Is Multiboxing A Form Of Pay To Win?

If i buy a Top Tier Endgame ready Account but actually don't know how to play any of the said jobs, is that P2W?

Probably beating a dead horse but no, it's not P2W. Any multiboxer can attest that there is a big time commitment to get all characters/accounts geared up and catch up.

I don't understand what you'd win by multiboxing?

I don't understand why you think having to give effort cancels out paying cash for an advantage. if you buy something you consider to be p2w you still have to use the damn thing.

P2W is the act of buying. It has nothing to do with how you use it. You pay extra for an advantage, or you don't. That's it. That's the entire equation.

(I do, actually)

Triple the effort to gear 3 chars but you also get triple the rewards from any activity that you bring them to, can enter things like delve and vagary solo (massive money), etc. and after a certain point the effort required to gear is no longer a factor since it plateaus. Let's also be clear, it doesn't take a massive investment of resources to make a couple of mules capable of steroiding your main into clearing 90% of the game's content and reaping the benefits. At that point you've got a major advantage in both gil making and content accessibility over a solo player and you can funnel all 3 chars worth of gil into single projects.

This of course is multiplied by # of chars beyond 3 but for me 3 is the perfect spot since it lets me enter any content I want and 3 chars are manageable for me without automation. Most I use are send commands for follow and mounting up. 3 is also enough to do basically anything besides pinnacle endgame like odyssey r15-25/aminon. Can triple box aeonic, dynamis d, etc. which is a clear advantage over other people.

Even aside from the ability to clear content you couldn't otherwise with your new super-trust characters, you win:
-All ambuscade rewards
-Vagary RoE every week
-HTBF personal drops
-Plasm from delve
-WoE rewards
-GF rewards (during campaign)
-Voidwatch rewards
-Statue crusher (during campaign)
-Murky Detritus off W3 boss
-Personal rewards for clearing Dyna[D] bosses for a new player
-Spark/Accolade $$$ every week
-Unity NM rewards

And probably some other stuff that didn't spring to mind for me.

miltiboxing killed the game but on the other hand it also keeps the game alive .

Back in my day, we used to be able to control up to 5 characters at once and only paid like $50 for the entire game.

Farm stuff to NPC so you can use the gil to buy things off AH - P2W.

Multi-box isn't pay to win. It's a different way of experiencing the game.

The tools that ENABLE multi-boxing however... are also not pay-to-win as you don't pay for those tools (typically). They are, however, against the terms and conditions of the game.

All multi-boxing actually does on a game with the population we currently have playing, is ENABLE pay-to-win. You could multi-box with vanilla ffxi; it would just be a shitload of alt-tabbing.

I've read through your post like 5 times and I still have no idea what your point is Ranyaku. You don't need to bot to multi-box, and even if you're playing entirely vanilla, you still gain an advantage, by paying money, when you multi-box.

I play two characters pretty much every time I do anything, except Sortie/Ody. I play completely Vanilla and don't use any lua, addon, plugin, or third-party program. I am paying to win. Every month I get tens or hundreds of millions of gil in items from my alt. If I didn't give SE $20/month (or whatever I'm paying), I would not have that gil. I use that gil to get myself items which allow me to be more successful in the game. Pay -> Win. There are steps in the middle, sure, but if I stopped giving SE money, I would lose those items.

Say for example you already have a mule who's set up with a baseline level of progress, to the point where they can access endgame content. You can bring that character to any of the events I listed above, contribute absolutely nothing and not even look at their screen once, and still get free gil/items. You literally just pay SE $13.95, and they give you plasm, HMP, etc. in exchange.

The causal law “same cause, same effect” is either trivial or false: if the cause of an event E is taken to include less than a complete specification of all the putatively causal factors relevant to the E’s occurrence, then the law is false, since then the occurrence of E could then still be disrupted by some external influence not captured within the specification of the set of E’s causes. But once the state S on an initial value surface is fully specified in sufficient detail including the entire environment of E, this state will generally be so complex that it is highly likely that a state of exactly this kind will never again occur in the history of the universe. That is, true causal regularities of the form “whenever S is instantiated E will occur” will be instantiated at most once.

You know they say that all p2w are created equal, but you look at multibox and you look at Buying gil and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another p2wer, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic multiboxer and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Buying powerleveling to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Buying PL KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Buying gil, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Gilbuyer, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.

So you play on 2 systems? or maybe like this?

