I don't think doing ~5 Seraph Blades is enough to counteract his entire setting the stage. Probably need to do light damage like 20 times. Maybe it's "do light damage 3x in 5 seconds". Has anyone seen the 2 blue !! from a Seraph Blade before? It's clearly a much higher proc rate. Or maybe you need to have the metal, and people aren't bothering to get it in these groups. IDK.
SE has explained the mechanics and people are still complaining that it's broken. Do they need to hand-hold walk you through exactly how everything works in painstaking detail?
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Guyford said: » So I can say for certain that seraph blade does not work on tribolex. Whenever our sch can't make sortie, we do a rdm based melee setup and kill AECG with grav and seraph <-> RLB scs on the basement boses. Once we had grav wear on tribolex at like 5% and it ran over to the bound tank and used setting the stage for 20-30k to everyone. I would assume that the melee light damage not counting thing includes ele wses? Would trueflight be out too? Which means they're expecting us to burst banish holy and luminohelix 2 on it? Or is spamming dia like 20 times gonna be the trick? Talked to some of team mates and True Flight doesn't seem to count either. We do Trueflight -> Fusion -> Trueflight for non-stop fire bursting, those TF's are doing 80-99K damage each and the final Light is also doing 99K (if light or fire depending if Rayke is on it). We've had a situation happen that caused it to explode and still do massive damage. So either there is another condition that wipes the counter, or it's not counting WS's. I don't think anyone's bothered casting Dia / Banish / Holy / Luminohelix on it in our group. And yes we kill the four armed dude every time cause he's really that easy. The mechanic is broken, or is spell only. Asura.Saevel said: » The mechanic is broken, or is spell only. Or it's 3 light-based damages in a row. Or 5 in a 5 second window.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Asura.Saevel said: » The mechanic is broken, or is spell only. Or it's 3 light-based damages in a row. Or 5 in a 5 second window. They already told us, it's light damage and is not some crazy random thing as some groups have accidentally done it before. Chances are it's just not counting elemental damage from WS's and instead from spells. No idea if that is WAI or is a bug. Folks will likely just start having a SCH burst a Luminohelix instead of a Pyrohelix. Asura.Saevel said: » They already told us, it's light damage and is not some crazy random thing as some groups have accidentally done it before. Chances are it's just not counting elemental damage from WS's and instead from spells. No idea if that is WAI or is a bug. Folks will likely just start having a SCH burst a Luminohelix instead of a Pyrohelix. It is possible to decrease the damage done by Setting the Stage by repeatedly dealing light-based damage. I think it will be fun as a community to test how to proc each of them and how many procs are necessary to keep it from killing you. Then adjust setups so we can do that while still managing to kill the boss in the correct amount of time. Might be that each proc reduces the damage by half, or 1/4, from 30k -> 15k -> 7.5k etc until it's survivable, and maybe after 10 procs it no longer dispels. Also a dispel every 3 minutes isn't unrecoverable, songs can be back up in ~15 seconds, protectra/shellra/weather take a few, rolls take 20~60 seconds. It's an inconvenience but it's not exactly a wipe, especially since you know it's coming and can be prepared.
Aminion seems quite intimidating, not looking forward to fighting the enraged version of him, but as a capstone to the best weapon in the game, it makes sense to have to fight something hard to finish your weapon. TBH I'm hoping that you need to fight him to get Mesodrites, though I do hope it's 100% drop rate. Asura.Eiryl said: » Enlight only Sorry, I should've quoted further, I didn't realize people who didn't read the director's post would be here. SE said: Note that autoattack-based damage does not count towards this amount.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Asura.Saevel said: » They already told us, it's light damage and is not some crazy random thing as some groups have accidentally done it before. Chances are it's just not counting elemental damage from WS's and instead from spells. No idea if that is WAI or is a bug. Folks will likely just start having a SCH burst a Luminohelix instead of a Pyrohelix. It is possible to decrease the damage done by Setting the Stage by repeatedly dealing light-based damage. Yes and it's been done accidentally so it is not a high bar to reach. Your idea that players are stupid, lazy, dumb and as Steve Jobs said "holding it wrong" is insane and just outright wrong. People far smarter and more experienced then you have tested everything to great lengths, we already knew everything they posted with "light damage" being questionable because several teams using light WS's have still been wiped.
