Is Multiboxing A Form Of Pay To Win?

So if someone comes to you and says "yeah I 6-box" you would agree with them if what they meant was "I play one character and have 5 others who bazaar in various cities"? it just doesn't seem to connect with how I use the phrase.

The whole conversation is about "unnecessary qualifiers"

What if you play with no screens?
Text only is a fun way to play. I only stared at the chat the whole time doing end game as a mage for stun/debuff removal.

Did I spell something wrong to make you think 6 doesn't equal 6?

If you pay for 6 i dont care what you do with them. That's multi (6) boxing.

And now you'll say "but what if I pay some elses account!" "what if I don't log in though!" "what if i only use one at a time"

Pointless whataboutism. Endless pointless scenarios. " I have six accounts open but only one screen is active, guess i'm playing solo lol"

I guess so, I just thought there was more of a consensus on what "multiboxing" was but I guess some people use to encompass something I would not associate as "multiboxing".

to some extent that it is much like the term "botting"

No ones running 5 bazaar mules though. Its such an out of pocket example to try and make.

However, you have your one bazaar mule. A bazaar mule is their own AH with no 7 slot restriction, such items include:
Any REMA currency
Gobbiebag materials
Dyna-d void/shards
Anything that may fetch a decent value but doesnt sell fast enough to waste an AH slot

This second character is always at their spot, always available to move and sell stuff at a higher rate than you could with the AH's 7 slots.

I know this is about multiboxing, but curious from what everyone see's as P2W.

My PC is laggy, and doesn't play as well as every one else. If I have to upgrade my PC components to parse better than others; though I still enjoy the game, am I P2W?

Definitely heard this argument made on FPS games. If you aren't playing on 15 year old hardware at 40 fps, you're on easy mode.

If I pay for X is it P2W?

Yes. The answer is yes.

If your PC is so old that it cant run a 22 year old game properly, thats not P2W, thats just general hardware upkeep.

Hypothetical vs actual. I don't have 5 alts, just wore the shoes to make the point that it's not any harder to carry alts than it is to carry trusts, but you don't get extra loot.

Who get's to make that rule? You saying that a player not being able to afford, "basic", better hardware just speaks to my point.

Theres a difference between "basic better hardware" and using your grandmothers Compaq Presario with 128MB of ram and an Intel Pentium III on a 100GB IDE cabled hard drive running windows xp in 2023

Once again, thats general hardware upkeep.

As far as "who makes the rule", well this this thread seems to be talking about what the definition of P2W is, then the segway is there to discuss the rule of when hardwhere becomes obsolete. And the commonly accepted "rule" is by 5 years is probably time to start looking about upgrades, and by 10 years your hardware is more or less obsolete.


https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/gaming-desktop-computer-dell-7020-tower-intel-i5-4570-upto-3-60-ghz-16gb-ddr3-ram-new-512gb-ssd-radeon-rx-550-4gb-gddr5-gaming-keyboard-mouse-wifi-win-10-pro-refurbished/16484014

Is this a great pc? God no
Can it run FFXI without lag? Absolutely yes.
If you're using such an old *** rig that it cant handle FFXI without lag and over all those years $270 CAD upgrade is so far out of your budget, the $13 monthly sub is probably not a wise investment.

You're not really arguing the point, though. You're trying to say why it should be the minimum barrier to entry when it isn't. FFXI's minimum requirements are pretty clearly stated here:
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/win/win01.html?pageID=win


This setup will likely fail to cap FPS in a busy dynamis D run, especially at a high resolution. So, is it pay to win if you had a setup akin to this and you decided to upgrade it to improve your performance?

Lower your resolution, then you can have the same performance.

Next debate: does having higher resolution graphics provide an advantage?

This conversation is a bit much, even for me. Obviously paying a sub, owning a computer, and having a stable internet connection are not advantages. We can also rule out having electricity, basic mathematical literacy, adequate nutrition...

If you pay for an education which lets you understand the damage formulas used in XI and there for do more dmg, is that P2W?






Yes.

What I have learned from this, and every other thread similar is I need to ask from others if something I want to do is accepted or I will be ridiculed for it, whether I can or not.

I neither agree nor disagree with the original discussion. Some parts of it give advantages, some don't.

For some it may push them outside what they feel comfortable doing in the game; maybe it's overwhelming. Some might enjoy the rush of having to jump back and fourth between multiple accounts. Some of us are masochist and just love to make ourselves suffer with tons of gearswaps, tools and addons. Then you have the people who just think you cheat, and you should die in a fire.

