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So why did you quit? (and still read FFXIAH?)
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By Odin.Senaki 2023-06-19 14:56:30
early erectile dysfunction from lack of regular blood circulation Wait, what?
If sitting at your desk does this, wouldn't every single white collar male employee have this issue?
Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-06-19 14:59:29
I tried to make that condensed with the whole Dying part...
I forgot to add the part where they are in heaven thinking about how cool they are because they didn't use ja0wait
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By Meeble 2023-06-19 15:00:08
What makes horizontal progression fun is that you can do wide variety of different content for progression. For example, if you want to grind 200m for a rema, you can do dyna D for unlock/gil, omen for gil, ambu for gil, or you can solo salvage for gil, join seg farm for gil. There are more than one way to farm your 200m for your rema which makes the grinding less boring.
Or you can spend all that time doing Sortie instead and get nuffin' but muffins for your /playtime. Maybe a +1 earring for some job you don't play.
In some other, better, reality, Sortie is 30 minutes long, offers gil/EP/sellable rewards, you can teleport to/from Gadgets as well as devices, and Prime upgrades rely mainly on time-gated psyches and objective-based *ite drops instead of empy upgrade currency. People who enjoy it can run it every day; People who don't can make slower, but still meaningful progress going once or twice a week while doing other events as well.
If only.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-06-19 15:02:26
I personally feel 4-5 content that co-exists and drops newest relevant gears would be ideal for a horizontal progression game. 2 is not enough for me personally.
I mean, I don't disagree with this in theory, but what dev team do you think they have that they could've made 4-5 new content to do to grind your weapons?
I guess they could make things tradable/sellable, in which case you can just use gil from any event to buy the stuff for your prime/ody gear, but like...my god is it so lame (imho) to get gear through gil. Sure, you could get it by grinding 200h of different, variety content; alternatively, you can just buy the gil, or make the gil merc'ing content, or get lucky from AMAN trove, gobbie box, a friend retiring, or some lucky synthesis...IDK that's lame to me.
By Afania 2023-06-19 15:26:26
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »I mean, I don't disagree with this in theory, but what dev team do you think they have that they could've made 4-5 new content to do to grind your weapons?
From 2015 to 2017 SE released SR, Omen, 3 Escha zones, monthly ambu, master trials, and some bcnm and UNM that I don't remember (I think?). All within 2-3 years. So it really should be doable for SE according to what they've done in the past.
If I remember correctly it's also the time that FFXI population increased. Shows how successful horizontal progression can be.
In past 3 years they choose to use development time and money on long TVR story sequences, ML camps, higher tiers of Odyssey and even higher tiers. Yeah, so we get reduced endgame content variety as the result.
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »I guess they could make things tradable/sellable, in which case you can just use gil from any event to buy the stuff for your prime/ody gear, but like...my god is it so lame (imho) to get gear through gil.
It doesn't have to be buyable with gil, it can be currency from different newer content.
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By Seun 2023-06-19 15:50:05
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »I guess they could make things tradable/sellable, in which case you can just use gil from any event to buy the stuff for your prime/ody gear, but like...my god is it so lame (imho) to get gear through gil.
It doesn't have to be buyable with gil, it can be currency or ex/rare from different newer content.
I really don't think it would matter if you could get muffins from whatever content we wanted. The cost of the weapons would be adjusted so you're still grinding for 8 months to completion anyway. People would still be upset.
Ragnarok.Zeig
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2023-06-19 16:05:59
SE is not owned by Chinese....=.= Thanks for pointing this out. I spent 5 minutes trying to find the truth about this lol
Ragnarok.Primex
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-06-19 16:12:01
early erectile dysfunction from lack of regular blood circulation Wait, what?
If sitting at your desk does this, wouldn't every single white collar male employee have this issue? it does more than make your peepee soft. Sitting for prolonged hours is a faster way towards death than a lot of bad habits like smoking.
https://theheartfoundation.org/2019/08/10/is-sitting-the-new-smoking/
edit: i was mistaken about SE being owned by a chinese investment fund. Confused my facts. However, they did have a lot of chinese cash funding a lot of their ventures into china but that seems to have gone away.
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By Draylo 2023-06-19 17:32:44
When was the last time you paid a sub for 11? I have paid a sub continuously since PC retail release. I have never taken a break from paying, even when I've taken a break from the game. I paid for several until recently, when I finally made peace with the fact that I wasn't ever going to triplebox again.
