So Why Did You Quit? (and Still Read FFXIAH?)

Trueeee.

I stopped playing around the first month Seekers of Adoulin came out. The addiction creeps up on you slowly, and your always thinking, "Damn, I miss getting 100TP and letting that WS out; I really want to play again."

Years later, I saw they had some free week campaign going, and came back to play for a little. First thing I did was go to the AH to see what stuff sold, then collected the gil from my mog house. I went straight to The Boyahda Tree just to fight some stuff. Then I went to Jeuno to look around for a bit. It was around this time why I remembered why I quit in the first place. So I ended up quitting again during the free week campaign.

Couple years went by, free week campaign started, I tried it again. As I'm playing, I'm remembering why I quit before. So I log out, uninstall, and quit during the free week campaign again.

Days go by; years go by; somehow, this game always came back to mind. Like I can never forget it. It's just something about the combat system that I love and wish more modern games did. I've never played a game where numerous people told me they were either homeless, or about to be homeless. This game is that powerful. Even now, I'm thinking about playing the game again, but I know I'll just remember why I quit.

I really need to write down to remember why I quit.

Started on PC release. Quit several times, but never for more than 6 months.
In 2017 I quit and went back to rl when I realised I had become the meme I always joked about as a kid.
"Imagine we still play this when we are 40"
I came back in April 2023 after conquering rl. ***was too easy.

You're allowed to just play it for a few days or weeks or a month and then stop again.


That's the appeal of an mmorpg, getting new stuff.

Breaks are good. Keeps it fresh. Generally I unsub for about 3-6 months out of every year.

I always wish I hadn't gone on break when I come back though!

Like you guys are saying, breaks put things in perspective for example why am I paying $25+ dollars for this game, keep it under $20 is my philosophy.

Career advancement entailed more responsibilities and stresses. Unfortunately, this stress began to carry over into the time I was spending in-game after coming home from work and it brought about an unsavory change in my behavior. I found myself snapping at things I never used to and lashing out at people on Discord voice channels. It was not fair for me to take my RL stress out on people I was close to in-game so stepping away was the right call.

Compounding this further... doing Sortie daily for months on end broke me. I’d come home from work and then immediately do a static event which felt like another job tacked onto my workday. Recently discovering that SE had imposed an artificial cap on Gallu to stop people getting a head start on primes, after having grinded the content since its launch, was insulting and killed any will to come back.

I never quit, just afk more than usual if I don't have the time. There will be a sub bleed given how they handled things lately. Sortie being the thing they want people to spam endlessly and the fact they outright said they are cutting resources from updates... yeah. Hopefully they thought this through.

All things in moderation. Obviously a philosophy borne out of pandemic...


I think a lot of people just kicked too hard. It's all well and good to blow past the pacesetter, but we knew there was an end to this track. Can't really fault people for not wanting to run in place at the end, much less paying a sub(or multiple) to do it.

I played from NA Beta until about CoP in 2006/2007. I quit for good at that point in time because of work/RL. Then one day in 2012, an RL friend who played FFXI since launch with me, called and said "The cap is 99, you can get new Beastmaster pets" ...and I re-subbed in a heartbeat.

I've amassed a lot since then and I still find the game to be an enjoyable experience. I do worry with how much of a time committment SE has roped into events recently. It doesn't seem very sustainable for us or them, to be perfectly honest.

Anyway, I'll be here until the servers shut down (or burn down).

I resubbed after a year away to finish VR and get yet another ring. And to finally finish getting my Adoulin +1 ring and Ygnas trust which should be in 3-5 days depending on how hard I run Furrow. My sub runs out early July and I’ll be gone for a long time until hopefully they let you RMT your way thru prime weapons hehe

Yoshida reduced the budget for XI by a large amount, which forced them to lose a lot of staff. It seems because of the low expectations for ff16 and them cutting back everywhere they can to save money in anticipation of it under-performing.

I find it funny that Yoshida is walking in the footsteps of Tanaka and killing his own career because of ego. If he just stuck to what he was good at, there would of been no problem. He had to show how good he was by demanding to be allowed to make a single player game, using the teams that work on the mmorpgs no less.

