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Ixion Lore and Proc Attempts
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By Odin.Bangla 2023-07-27 14:25:31
I would be glad to see such an update, any update with information. Until then may as well waste time trying out stuff.
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Fenrir.Jinxs
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-07-27 14:26:25
I am assuming but I don't think it is something you can do solo because of positioning. It's not like a hydra where you can get to the heads by moving around, because ixion trys to face you at all times.
Especially because ai, conal attacks etc.
I hate to beat the dead horse but until we see the horn break I think we should focus on that.
Meaning 2 decent dds or 1 dd and a tank that can bounce hate from the side of the face.
I don't think it can be done from directly in front.
I've tried to comb through old ixion related threads but could not find too much, just an old strat about the benefits of keeping the horn.
Asura.Cthaeh
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-27 14:37:22
It's a charge animation he uses before he can use lightning spear or wrath of Zeus. Maybe the clue are these two attacks both relating to lightning and you're supposed to retaliate with a earth or water attack within a certain timeframe?
You'd think with the prevalent mage meta it would happen frequently by accident but someone mentioned it dies within very few SC + MB and doesn't get a chance to get many WS off so that might be a explanation.
maybe University's RDM always used earth enspell since ixion seems lightning aligned and the explanation for the MNK + 5 trusts could be one of the trusts beeing for example arciela II and she nuked the right element at the right moment?
There are a couple of trusts that exploit enemy elemental weakness according to the wiki, among them are rainmard (enspell, probably has trouble hitting tho), Robel-Akbel, Adelheid (chooses storm effects aligning either with enemy weakness or day/weather) and Mumor II. If the weakness really is earth then rosulatia might also have be a good chance landing at the right moment?
Then again afaik all the other conditions had pretty much zero hints pointing at them, which is infuriating imho.
Had enstone up full time at least 2 of these fights, so if it is related to stone, enstone doesn't seem to count
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Fenrir.Jinxs
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-07-27 14:50:12
Also for all of you focused on magic...
I am surprised but I don't see 50% element of the day in the list of something along those lines.
I see lots of other type of magic testing.
Asura.Cthaeh
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-27 14:54:57
Also for all of you focused on magic...
I am surprised but I don't see 50% element of the day in the list of something along those lines.
I see lots of other type of magic testing.
I didn't mention it, but it was thunders day when I tried 50% thunder damage
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By klayy 2023-07-27 15:08:33
Tried SC dmg 50%+ front and back. No dice. Ground strike to leaden.... darkness did over 50% both times.
By zixxer 2023-07-27 15:16:36
Has anyone tried just 1 person WSsing on it?
By klayy 2023-07-27 15:21:04
yeah pretty sure I did that a few days ago. Got rid of august and had my COR just burn it down with leadens and wildfires. other trusts woulda been monberaux who i guess has some weird "his stuff is a WS" stuff .. but im also pretty sure ive seen a COR do all the WS for an SC and ppl burst off him.
Im starting to doubt its a 50% dmg type deal at this point. Which would be annoying. Once you have to open up the entire playbook of possibilities, wouldnt even know where to start.
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By Ragnarok.Vargasfinio 2023-07-27 15:52:50
At this point I really think it is map position based. The En-Gravity would make this "difficult", as would linking with Veelas.
The problem is that F is pretty big...
By Taint 2023-07-27 16:01:36
2 Pixies in the first room, maybe kill there? Worth a shot if you have time.
By Pantafernando 2023-07-27 16:23:56
yesterday i pulled it from the last big room, with veelas.
i dont remember them linking
Fenrir.Jinxs
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-07-27 16:41:19
E) Vanquish Esurient Botulus using Weapon Skills from behind it.
G) Vanquish Gyvewrapped Naraka
H) Vanquish Haughty Tulittia after doing X-Amount of Indirect Damage through the form of AoE's targeted on another monster.
(approx. 50%)
F) Unkown
Well if E G turn out to be opposites with the 50% rule.
What would be the opposite of H?
Valefor.Aspens
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By Valefor.Aspens 2023-07-27 17:10:34
no race can do >50% total damage
or
each race needs to do >10%
SE getting wild
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-07-27 17:12:06
I got it: 50% crit damage
Ok jokes aside, maybe 50% SC dmg? There were a couple tried already (16, 20, 27, 28), but its hard to tell from those notes if they actually broke the 50% SC dmg threshold. 50% SC dmg sounds baked, but so does 50% indirect dmg, and thats a requirement for H.
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Fenrir.Velner
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By Fenrir.Velner 2023-07-27 17:14:19
Has anyone tried just 1 person WSsing on it?
I have done this. The testing of damage only from the side, only the COR was dealing any damage at all.
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Fenrir.Jinxs
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-07-27 17:14:39
How big have our communities magic burst tests been?
By Dodik 2023-07-27 17:17:45
Didn't the unicorn ambu mob absorb TP moves when he was charging up his horn shooting move or something.