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Oh OK. If teams doing LIGHT FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE LIGHT FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE LIGHT are wiping, the mechanic must be broken. That's 3 light damages in 20 seconds! SE don't know how to program! Herp derp!
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And problem solved, used cancer-be-gone.
Just ignore him Maletaru. You wont convince him anyway that he could be wrong. Even when it will be discovered that it needs to be light damage in a row or higher quantity in shorter time he will never admit he was wrong. I proved him wrong once and isntead of admitting he just blocked me, so he can live in his fantasy world when everyone agreeing with him. Just make yourself a favor and ignore him.
EDIT: nvm he probably blocked you already. Like I said, guy just can't stand anyone with different opinion.
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RLB > Seraph > RLB > Seraph is 3 occurrences of fire, 2 occurrences of Light, and 2 occurrences of stone. That's as much stone as light and neither are the majority.
I'm imagining they are talking about enlight and additional effects from runes for the melee doesn't count. Probably additional affects from ranged ammo as well. It does seem silly to predominantly force divine casting BUT at least it shouldn't be hard to do. SCH/WHM with Daybreak and Rapture is 50 affinity and 71% bonus damage with the +3 hat. If it's about quality hits then SCH is still going to be in the party. If it's quantity then it's easy and who cares. There is nothing wrong with forcing the harder fights after everyone in the party has a stage 4. They messed up on the implementation of that for sure but at least they are talking about it. For people that don't have a full group and will never do any of the basement other than E or maybe G, nothing has changed other than they have more info to play with. Hopefully there isn't a permanent punishment to the people that are going faster and found out, because that's just blunting to interest in the game. SimonSes said: » Meso are almost certainly from enpowered Aminon, otherwise Mischief's group would got one already. They probably killed at least 30+ basement bosses by now. But did they do it while using seal mechanics? Lot of things don't drop X until they are proc'd properly in this game. If there is no !Blue I don't see why that's off the table. It can still be a low drop chance for normal basement bosses and then higher for megaboss. Phoenix.Iocus said: » But did they do it while using seal mechanics? Lot of things don't drop X until they are proc'd properly in this game. If there is no !Blue I don't see why that's off the table. It can still be a low drop chance for normal basement bosses and then higher for megaboss. Maybe, but E doesnt seems to have a proc at all. More like avoiding water damage is the mechanic, so it would be strange, but sure, its still a possibility. Empowered Aminon would be pointless then though, which seems unlikely. Banish/holy exist too which multiple players could potentially have access to, if it is occurrences could also be above certain dmg value
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If I had to guess, I think it works a bit like the Gaol NMs, the first instance of damage opens the window and then subsequent instances will proc blue !!. Seems the more often you do this, the more you impact their "SP" abilities. Maybe you need to do this multiple times (1 SC, 1 MB 5 times) or just one time, really intensely (SC, MB 10 times in a row) or can mix/match the two. If ~15 instances of light damage is enough to prevent Setting the Stage from doing any significant damage, all 5 melee can just spam Seraph Blade, Shining Blade, Seraph Strike, etc. to hit the quota, then push him. WHM can holy. For our setup I think every member could contribute to this, assuming light WS count toward the proc.
Will take some testing for sure. We'll mess around with it a little bit during our runs, but we never hit Setting the Stage right now anyway so can't test the impact on the move. Hopefully these hints will help Mischief et al, and they can provide some feedback on how the procs affect the mechanics. What sources of light dmg are there besides light ws?
Fenrir.Jinxs said: » What sources of light dmg are there besides light ws? Banish holy helix and some blu junk
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SimonSes said: » Phoenix.Iocus said: » But did they do it while using seal mechanics? Lot of things don't drop X until they are proc'd properly in this game. If there is no !Blue I don't see why that's off the table. It can still be a low drop chance for normal basement bosses and then higher for megaboss. Maybe, but E doesnt seems to have a proc at all. More like avoiding water damage is the mechanic, so it would be strange, but sure, its still a possibility. Empowered Aminon would be pointless then though, which seems unlikely. E Boss is a speed bump. It's not surprising that it wasn't inspected heavily. People are looking for Gallimaufry from boss, not understanding unless it gets them more Gallimaufry. Actually rerading the devs post, i noticed one thing that i didnt see discussed here:
Devs says the strategy revolves around two items and not only one. Metals and seals. BG treat seal as "Aminon's Metal", but rereading devs note, it says you need both of them. So, if im understanding correctly, metals allows you to remove the enpowered status ailment, while seal actually protects you from the dmg (for example, in Dhartok, its said that if you deal "certain elemental dmg" - water - the seal gonna degrade. So, i suppose the trick would be farming the seal before bosses, and have it as a safe guard, to mitigate moves dmg Thats what i will do today. Personally ive been struggling to beat Triboulex with my current gear, so i will try farming the seal before the fight, and see if protects me against Setting the Stage
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Fenrir.Jinxs said: » What sources of light dmg are there besides light ws? Banish, Holy, Dia and Luminohelix. I suspect the times it was accidentally proced / reduced involved the SCH using Luminohelix on a burst and possibly the GEO doing Dia on the boss. The dev post only explicitly mentions proccing (two blue exclamation points) for Aita and Gartell.
