Is Multiboxing A Form Of Pay To Win?

Bingo. Its sportswashing for video gamers....they just want someone to say "its ok, you're no different than Susie Singleboxer". Truth is most of us don't care until a multiboxer is at the exemplar camp we were hoping to get an hour at. Ya. We really don't care for the most part these days, so you can stop seeking approval. If you want that, get a dog.

Sure......... except for the fact that

A) Player characters are magnitudes stronger than trusts
B) Player characters aren't inhibited by shitty AI
C) You receive all of the rewards from an event, no splitting between people
D) You multiply your rewards from personal spoils events by n times where n = your number of characters

All of these rewards can then be pooled and put toward anything you want to accelerate growth and progression, all while not having split any of said rewards with other people or, in the case of some events like Vagary and Delve, simply being able to go in by yourself at all is a major advantage.

Saying there's "nothing inherently unique" is cope.

This feels like an odd time to ask a question like this given that its been pretty common for many people to have at least 2 accounts in the game for at least 15+ years. The only reason I can see it not really coming up as an issue in the past was because it was a slog to get characters leveled up and caught up in content. Plus back then it could be pretty intensive running more than 3 accounts on a single rig.

Of course it's a form of pay-to-win. The advantages of multiboxing are numerous and blatant. It's peak cope to pretend otherwise.

The proposition shows what it says, the tautology and the contradiction that they say nothing.

The tautology has no truth-conditions, for it is unconditionally true; and the contradiction is on no condition true.

Tautology and contradiction are without sense.

(Like the point from which two arrows go out in opposite directions.)

(I know, e.g. nothing about the weather, when I know that it rains or does not rain.)


Tautology and contradiction are, however, not nonsensical; they are part of the symbolism, in the same way that "0" is part of the symbolism of Arithmetic.

Wut.

I'm not against what your saying. I just think that $1 mules have to also be included in this definition of P2W. Basically, if you're paying more than $12.99, then it must be pay to win, right?

What about the folks with Logitech G-Key macro keyboards though? You have to be all-inclusive of the P2W definition OR none of it is.

The variability is the "win" portion. If everyone can do it, and it's available through SE's own account management system and their basic sanctioned channels, then it's not really winning. It's just others are choosing not to use the system to the same extent as the mutli-boxers. Not the same definition. Not an apples to apples comparison.

you're talking about very basic content and putting no effort into the alts. i'm talking about alts geared as well as a main that can fill in vital roles when people don't show up to events. even still, a few hours spent unlocking HTBF would pay off in a few hours of doing the HTBF after they're unlocked.

You have to draw the line somewhere or idiots will whatabout infinite dipshit scenarios.

what about buying a special nail file for your fingernails for better button pressing.

what about buying better key switches to get faster millisecond responses.

what about buying coke to play more hours.

what about paying adoption of a child and making them play for you.

It's just pathetic and sad.

Yes, $1 mules are P2W. I couldn't testify, but I would certainly wager heavy that more Ashera Harness came from trove mules than actually dropped in Omen. More pulse weapons from trove than VW/MB/Legion, more crep cloaks than Shinryu, so on... All dropping to mules and sold or sent to mains.


P2W is only used to describe goods or services purchased directly from the game company.

Buying a WoW token to exchange for gold is pay to win.
Buying gold from a third party website is RMT.


I can't really answer your question about the keyboard because there's not enough information. What does a G-Key allow you to do that you can't do with a standard 'gaming keyboard'? Preemptively putting this one in 'cheating' category since that's likely where SE would put third party software/hardware.

It's no longer 3rd party if you make it yourself. :I

Good joke, but 3rd party in this case refers to SE, not the user. First party tools would be those made by SE, not those made by the end user (yourself).

This dog just read your live advice, can you see the approval in his eyes?

When multiboxers pay we all win. Hear me out.