Just like life though, typically a person who can find a way do something faster, and better, and more efficiently they will; some even breaking the law if they can get away with it. Either way, you do you.

The topic is silly, the OP knew that. Everyone gave their opinions. What else we gonna talk about as we realize that ffxi is dying and multiboxing is a large part of that. We went from 18 person to full linkshell 30+ events, people outside alliance just supporting ready to sub in to... 3 person multiboxing 6 man statics over discord which kindof sucks for a mmorpg that anyone that remembers the glory days remember.

It is what it is. But yeah multiboxing is P2W but does it matter in this late day ffxi... not at all. There's not one iota of relevancy of this topic to ffxi except just to debate semantics.

Those specs are equivalent to the minimum specs of games from 2010-2012 era. Yes I checked. Further more, they're literally called minimum specs. If you have a 10-15 year old rig that meets the minimum specs of FFXI, why are you trying to run it at high resolution to begin with?

It's a devil's advocate argument. If you want to speak in absolutes and say that any time you spend money and it increases performance in any way then you're doing p2w.. you should be able to handle the question without diverting.

Certainly, some people will run at high resolution with low framerates instead of suffering grainy pictures. They are absolutely wrong to do so, but improving their PC is literally paying to increase performance.

Just wait until neuralink starts providing some sort of gaming related benefits, then we can really break this conversation open.

Well *** it, if were making nonsensical bad faith arguments, I guess an amputee getting a bionic limb is also p2w.

I'm not sure he is the one diverting this discussion but I'm pretty sure most here have a good idea what the term P2W means within the given context. I'm also pretty sure that those who try to fade the line further and further do it either in a attempt to cope with the fact that they P2W or simply for trolling purposes.

Also, didn't you announce a while ago that you'd waste less time on this board? Dragging a argument from the 100th into the 1000th like that doesn't seem to be time efficiently spent.

I posted several pages ago that it is P2W in all practical circumstances (perhaps not if you don't use any bots or daily rewards, was my exact take). I'm just engaging with the current flow of the thread, which is positing where the line on P2W ends.

As far as my time, I've averaged well under a post per day all year. I'm fine with that. Thank you for your concern, though.

Glad to see you making progress, always happy to help. Does that include sock account posts, though?

These type of discussions almost always start out with a pretty obvious answer and sure enough the usual suspects chime in on their mains and socks with a "or is it", ready to queue the Vsauce theme.

I kind of zoned out around page 6 seeing where this thread is flowing, just checking back to see if the boys already agreed ~ paying for a heart transplant definitely must be P2W and with obama care everyone has basically financed P2W gaming anyway.

The tone of condescension isn't lost on anyone. Also, this thinly-veiled guise of offering advice or being didactic just displays gigawatts of little *** energy.

(If your *** doesn't touch the floor, you should probably lower your voice before speaking to certain people this way. Sorry, not sorry).

In my opinion YES dual box is pay to win.

If you do it ethically, you're going to have to spend some time on the "Alt" character and this will slow down the progress of your "Main" but.

Once the "Alt" is ready as Thorny said, you have a "Hyper-Trust" at your service.

I give examples of the dual box pay to win without being hypocritical.

In the LV75 era, having a WHM lv 75 which allowed power level your parties and your friends' parties was crazy. Even in merit parties you could have that extra healer outside the group and tell your team in /say how much mp you have.

Being able to enter the Assaults, Nyzul, Savage with two or three alts, without problem you could farm that content at your own pace.

Turning Sparks into Gil pre/post nerf, doing it with two or three characters instead of 1 is obviously a huge advantage.

If you have your alt REMA BRD and your Alt Yagrush WHM you could beat 75% of this content alone. Unity, escha zitah, escha ru aun even and even reinsejima. People used to Merc that content and made millions of gil.

Well if you don't do it ethically, people buy REMAS characters for 250-750 dollars. In 2007 most of us were students and we couldn't pay that much money for a game. But nowadays we are close to 40s and if FFXI is our main game, a lot of people would pay 500 Dollars for a REMA BRD and avoid having to do all the work themselves.

So indeed if dual box is pay to win for me, that is why on private server is prohibited.

We are all wrong. Multibox is actually P2L.

You are losing your money, time, friends, family and the opportunitt to do other stuff for literally nothing in return.

Where is the advantage in that?

If your dog needs to go pee but you are playing ffxi, and you hire a dog babysitter to take him out for you is it P2W?

Absolutely. Having a brd multibox to sit at the lamp to buff movement speed or haste, park on a timed lamp and then zone up is what I do if I am doing a mythic. Thankfully don't need anymore (I hope).

That's the spirit!