I wouldn't be surprised if any reference to a "seal" in regards to anything that isn't Aminon is a translation error, since I am fairly positive the people translating this post have zero contextual understanding of its content. I suppose it would be a pretty easy test if anyone HAS the seal and sees a health bar pop up for a seal during any of the basement fights outside of Aminon (or possibly including Aminon?). I guess the biggest mystery now is whether Gartell is bugged or it requires the metal from Ixion. And then whether Ixion is bugged or just extremely esoteric. Swipe/Lunge might also work.
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Bismarck.Ferthe said: » The dev post only explicitly mentions proccing (two blue exclamation points) for Aita and Gartell. I wouldn't be surprised if any reference to a "seal" in regards to anything that isn't Aminon is a translation error, since I am fairly positive the people translating this post have zero contextual understanding of its content. I suppose it would be a pretty easy test if anyone HAS the seal and sees a health bar pop up for a seal during any of the basement fights outside of Aminon (or possibly including Aminon?). I guess the biggest mystery now is whether Gartell is bugged or it requires the metal from Ixion. And then whether Ixion is bugged or just extremely esoteric. Mrxi said: » They did say in the dev post that it is assuming you have the metal and seal. "The mechanic for handling the notorious monster properly revolves around the two temporary items Ra’Kaznar Seal and Ra’kaznar Metal." Could either mean that you need both to properly deal with all the basement bosses OR it could mean you need the metal for the bosses with a metal and a seal for Aminon. I'm not saying it is definitely one or the other, just pointing out that it is ambiguous and translations in the past have been less than accurate. I very highly doubt that the basement boss strategy revolves around having the seal, seeing as how the seal COMES from killing the basement bosses. Also the fact that the seal goes away when you kill Aminion, same as the metal goes away when you kill the basement bosses. Let's not get too literal here...
It seems obvious to me he meant the strategy for weakening the bosses (all 5) involves having the metal (for 4) and seal (for 1). Then he goes on to describe the mechanics. "The strategy for developing and distributing a video game involves computer programming and manufacturing factories" doesn't imply that development requires you to have a manufacturing factory. It could, and maybe you need to do your development inside a factory. Chances are though, it's referring to two different processes with a single sentence. Is it confirmed that metal is the mechanic that was referenced?
I've seen some people also mention a blue proc Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » seeing as how the seal COMES from killing the basement bosses. BG says you need to kill all 4 basement midboss for seals, not bosses. Sounds like the intended progression for casual people would be, killing 1st floor bosses, killing all midboses, then burning a seal in a troublesome boss.
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Pantafernando said: » BG says you need to kill all 4 basement midboss for seals, not bosses. You're right, my mistake. Still though, seems pretty asinine even for SE to go into each basement twice to kill the basement bosses. Pantafernando said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » seeing as how the seal COMES from killing the basement bosses. BG says you need to kill all 4 basement midboss for seals, not bosses. Sounds like the intended progression for casual people would be, killing 1st floor bosses, killing all midboses, then burning a seal in a troublesome boss. I don't think it sounds that way, though I do recognize it could be interpreted that way. As someone who rarely steps foot in F or H and has never killed the midbosses therein I only have assumptions and information from others to go off of. If there is a bar that shows up for a seal alongside the metal in basement boss fights that aren't Aminon then that would be proof positive that the seal can affect those fights. If there is no bar that shows up for the seal in the Aminon fight then everything is a lot more murky. If the bar for the seal shows up for Aminon and no one else, it seems safe to assume that the seal ONLY affects the Aminon fight. |
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