I'm gonna tell you something now, something real, and true, that you will not and probably can not believe, but: I want XI to return to glory more than anyone. More than you, more than <insert whoever you like here, but I won't because it'd be rude to name-drop>. I am number *** one on those particular power rankings, and I don't give a ***if you believe me or not, because it's 100% the truth. I had some of the very best moments (non-wedding/childbirth division) of my entire life, and made friends who I still talk to, to this day. I've hired some of them professionally. XI made my life substantially better in multiple ways, and the burning in my heart for its revival exceeds any emotion you have ever had.
But I can like more than one thing, and I can do math. You don't seem capable of either of those.
You keep tossing out things about XVI for some reason; I don't really understand why. XI's fate was written when the Salvage bans happened: you can't nuke a sizable percentage of your most accomplished and active players, especially in a game that rewards slow-burn achievement as much as XI does. SE didn't understand what they were doing, and we can't really know if it would have stopped them even if they had. But everything since 2009 has been steadily trending downward because the population never recovered after that, not in any real way.
So anyway, I don't know why you hate a game you haven't played, or a guy you haven't met, or any of that. I can't really discern your motivations for anything you do, if I'm being honest. All I can do address your words and your actions, which are unhinged beyond the point of parody. So like, as a person? I don't think this is healthy for you, and you should find some other way to spend your time.
I don't think hes unhinged, hes just giving an opinion and one that makes a lot of sense. They are def scaling back on XI and cutting corners everywhere, if you don't believe that is for 16 with its massive budget and advertising campaign... idk what to tell you. Not sure why you are personally attacking him for it though.
Salvage bans were nothing lol, almost 90% of those players came back and recreated characters through the years. If it wasn't Salvage Bans it would be the alex duping or any other number of exploits over the years because those players would not have changed their mindsets. What was SE suppose to do? Ignore that it ever happened? Give me a break lol.
I also love this stupid +1 popularity contest people have in all these threads lately, it just looks cringe.
The problem we face as a community playing a long running game is the company simply does not care in general for any of us, your passion and loyalty for something isn't rewarded or valued. If they can give you less and you will stay, they will give you less and that's as simple as it goes because it's all about the money. Why give someone 10, when they will take 5 and be angry but still keep paying? Buisness 101, straight from the playbook of Blizzard entertainment right before they alienated their entire fanbase.
I value the developers, but I do not value the guy in charge of the division making these money choices becasue he just sees us walking wallets and that's as deep as it goes to him.
When they give you less you have to be willing to give them less money in return, cause if you don't you're admitting they can do whatever they want and you're staying regardless. That's a terrible lesson to teach a corpo suit.
Same with the cash shop stuff, if they can sell you a desired mount instead of giving you it in the game as a drop from content they will do that, cause you're not only going to stay and pay the sub on XIV whether you're mad or not but you're (or enough others) are probably still going to buy it for $35 while being mad too.
You being mad and them making more money > You being happy and making less money.
If anything we have an opportunity here to display our displeasure at a point where it actually matters and will be noticed, becasue if ff16 underperforms as it's looking to they are going to want the other games to carry the losses to make it look less of a disaster. The executives are laser focused right now on the profits and losses of this division due to the ff16 gamble, if you ever wanted to unsub or pay less to show you're annoyed now is the time to do it.
I normally pay way way too much on this game over 6 accounts and multiple AMAN mules, and I've cut back to 1 account at the bare minimum level of support since the producer letter and I'm just going to do other stuff for a while.
Sortie sucks, the removal of developers sucks and VR was honestly cheaply made to a level we have never seen before. I hate to say it cause I really care about this game but maybe the general sentiment of this thread is good and needs to happen.
This sums up how I feel too.
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By Asura.Toeknee 2023-06-19 19:50:43
Why I eventually quit:
1) People left - I've been in the same LS forever and there was always a group of people doing something to join in on. The more that dwindled the less exciting it was to log in everyday.
2) Content - For the longest time FFXI was one of the few MMO's that didn't have daily FOMO inducing crap to do, which is what kept me coming back throughout my breaks. There were upgrades for my fresh max level job, tons of events that offered sidegrades for my 'main' jobs, leveling, crafting, JPs yada yada. Once we shifted to mercing all jobs to an 'acceptable' level, the game felt more like a job than a fun few hours every day.
3) The thought of customizing LUA's for every job I want to play and or recreating macros/gear sets to play everything vanilla is daunting and keeps me from coming back, even casually. There are too many other game options I can just click open and start playing for me to do the legwork and prep required to come back. It used to be a part of the game I enjoyed the most, when I had the time, and now its just not realistic or fun to think about.
