation has went up for the company in a specific currency. i bet they are up pretty substantially in zimbabwe dollardoos too. it's another to claim someone is making things up by talking about things in the US dollar. literally no one and i mean no one talks about valuation in anything other than the US dollar when you're talking about a stock that is on every major exchange.

but since you want JPY i'll repeat myself. all in all, SE is definitely on it's way out. as stated sony is up about 85-90% in JPY in the same timeframe, 16% is underperforming the market substantially in a space(gaming industry) that has grown TENSFOLD in the last 10 years. their buying and staying power is also greatly diminished since the yen has weakened considerably over the same time frame.

but yes, i am a hater. anyone that grew up playing games made by SE in the late 90s and early 2ks should be incredibly disappointed with what they have done the last 10-15 years. they probably have the best IP and some of the best stories from that early timeframe and they've pissed it all away

Sure, I can admit I shouldn't jump into the conclusion about your source too fast. This part I can admit it is my fault.

It doesn't justify you calling people fanboy or 11 year old though.

It's cool, I'll forget about the 11 year old remark this time and make it equal. But I am not going to appreciate subsequent personal attack over currency argument like this.


Never disagree on that, I only disagree with the SE failing part. To me it's not growing nor failing. Not great compare with Nintendo or capcom, not super terrible either, it's about the same to me.

But we both already made our points and that's subjective so whatever. You are free to think SE is failing if you wish.

Yeah if you play the entire series it didn't become any of those things until MGS got popular and they needed to cash in. I used to run and gun or rocket launcher in the fiirst games. Again generic AAA game that is trying to be a movie versus generic AAA game that is trying to be a movie and is called Final Fantasy. Look at our shallow game play and weak narrative. CINEMATICS! Instead of spending time on gameplay and making something that is interesting to play.

SE used to innovate with almost every game. Now they just look to other games for inspiration and fail at the execution.

Or it's a remake or a fully derivative from a previous game.

Wow I'm glad they spent all that time and effort failing to do all of that properly.

My guy, you're not going to convince people who are fanyboying SE this hard.

Wait what? Did you just say immersive sim games like Deus Ex was copying MGS and it is generic AAA game with no gameplay but cutscenes? Seriously?

It does not copy MGS, the core gameplay of Deus Ex comes from earlier immersive sim games like Ultima underworld, Thief and system shock. Also literally no one in the gaming community would call deus ex "generic AAA game with no gameplay except cutscenes". It is completely different kind of game from any FF in every way.

What are you talking about exactly -.- I guess you can't distinguish 3D games from different genres, they are all the same to you if they have cutscenes.


Out of last 28 games that I completed in the last 1.5 years, only 3 were published by SE, one SE game were dropped because I didn't enjoy it.

Out of 28 games no SE games has made it onto my top 3 favourite out of 28, although one probably made it onto my top 5-6 favourite. That game wasn't FF though.

If that makes me a hardcore SE fangirl then it's almost too easy to become one. Just play 1 SE game every 7 games and like them enough. everyone can be a SE fan!!!

Edit: Oops it's 4 SE games not 3. One game was so forgettable that I completely forgot about it lol.

At least I didn't purchase a console only for SE games then got pissed off about having no games to play like someone else here. :P

Ehh Trials of Mana is different enough to be classified as a new game, and why I called it a reimagination. It's had all core game systems radically rearranged, all resources are brand new and they even extended the story line. One of my favorite things to do now is run around as Angela spamming holy attacks, something that wasn't possible in the SD3. Compare this to the Steam release of Secret of Mana, now that is a remake along with the Pixel Remasters.

It just sounds like you are wanting someone to invent a time machine and use it to send you back to reexperience your youth.

No I'm literally looking for them to be able to make games that are both original and good so that I can go back to looking forward to their releases.

They are artistically stagnant and unispiring. That's a sad departure from my childhood

A lot of their most recent games have been really bad, idk why you want to defend them so much when all the results are public. You can really start to see their decline as they wanted to pander more to the west and get in on all the popular lame trends. They have continued to show really poorly thought out business moves and ideas.