SE made supports monumentally powerful, a single alt that brings buffs and some heals is game changing. So much so that after some time goes by that person, with practice and some gear is now generating a good deal of player economy items. All while generating sub revenue for SE. Oseem stones, swarts, unity items, the list goes on. Ease of execution allows you to carry your buds. Which opens more doors to them and the people they meet. They get gear, they make new friends and all the while SE gets paid. It snowballs really fast if you let your brain folds think about it for a few minutes. At the end of the day multiboxing contributes to the player economy, it enables small friend circles to actually play the game(when we have time these days), it allows easier access to content with all level of players. It literally greases all the wheels and it does it all while it pays SE.

Have I personally used 3rd party tools to have a fun time with friends? *** yea I did, and I'll continue to do so. If SE is so hurt by it they can ban me and I'll spend the dollars elsewhere. So would the friends.

Is it cheating? Yes.
Do I care? No.
Should you? Also no.
Does SE care? Who cares what the wallet suckling bean counters at SE think.

Wouldn't know. I *** hate dogs and will stick with my cats that require earning of love vs just giving it out to anyone with a leg to hump or a cookie to eat.

How is this still going other than boredom?

It's rather tame as far as flaming goes, and seeing some of the cognitive dissonance and other joke posts in it is hilarious.

You gotta let threads like this breathe, or people will feel like they can't talk about anything at all.

Hah, that reminds me back in collage. I dualboxed with my laptop and xbox. It was chaotic.

My setup was 1 tv and 2 ps2s lol... would have to switch inputs to see the other char... fun ensued when I would grab the wrong controllers... getting different coloured controllers when I broke one of them helped.

I've told people off for shouting for PUGs and not saying the 2/6 or 3/6 they're shouting is them and their alts.

Ain't no one about to start including "it's my 2box" in a shout. You may as well give that up right now lol.

No, but they can say "these two/three are my alts" or whatever when you join. Not pretend they're human then struggle to play them.

The people who bring their boxes preshout are the kind that are doing it specifically for the increased rewards.

You're expecting way to much thinking they'll disclose that.

Free tip though; If the shout is 2~3/6 and does not include brd/cor/geo They are boxes. 99.99999% of the time. Absolutely no one starts a shout with a support "friend". And it's relatively rare for a person to box tanks and/or 2 dds.

When I shout for Ody C I start with minimum WHM, BRD, and COR (we do not bring GEO so it doesn't count), and each one of us is an individual player. Not everyone is on Asura.

You're the .00000001%

It's common for multibox to drag their alts through ambu for the money rewards. They don't want to say they're multiboxing because it's more of an admission that they're asking you to help carry their alts.

If I bring my alts with me to ambu it is typically just to farm seals weekly. If I were ever to do anything I would make it clear I was multi-boxing... I think it is all a sliding scale. I think when most think of pay to win multi boxing is not at the extreme end. I can tell you that if I put effort into a single character I would probably have a "richer" character, That being said, it is different kinds of work. Instead of grinding out alts, I would probably be shouting and trying to make statics work. Not everyone is able to commit to schedules. Some have work or other commitments, or medical things they have to do. I can say that it is also a different game when you can multi-box. The loading times alone for the game are enough to make me go crazy so swtiching between characters keeps me playing and helping to pay the bills. I actually was thinking about that with reguard to RMT as well. It is easy for a lot of us to say 'oh the thing that I do is ok, but not what others do' technically I suppose those of us paying monthly fees are "paying to win" relative the folks sticking it out for the free login campaign... I know I was free login only for about 6 of my 20 years in the game.

Interresting thought discussion and I am undoubtedly biased having taken over my wife's account ages ago and then foolishly moving to 3 characters because I hate having a relaxing time playing the game aparrently... lol. I always call when I can actually make linkshell events work for my energy/schedule like a vacation if I can single box. I love doing ambu with folks single box... ya the rewards take longer, and I def would like to swap chars in and out if they are at the same level. Again, single vs. multi-box is 2 different games imho. I like them both, I wish I could make the former work better, but sadly life doesn't always work out that way.

Most of the time when I join a shout as a DD someone opens their *** mouth about my bard and they end up wanting me to swap to it

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