I still visit FFXIAH because I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the game I literally grew up playing over the last 20 or so years. Chatting on here scratches the itch that would usually only be scratched by playing, with none of the actual work - which is what FFXI started to feel like.
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By Asura.Hotworks 2023-06-19 21:22:00
I quit cause this site isn't updating all the new RMEAs I've made lately.
Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-06-19 23:50:12
Ha... it stopped working after I got my sam+2 earring
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By Afania 2023-06-20 00:54:58
edit: i was mistaken about SE being owned by a chinese investment fund. Confused my facts. However, they did have a lot of chinese cash funding a lot of their ventures into china but that seems to have gone away.
You meant strategic alliance with Tencent in 2018?
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2018/html/d84907a3a47a137b7d0b21bf9b62f088.html
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/stock/shareholder.html
Idk if Chinese cash is involved in any of the rank 2-9 shareholders, but the % isn't large enough to make too many meaningful decisions anyways.
hes just giving an opinion and one that makes a lot of sense. They are def scaling back on XI and cutting corners everywhere
It's fine to dislike 16 and said SE cut corners on FF11. It's not fine to say Fujito is lying in his own interviews and ff16 pre order number is the main reason behind staff cut. Those are unverified rumors, and it does nothing to help ff11.
When I quit ff11 nearly an year ago because of Odyssey, I listed dozens of ideas on this site to improve this content so it's more entertaining than how I feel about it. I don't claim my ideas are the best ever but at least I believe suggestions on improving the game experience is more helpful than generating rumors and attack SE employees/managers with zero evidence to support the claim.
If you feel ffxi is in a bad situation, post ideas to improve the gaming experience so people stop quitting. Don't generate rumors because Fujito's reason on staff cut is not convincing enough. Besides starting an internet argument I see zero benefit on unverified rumors.
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By Odin.Senaki 2023-06-20 01:22:26
early erectile dysfunction from lack of regular blood circulation Wait, what?
If sitting at your desk does this, wouldn't every single white collar male employee have this issue? it does more than make your peepee soft. Sitting for prolonged hours is a faster way towards death than a lot of bad habits like smoking.
https://theheartfoundation.org/2019/08/10/is-sitting-the-new-smoking/
«Cuando tienes dos años más por universidad…»
Well, I’m figuratively screwed.
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By Foxfire 2023-06-20 01:36:58
That Spanish sentence made little sense
That aside, the sitting thing is only an issue if you don't get up every other hour and at least stretch or make a habit of exercising regularly. That's why standing/height-adjustment desks are so popular. Allows you to be active to some degree.
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By Bahamut.Certainly 2023-06-20 01:38:03
I quit cause this site isn't updating all the new RMEAs I've made lately.
Can we rename the sticky thread "Fujito ruined the game!" to "Scragg ruined the game!"?
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By Odin.Senaki 2023-06-20 01:39:11
That Spanish sentence made little sense.
I’m a student.
It making any sense is good enough. :p
I was taught ‘por’ is used for duration, albeit in English ‘de’ would make more sense as to say: ‘of this’. So idk.
Edit: I did realize I put más in the wrong place.
That aside, the sitting thing is only an issue if you don't get up every other hour and at least stretch or make a habit of exercising regularly. That's why standing/height-adjustment desks are so popular. Allows you to be active to some degree.
Interesting.
By Foxfire 2023-06-20 01:46:00
I’m a student.
It making any sense is good enough. :p
Edit: I did realize I put más in the wrong place.
The sentence reads as "when you have two more years because of university", but it sounds disjointed, because it reads more like you gained two years because of it (which one could argue that long-term effects of bad posture/sitting for too long could be like aging faster, but that's a reach). If you meant "when you have two more years to go" it'd be more like «Cuando te quedan dos años más de estudios universitarios...»
The more you know, etc.
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By Odin.Senaki 2023-06-20 01:50:33
I’m a student.
It making any sense is good enough. :p
Edit: I did realize I put más in the wrong place.
The sentence reads as "when you have two more years because of university", but it sounds disjointed, because it reads more like you gained two years because of it (which one could argue that long-term effects of bad posture/sitting for too long could be like aging faster, but that's a reach). If you meant "when you have two more years to go" it'd be more like «Cuando te quedan dos años más de estudios universitarios...»
The more you know, etc.
Somehow other post by me got wonky due, idk.