Yeah, I can see the public results.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/final-fantasy-xiv-endwalker

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/final-fantasy-xvi

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/final-fantasy-vii-remake-intergrade

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/dragon-quest-xi-s-echoes-of-an-elusive-age---definitive-edition

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/kingdom-hearts-iii

https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/neo-the-world-ends-with-you

Not sure I miss anything else made by SE internal teams recently. Octopath and bravely default aren't made by SE afaik, SE only publish them. Even the lowest score is 80+ and highest being 90+.

Edit: After checking wiki I think SE is involved in Octopath's development so adding them here:

https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/octopath-traveler

https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/octopath-traveler-ii

Both are 80+ still...

Pretty sure I didn't imagine things here....

Unfortunately they do not cater to you, and what you stated is extremely subjective. Different people have different definitions of "good" and "original" while also enjoying different playstyles. Something that is not fun for you, might be fun for a different person, and vice versa. That is just how the world is, nobody is going to make you The Almighty so unless you start your own game company, you need to find games that fit your own playstyle.

This is why I said you really just want a time machine, you are looking back to your youth and expecting that to be repeated, it won't and expecting that will just make you angry and bitter. There are a plethora of games out there with all different styles and experiences. Don't get hung up on a single game company.

Imaging believing all reviews are legit and not paid for.

Metacritic has user scores you know ;p

Imagine thousands of user scores are all paid.

tl;dr of this thread: Games that I don't prefer are objectively bad games, other people liking them doesn't make it good. My preference > all!

You are using user reviews to determine if a game was successful and you are using games more than 4 years old for "recent". You are just cherry picking to suit your argument, clearly ignoring their actual recent games.

So what metric should I use then?

I keep reading "SE keeps making bad games!!!" posts here. And yet NONE of the post ever mention any details. Which game was bad? What makes them bad? What's the percentage of good game v.s the bad one from SE? Do SE published games from external studios count or not? What is your metric of determining a bad game? Bugs? Style? Genre? Budget? Production values? Which year count as recent release?

You mentioned zero metric, all you did was spamming "bad games!" over and over. Then when I tried to make a post based on a metric that I think it's fair all your argument was "you are defending for SE!!!!"

Hey, how about YOU post your own metric if you don't like mine so we can continue to discuss. Or go back and read what Saev said and think again.

A bad game is a game that doesn't make profit commensurate with the staff, resources, and intellectual property leveraged. By that metric, many of SE's recent games (and the trend of ongoing games like FFXI and FFXIV) are bad. You can see this in their stock trend when put against comparable companies. Additionally, the company has garnered an immense amount of goodwill from an incredibly loyal fanbase. Recently, they've done a lot to alienate those loyal fans in pursuit of bringing a more widestream appeal to their products.

Most of the posters here are upset that SE's recent games have not fit their personal taste, which is a different issue.

I think many of the posters here are long time players, like 10-20 years and of course they are older so their personal taste is not the prime grind and sortie snafu's as the most exciting thing coming out this year by the devs.

But yeah, spot on analysis of SE games. Good to learn a little about a broader range of their products.

Just got back from vacation. read this thread on the plane to pass the time.
comments: XI kinda died a long time ago. It was a long slow death, starting from the Salvage bannings, accelerating with abyssea (even though Abyssea was a lot of fun) and withering away from SOA. It's been on life support ever since.
However good the content was during that period, or the battle mechanics, the community never really recovered. It continued to become less of a social mmo and more of a low-man, instanced, pseudo lobby server game until it became what it is today; multi-box solo for the most part, with tiny pockets of statics here and there comprised of those lucky enough to have had their friends stay the course or made new strong enough friendships.

I came back in april I think. almost 5 months in, and after a 3 week vacation pretty certain the magic I came back looking for is no longer here.

And while that is sad, I'm happy I had the adventures and shenanigans I did. At 44, it's probably time to start focusing on keeping my joints greased and bio-hacking so that I can enjoy the next big thing, if there's one. But if there isn't, it was a great ride.
"Do you think we will remember what a Ridill or adaberk was when we are in our 40's?"
- If you're out there Tibal and Viero, I guess this finally answers it.

Prime out. peace all

Unrealistic? Asking for a line of game to exploit what made them great in the first place is unrealistic? I have never played Devil May Cry, because I am a FF1-9, Tactics kind of player. If you make an edgy boy-band game with DMC mechanics, the FF Tactics fans aren't gonna appreciate it.