Also let us begin discussion how much this man paid and what exactly he won

Old setup

I did have a multi-PC setup way back when (pictured above, don't judge my bedroom) and multi-boxed with multiple boxes, but right now I only have a single PC, so I play with Windower on a single PC. I guess maybe I shouldn't call it "completely" Vanilla, because I use a different launcher, but that's some extreme levels of pedantry and not the topic of this thread.

What, then, is the cause of an event E? It is not enough for defenders of causation simply to give up the principle “same cause, same effect”. The challenge, according to the dominant cause argument, is to find a criterion that somehow allows us to distill a small set of causes from the complete goings-on on an initial value surface S. And causal skeptics argue that physical theories themselves cannot provide such a criterion. If causes determine their effects, nothing short of the complete state on S will classify as the cause or the set of causes of E. This leaves three options, all of which may seem unpalatable for a defender of causation in physics

Someone please help, I think an AI took over Godfry's account

Other than borrowing a friend's account I never went out of my way to mutibox. I just didn't like it. Wasn't a fan of alt-tabing and making things automated just didn't appeal to me when I actually played the game. I liked doing the hardest content. I liked playing with actual people.

I think being angry about P2W is funny in ffxi. Who cares lol. I think its more sadder are the people with 30 mules for dark matter... The *** is wrong with you. Was funny when some derlick was like "*** bumba gear my dark matter augs are better" what a num nut.

Moral of the story:I think its fine to muti-box but don't think its a measure of skill just because you can do AMAN Trove 60 times a month. your pay to win in a 20 year old game, only people calling you out are nerds and me making fun of you lol

I seen a post the other day on Twitter/X.com about a guy who plays sports games and spent several hundred dollars just to advance his character. People in the comments have spent similar high amounts of money in the game.

https://x.com/jabridgeforth/status/1693017158463160509?s=46

Given the game is literally the exact same thing every year with a few minor cosmetic changes, it doesn't seem like multiboxing is really all that bad compared to what these newer games are doing now with their progression model.

Don't care either way, but multiboxing looks pretty tame comparably, though I still think it's a form of p2w, albeit a non modern form (because the game doesn't offer it outright).

In gacha games they define the pay2win players by whale, dolphin, minow, seamonkey lol

2x Mutiboxing vs buying 999mil gil

Buying 999m and paying mercs vs 6x muti boxing that same content

Buying 999m vs having 30 mules to do Aman to sell monthly on asura

skies the limit - who cares... SE certainly doesn't

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Honestly don't know how this thread got so big or how there's any contention here. Multiboxing is paying for an advantage that a single character player can't get no matter what they do, it's that simple. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Multiboxing is paying an advantage to the player to not subject to another one as it can make a party anytime he want.

But character wise, there is nothing inherently unique to multiboxing providing to a character.

In fact, I remember back in abyssea day, supposed "event linkshell" used to bring dozen of players to farm empy weapons under a disguise of "list". In a sense, a player could have 17 other chars at his disposal without paying a single extra penny, without extra effort of customization.

At this current time and age with so few people trying to do something, I would say multiboxing is "pay to play", not "pay to win".

Unless you have some high skills in automation, your boxes are never getting close to a real player performance with same conditions.

For most i believe multiboxing isnt more than some improved trust system with higher tier dmg/buff/cure/IA.

People don't like the stigma attached to the term so they attempt to redefine it to rinse themselves.




Many people do not look for other people to play with because they have alts taking that place in their groups. The solution shouldn't exacerbate the problem, but this one does.

These statements were made by the same person, within minutes of each other.

It sounds like what you're trying to say is there's nothing unique you get from 2boxing that you couldn't possibly get with a single character, because they don't sell a sword of blizzard+5 on a cash shop or something but that's not the measure most people use to check for pay-to-win. If you could buy master levels, would that not be p2w because technically you can also earn them? If SE sold gil in a cash shop, is it no p2w because you can earn gil in-game?

When I came back during the begining of the aeonic era I saw people struggling to kill t1 resji bosses. I was dumbfounding realizing how easy they were to pop and how good the gear was but most people didn't want to help or didn't want to share drops. Was told to mutibox as people would not invite me unless I had another account with others telling me sorry I need to gear my mules too.

After some research, I learned that I could earn and buy a revitalizer. So I would then go on blm, Pop manawall, then pop another revit... get a new one, run to the ??? and pop the fight, starting with manawall up with 2 more ready to use. Soon I had 3 sets of everything outside of bodies.

You can play perfectly fine solo. Mutiboxing is a decision