Anyway, thx for the insight. I appreciate it. ^u^
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By Lili 2023-06-20 04:54:38
If you meant "when you have two more years to go" it'd be more like «Cuando te quedan dos años más de estudios universitarios...»
I want to add that in mainland Spain, "Cuando tienes dos años más de universidad..." is a perfectly valid sentence, altho what Foxfire writes here sounds definitely more fluent/current.
"por" is indeed for duration but in the sense of "I'm going to run for two hours" -> "Voy a correr por dos horas", a sentence like "I have twenty minutes of running left" would be "Me quedan vente minutos de correr".
Carry on.
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By kishr 2023-06-20 04:58:57
stopped in 2021 because UI and graphics.
forum lurk for 2min tops every couple days or once a week.
won't resub because the game is too dated.
just don't see anything that makes me feel I should return for.
By Lillica 2023-06-20 08:38:05
I quit because FF14 offered bigger bouncier boobs for my character.
I still lurk here now and then to see if the few people I cared about are doing well.
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By Ragnarok.Ragingmonkey 2023-06-20 13:25:03
I quit because the daily grind factor is just rising more and more every time they come out with more content and I simply don't have the time/effort to spare on this grindy *** hamster wheel.
Between trying to keep an event shell together and active, and doing the daily Sortie/Odyssey, there's just not enough time in the day.
I'm also super tired of chasing after people trying to get them to gear up/update their luas
I mainly just came back to look at the forum to see if maybe people discovered that the prime grind isn't as bad as we thought, but it only reassured my aversion to doing sortie every day
Ragnarok.Primex
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-06-20 13:54:02
early erectile dysfunction from lack of regular blood circulation Wait, what?
If sitting at your desk does this, wouldn't every single white collar male employee have this issue? it does more than make your peepee soft. Sitting for prolonged hours is a faster way towards death than a lot of bad habits like smoking.
https://theheartfoundation.org/2019/08/10/is-sitting-the-new-smoking/
«Cuando tienes dos años más por universidad…»
Well, I’m figuratively screwed. 2 weeks of 20 mins brisk walking will put you back into recovery mode. 3rd week do full body weight routine.
- 3x sets of squats
- 3x sets of bench press
- 3x sets of pull-downs
and go home.
after 3 months of some 30 mins/day moderate cardio 3x week, full body work out 3x week (30 mins), incorporate 80 seconds worth of 10 second sprints, 30 seconds recovery, repeat twice, twice a week.
Just do that until you're addicted and jumping off the monkey bars in the park and waking up with solid rock between your legs and feeling like you want to beat up thor and hulk. won't take a year to turn your life around.
Bismarck.Zubuis
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By Bismarck.Zubuis 2023-06-20 14:12:53
Honestly became bored with the game.
Also feels with the game instead of actually trying to make things more challenging, difficult, or new they add in annoying mechanics to make things harder (and frustrating).
Felt like I couldn't progress on my time anymore (to a measurable level).
Mastery too much of a grind. Feels like they want you to bot the xp. Especially if you play like 10 jobs. Dont have the time to play like I did when I was 18.
Odyssey too much of a grind and annoying. I personally didnt like the changes past 15. Adding adds, fetters, weird enmity rules etc felt like they just introducing things that are annoying to up the difficulty as mentioned before. When strategies involve perfect job setups, lucky RD/WC's to win, etc. I dont think its well designed content.
Sortie. Same thing. Obviously its easier and has less dumb mechanics (least when I was playing), but its still a grind.
Time sink isnt worth it to me anymore.
Check ffxiah time to time to see if things change in game. But finding myself looking less and less as time goes on.
By smii 2023-06-20 16:21:00
I quit because the endgame is all purple platforms and hallways, and I'm too gated to bother anymore.
Odyssey sucks, the 6man setup or bust killed quite a few social circles. It's too gated for the average player, and too gated for the successful people to help their friends, at least in a lot of circumstances because of statics. It's been literally years and no changes.
Sortie is more time gated BS and after seeing that not only do you need an obscene amount of galli but if you didn't grind all your +2 and +3s already, you're screwed because now you need to save for a weapon(s). The numbers skyrocket if you want weapons for the 3 jobs you use in Odyssey. If you can get a static.
I keep up with the forums and stuff in hopes that one day I'll come here and see massive changes have swept through Vana'diel, everyone is happy and the game is more open to its aging playerbase.
It's as the title says: Why did you quit FFXI? (or take a break?). How long was it? Why did you come back?
And of course, if you're not subbed to FFXI anymore, why do you read FFXIAH in the meantime? :)
Just curious.
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