Baldur's Gate 3 came out just in time to prove that you don't have to go the Ubisoft way. The OG audience is strong, and you can't please them with AAA flashy tik-tok bs.

Marvel's Avengers - 67
Balan Wonderworld - 36-51 depending on console
Outriders - 73
Babylon's Fall - 41-46
Chocobo GP - 63
Stranger of Paradise: FF Origin - 72
DioField Chronicle - 66-71
Harvestella - 74
Forespoken - 64
Echoes of Mana - Phone game that barely lasted a year...

Look I can cherry pick games too. Look at all those hot new IPs since 2020.

Just your opinion, which I disagree with. Have you thought its because the game has aged significantly in that time and people just go their own way, especially when the content was drip fed due to them focusing on other projects? Salvage bans... IDK why people keep bringing that up like its relevant. Those players did not matter, if it wasn't for that exploit it would have been one of the many that came since. The majority of those players that got banned and quit because of it, all came back at various eras of the games life.

I don't think you know the meaning of the word unrealistic. You can't use unrealistic to something that has already been made possible.

To your speculation. You skipped the Baldur's Gate 3 comment (and probably another 5 pages of content in this thread).

I think aging yourself out of video games is silly, since your age group is the exact same as those who still develop MMOs (even older too!).

Yes 2009 Duping Bans killed off most NA endgame, but so did SE caving into the news media over Pandemonium Warden's 20+ hour matter, instead of issuing an emergency maint for aydewa and just fixing the NM. (Context: After PW JP issue SE put a despawn timer on NM's and eventually began phasing into the current ??? Honey Wine mechanic.)

The truth is, FFXI was since day 1, under a VERY WEAK yes man, who submitted to time constraints that eventually cost him his career, his reputation, and nearly bankrupted Square Enix when he directed FFXIV 1.0 This individual had his personal yes-men Matsui and Fuji take over FFXI using the model they were raised on. FFXI only lives because of wardrobes turning every player into (2) minimum and SE intentionally overlooking and welcoming people paying $125 a month to multibox using addons.

Also to Draylo's point, the salvage bans were almost exclusively NA specific, and I'd even argue based on the documented history of XI on BG Wiki, that it was SE finally saying "JP ONRY" to the NA community with regard to community care, the same issue we face today with Sortie and other content.

Big development company makes both good and not so good games. More news at 5.

Regarding FFXI specifically, from reading just this thread alone, it just seems like people are in the different stages of dealing with 11 being gone at some point in the future and SE stopping supporting it. Hence the arguments.

Some are blaming the direction the company is taking and while I get that to some degree, you don't think people thought that about 11 being made at the time it was too? SE putting a lot of resources into an MMO?

Ultimately as time goes on, things change. Companies will always be chasing (for better or worse) what makes the most profit to keep their shareholders happy, that's capitalism unfortunately. 11 was born out of the same theory and along with 14 are and have been extremely profitable. 11 is now struggling to keep it's profitability so they are slowly winding it down, stripping down it's development resources.

I think the problem is more that the industry is advancing technologically, and the ones who are driving that are 10-20 years younger and so they want to bake their own cake. FFXI is too old for the industry so the company secretly wants it to disappear and go away.

Yeah, if 11 was easy to bring up to modern industry standards (getting rid of PlayOnline for a start) then SE would because they know they still do have a loyal fanbase hooked on this game and modernising it would at least potentially bring in new blood. Unfortunately it isn't easy and the game is starting to be seen more as a problem rather than the amazing profitable game that it was previously.

I don't disagree at all Hop.

However, I think a lot of SE's issues can be resolved with one thing: Volunteers.

The same volunteers that are feeding and driving dozens of XI Private Servers (some more popular than others).

Like with anything in the world, there's people who in droves would line up for an undertaking this daunting just for the sake of recognition or nostalgia, despite the hopelessness SE shares with all of its products.

There's a million different ways to properly cook a brisket, bacon, or grill a cheeseburger, SE sadly just decided to leave a leaking gas stove in their kitchen that has all of their IP's except FFXIV.

...Volunteers? What do you picture SE looks like in Tokyo, your local Baptist Church getting ready for Bingo Night?