Maybe doing TP moves only in a certain window while he does his horn charge thing. Or WS only when he's not charging his laser.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-07-27 17:23:34
How big have our communities magic burst tests been? I believe there were numerous posts of people killing it with MB stacked groups.
By klayy 2023-07-27 17:27:23
I tried/did 50% SC dmg front back today. One time used ground strike to open, leaden from the back. Had to kill malaise cuz leaden was too OP lol. Once I gimped myself, I was able to have darkness do 64% of the dmg. 2nd try was SCH distortion into leaden from the front. Darkness accounted for like 59% of the dmg.
By klayy 2023-07-27 17:33:11
one thing I wondered about was the last darkness. Like horse was at 21%, then I deleted it. 99999 darkness but some of that was "air DPS" as it were. Even so.... even if only idk 10K of it counted, still feel like the condition was satisfied.. cant seem to just drop the ss in here lol wants a URL w/e
Skillchain 39996 58.3%
COR 282025 41.1%
SCH stuff accounted for the other 4-5K
Even if you take away the entirety of my last 99999 darkness, i'm still comfortably over 287K
By klayy 2023-07-27 17:44:49
Im starting to veer into dumb things like kill one elemental then kill horse with the same element of the one u just killed. So you wanna kill w leaden, get a dark ele. kill with seraph, grab a light. At least then you'd have a say in the matter and could in theory set yourself up for success.
Dragging and killing in a certain place seems at least like it could be on the table. There's next to no non-magic aggro in there. Whether or not the early chest reports all accidentally managed to kill it in the same spot seems dubious. And I would imagine that other than on top of the bitzer or the boss portal, it's probably died everywhere else by now.
if its some type of 50% dmg deal like the others.. im kinda out of ideas :P. free nuking it down 50% seems ludicrous. Id be annoyed if SC dmg worked from the left or the right. We bursted 60% off him from the front yesterday. Other directions not so much. But good luck bursting it that much melee way.
I mean it's SE so maybe they'd just *** us over that way but I cant envision it being something that you couldn't do melee or mage way, showing up on darksday or w/e shouldnt automatically mess you up, etc. It should be something you could show up and just do in a minute or two successfully each time provided you understood the assignment. And on top of all that, basically no one has accidentally done it. Thats why I thought SC dmg % at least had a shot.
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By klayy 2023-07-27 17:49:00
oh pretty sure the suggestion of just not killing it doesnt work either. I mean tbh I didnt lol at the idea too much lol. We kill those delve mobs often at the end of a run if time. If horse is in that room and comes with them on the pull, he's just chilling there aggroed while we drop all the nakuals first... so at least 2-3 minutes of being aggroed and not dying.
I guess whether or not you might have to S/I and stare at it like G bitzer could be a thing. But yeah...
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2023-07-27 17:52:51
All of the elementals in that area are the ones that represent the level 2 skillchains. Maybe we have to do Fragmentation, Fusion, Distortion and Gravitation on it?
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-27 18:13:01
I submitted a bug report on the official forums. If it's not a bug, then ideally SE will respond. If it is a bug then ideally SE will list it as a known bug. If people "thumbs-up" the report, I assume it would increase the odds someone from SE will review it?
Bug report link is below.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/60990-Sortie-Sector-F-Objective-Vanquish-Fetid-Ixion-Not-Yielding-Chest-F?p=656033#post656033
Never reported a bug before so hopefully I characterized it properly, following the recommended format.
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Asura.Cthaeh
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-27 20:59:46
More observations and more things ruled out, but still no chest.
Went in BLU this time.
First off, I was mistaken, or decieved rather, and there is an aura. F Ixion peridoically charges his horn with an animation that makes lightning shoot to the top of it, it also gives him an aura (that looks like darkness). That aura drops when he uses Wrath of Zeus, Lightning Spear, or Dansel Memento(This is why I wasn't notice the aura, because I was enfeebling the hell out of him on RDM forcing him to use DM often).
About the aura. He seems to only use Wrath of Zeus while the aura is up, but if it drops he is still charged for lightning spear (sadly preventing this isn't it though as I killed multiple times tonight without him ever using it). Twice, when he put up the aura I disengaged and kited him to another room. When he caught up to me, the aura was gone but this still didn't give me the chest and I'm writing it off as he stopped and used DM and dropped the aura.
I also tried breaking the horn with various things while aura was up (elemental damage, spike WS damage, Crit WS, etc.) You can extend the aura for quite a while to test things by disengaging while it is up and feeding him not tp. Tried subduction spam until he had enough tp to use Lightning Spear at one point. Also tried spells/WS from behind using EV as a tank. Tried every element during aura as well, he is very resistant to light with aura up.
