Is Multiboxing A Form Of Pay To Win?

Gym membership = sub fee


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Is spending money on steroids a type of pay to win? Yes, steroid is an item that gives you advantage. You paid money for an item that boots your gain.

Does buying gym memberships for your your buddies a type of pay-to-win? No. Helping 5 friends become stronger does not disqualify you from any official competition. It also does not boost your gains.

One is even considered cheating, the other is just a choice. If the person wanted to become stronger, faster, he could just buy steroids.

Thanks for providing this example. It's a good one.

1-the juice isnt an inherent gain, and its not similar to p2w mechanics. You can buy a shiny new item without putting any work in. Roids dont put on 20 pounds of muscle every injection.
2-Having a gym buddy absolutely helps your gains.
3-cheating you said? Multiboxing is literally cheating unless you have multiple systems on vanilla. Im sure you use windower and multiple addons and plugins that automate various things, lets not go down that rabbit hole though.

This is laughably incorrect. Taking anabolic steroids will make you put on muscle mass even if you don't change your daily routine.

This is because your normal physique is based on your current daily routine. If you add anabolic steroids even with no additional work, you still get additional gains, which is why they are called performance-enhancing drugs.

Meanwhile, nobody's getting kicked out of the NFL for having a gym partner.

Paying for that gym buddies membership? Oh yeah, P2W!

Anyone that can afford a personal trainer is winning.

Bruh
Im not the one who made the stupid gym partner comparison to multiboxing, he did.

Yes, its a stretch analogy, kinda appropriate though heh.

Not exactly since you are the multibox.

Anyways, hes been rather silent since he mentioned cheating and I called him out about how multibox and windower is also considered cheating.

If you're paying to play, isn't that already pay to win? or pay to lose?

Conversation has just turned into a meme, but no...paying for a single sub is not paying to win, because that's what everyone who plays the game has to do, and it doesn't give an advantage over anyone else, because everyone is doing it and it's a requirement to actually play the game.

Paying for 5 other people's gym memberships to give you an advantage in a weight-lifting competition would be paying to win if they make you better at lifting weights. You're literally paying for an advantage against your competitors. There are different standards in weight-lifting than video games, however, so nobody cares about pay-to-win in weight-lifting, so it's a very dumb comparison.

Something something mental gymnastics.

Anyway, this conversation isn't (wasn't originally) about whether multi-boxing is cheating. It is (except maybe .01% of people who play on multiple PCs completely vanilla), but that's not the question at hand. The question is: is it pay to win?

Hey guys, if I had known that buying that Udemy course on lua programming would improve my performance with gearswap I never woulda P2W'd FFXI. I'm sorry!

Of course not. You made a very good point. Ironically, not to defend your position.

Steroid, an item that you buy to enhance your gains.

Do you even lift, son?

Sorry daughter, still waiting for you to show some accountability.

I have carpal tunnel. If I get surgery to fix it and I get better at the game did I P2W?

Edit: I don't really, this is to highlight how reductive your argument becomes. It literally becomes if any money is spent anywhere that results in better performance/reward in game it's P2W.

Its understood that P2W has to be paying the same company within the same product.

RMT is something like getting a turboboost controller and giving it to your 4 yo to farm crystals.

Isn't paying for a sub technically pay to win even for a solo account anyways because for example lets say someone decides to not pay for a month. The person that does pay for that month will have a month advantage over the person that doesn't hence Pay to win.

You guys are welcome. The whole subscription system is pay to win in general.

P2W is beyond the normal player condition.

A sub is the universal starting point. A cent beyond that is paying to get ahead. Everyone paying the 12.95 has the same access to the same everything.

More accounts increase your reward per hour. More freebies. More lotto tickets. More sales space. Timesink skips. All bonuses accessed with cash.

You can achieve most in-game goals faster by multiboxing because it makes large parts of the game effectively 1P content, but winning FFXI is about the friendships you make along the way so it may be more like pay2lose :) (sappy smile)

Paying for internet to play game? Pay to win.

At this rate if your moms has health insurance and you were born in the hospital... guess what...

;)

That made my day.

The second you did content that had a 3 character requirement, but it was just you, you are P2W. Yes it's crappy that you have to pay for QoL or access, but that's what it is. And it's wonderful.

But seriously, make a pocket BRD so you can have friends that you like for who they are, not how many toots they doot. Even if maybe they only like you for your pocket BRD...

The only point of contention here is what constitutes the win.

If multiboxing, your main account is boosting your alts. Your 'effort' is greatly reduced because you use your main account to do it. P2W literally baked in to your justification for why you're not paying to win...

I respectfully disagree.

I commented in this thread I'm sure long ago, or at least one of a similar topic, but I feel with time my opinions have changed. Even considering I'm still a staunch single boxer due to refusal to pay more for this game than just 1 char ;)

I still think those who choose to multibox are looking to circumvent the game mechanics that were designed to keep us a Multiplayer environment. I just no longer consider "winning" a possibility in this game, and as such no one can "pay to win".

Sure, you can pay to increase your speed of growth with multiboxing, you're paying to avoid needing to shout for some gated content by having your own army to enter (Vagary, Delve, Dyna-D unlocks), and you're paying to avoid the dreaded Bad PuG^^ But winning? Nah. The only real "Pay 2 Win" I see is paying for merc services that allow one to afk...I even have a hard time calling paid mercs that require the buyer to participate as 100% P2W.

And maybe for some, that is winning. I sure know I'd miss that elation that comes from getting a natural win over a hard bit of content, and without that the only thing one gets from buying a clear boils down to afking in the gear to show off you got it. Whoopie.

There's nothing to disagree with. You're using 1 sub to boost a second sub.

You're using money to speed up a task.

Wait, you guys are winning??

Disagreeing with facts is disrespectful. Please pick another excuse to make you feel better about multiboxing. This ain't it.

I would have to disagree. First, the task multiboxers are speeding up is a task that a single account player does not have to do at all. Second, you are both discounting the amount of effort and time it took for our mains to be at a point that it is useful to PL and Gear a second account.

P2W, for me, means I get some immediate advantage and multiboxing just does not provide that.

That matters not.

Tinder has p2w, you still have to get the pussy it isn't given to you.

What you do with your p2w status has no change on the purchase to entrance. You buy the ability not the promise of success.

Your opinion is not a fact.


What?

P2W implies winning.