Things ruled out: No damage while aura is up, spike damage from front/behind while aura is up, elemental wheel while aura is up, WS during charge animation, WS during TP moves, spells during charge animation, spells during TP moves, stunning(seems immune), running away during WoZ, landing a melee hit with no weapon equipped, 6+ various WS while fighting, 30 spells landed during fight, forcing Dansel Memento 10+ times during one fight.
Next trial, the main thing I want to try is avoiding both lightning spear/WoZ all together, as I noticed when I was disengaging he would generally use DM and drop the aura, but LS would come 2-3 WS later so I was only avoiding WoZ.
By Felgarr 2023-07-27 21:07:39
Going by Illuminate's list, has anyone considered:
1.) Killing Ixion with the same element(s) of the Elementals that he spawns/appears in?
2.) Killing Ixion with the opposite element(s) of the Elementals that he spawns/appears in?
3.) Killing Ixion after pulling him to Elementals opposite to the ones that he appeared in?
4.) Obvious one: Killing him, in the group of Elementals, where he stands?
Just grasping at straws here.
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By Univarsity 2023-07-27 21:29:05
Going by Illuminate's list, has anyone considered:
1.) Killing Ixion with the same element(s) of the Elementals that he spawns/appears in?
2.) Killing Ixion with the opposite element(s) of the Elementals that he spawns/appears in?
3.) Killing Ixion after pulling him to Elementals opposite to the ones that he appeared in?
4.) Obvious one: Killing him, in the group of Elementals, where he stands?
Just grasping at straws here. Try this and maybe even have agro/hate on the elementals while killimg the Ixion, and or try to AoE WS hit the elementals with the Ixion. Just have to try everything. I havnt been able to try anything myself because I've been focusing on Galli runs.
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2023-07-27 22:04:46
Anyone try no WS or magic. Only white damage?
By Taint 2023-07-27 22:09:18
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »Anyone try no WS or magic. Only white damage?
Yes, no chest
I had a revelation last night. What if Ixion from historical greek mythology has the actual hint/ answer to proccing Ixion? See below post copy and pasted from wikipedia and my guesses at possible Ixion proc:
Ixion married Dia,[1] a daughter of Deioneus (or Eioneus), and promised his father-in-law a valuable present. However, he did not pay the bride price, so Deioneus stole [2] some of Ixion's horses in retaliation. Ixion concealed his resentment and invited his father-in-law to a feast at Larissa. When Deioneus arrived, Ixion pushed him into a bed of burning coals and wood [3]. These circumstances are secondary to the fact of Ixion's primordial act of murder; it could be accounted for quite differently: in the Greek Anthology (iii.12), among a collection of inscriptions from a temple in Cyzicus, is an epigrammatic description of Ixion slaying Phorbas and Polymelos, who had slain his mother, Megara, the "great one".
Ixion went mad, defiled by his act; the neighboring princes were so offended by this act of treachery and violation of xenia that they refused to perform the rituals that would cleanse Ixion of his guilt (see catharsis)[4]. Thereafter, Ixion lived as an outlaw and was shunned. By killing his father-in-law, Ixion was reckoned the first man guilty of kin-slaying in Greek mythology.
This act alone would warrant Ixion a terrible punishment, but Zeus took pity on Ixion and brought him to Olympus and introduced him at the table of the gods. Instead of being grateful, Ixion grew lustful for Hera, Zeus's wife, a further violation of guest–host relations. Zeus found out about his intentions and made a cloud in the shape of Hera, which became known as Nephele (from nephos "cloud") and tricked Ixion into coupling with it. From the union of Ixion and the false-Hera cloud came Imbros or Centauros, who mated with the Magnesian mares on Mount Pelion, Pindar told, engendering the race of Centaurs, who are called the Ixionidae from their descent.
Ixion was expelled from Olympus and blasted with a thunderbolt [5]. Zeus ordered Hermes to bind Ixion to a winged fiery wheel [6] [7] that was always spinning. Therefore, Ixion was bound to a burning solar wheel for all eternity, at first spinning across the heavens, but in later myth transferred to Tartarus [8]. Only when Orpheus [9] played his lyre during his trip to the Underworld to rescue Eurydice did it stop for a while [10][11].
[1] Cast Dia on Ixion (Dia 1? Dia 2? Light Shot?)
[2] Steal, Mug, or Despoil the Horse?
[3] Craft near Ixion... so he can be pushed in?
[4] Cast onto Ixion, Cure, Erase, Viruna, Esuna, Holy, Holy II?
[5] Have a BLU use Thunderbolt (Learned from behemoth) on Ixion
[6] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion starting with Fire (Fire > Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice)
[7] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion ending with Fire
(Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice > Fire)
[8] Cast Banish on Ixion to banish him to Tartarus...
[9] Equip an Orpheus Sash While playing a harp song near Ixion
[10] Sing a song while engaged on Ixion using a harp
[11] Sing a song debuff on Ixion using a harp
Please let one of the above memes actually be the answer.
Happy (proc) hunting
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