Not only is his massive budget game looking mid, but he is causing 11 and 14 to both under perform and make less money because of putting so much attention into 16.

It almost feels like Fujito is trying to get people to leave intentionally, as the only form of protest he has against the abhorrent treatment the 11 team has suffered after putting their heart and soul into the game over the past 5 years. All because of another game, the division should of never made in the first place.

11 continues to do well because of the lasting design choices the original designers and dev team made, particularly around the combat system.

Everything else is built on top of that. No matter how much Tanaka and Co tried to kill it.

i thought 16 would be a ***woke game until i played the demo i changed my mind lol

Man, you should have stop generating unverified rumors just because you emotionally dislike ff16's style. According SE's own interview TVR's budget actually increased, not decrease. If staff member is low that's because staff member for ff11 has always been low, even before ff16's development. There are no proof to show that any of what you said here is true.



The demo is already out, so far most the gamer and critics reviews on story and combat were very positive. I've yet to see many super negative reviews if at all.

Unless the game quality dropped massively post demo's content I highly doubt this game will be a bad game based on what we know now.

Should have stop imagining things based on your personal preference.


I think you should have go write a novel with your ability to generate stories, lol.

I don't care if it's good or not, although it looks pretty bad honestly.

The issue is that Square Enix made a whole business unit of developers to handle online games (business unit 3), and now they are trying to make single player games with these people and removing any slack or ability to take on bigger projects in that arena.

They are trying to do too many things and when you try to do too many things you do nothing well.

The only thing BU3 did previously was make XIV expansions, the XI reboot and run and update XI itself. This means any attempt to make money by BU3 had to be limited to these things, and so this was the way a new xi expansions/content or bigger updates to XIV was going to happen. Now they are making ff16 instead (and have been for many years) and any slack is going into that, their horizons have been widened and that's bad for us if we play 11 or 14.

This is the real reason the XI reboot on mobile was cancelled too, cause the efforts were going into 16 and not this.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Creative_Business_Unit_III

The two outcomes from this stupid decision are either that ff16 does really well and so the executives will ask them to keep making more single player games and starving the mmorpgs of attention and money, or ff16 bombs and the entire division will have to suffer and penny pinch because of it.

Personally I hope it bombs hard, because when it does they will be forced to make money from the successful things they do and that will be try make 14 and 11 as successful as they can via content additions and expansions. Just as when 14 bombed we got Adoulin, cause they had to make money from the things they had available to make money from.

Did you read any of the SE interviews? FF16 isn't what's stopping them from doing more ff11 expansions.

Even if ff16 is made by another division or doesn't exist at all ff11 is probably going to get as much budget as before. SE doesn't care about FF11 that much, with ff16 or without.

Blaming the lack of expansion on ff16 is kinda ridiculous lol.



Lol this sounds like a jealous kid not getting their parents love so they hope their sibling fail hard so their love comes back. SE doesn't care about FFXI, it is not a project that is important to them right now. If FF16 bombed they'll make FF17 or nft games or whatever the trend is at that time for money and move on. We should have accept this already.

This discussion is not on topic fellers.

Just gonna toss this edit in:
I didn't call papa r00ks, it was just clear it was coming

SE choosing to fund FF16 and further choosing to place it on CBU3 means exactly one thing: They consider the ongoing success of FFXI and FFXIV to be less important than making a new blockbuster project. It doesn't matter how you want to divide it past that, whether you feel a MMO team should just be for MMOs, whatever. They are not completely oblivious to what their teams are doing, they chose to defund 11 and 14 for 16. And they'll do it again, too.

The game still has an extremely long progression curve, and is good for many thousands of hours of play. It won't get new content fast enough for people who are willing to sink 6 hours a day into it, but if you're playing a reasonable amount of time it's fine as it is. And frankly, you kind of have to just take it or leave it, it's not like we have any influence over SE.

@Afania

If you have an entire division of developers and the only way they can make money is 11 and 14 they are going to make a ton of things for 11 and 14, if you add 16 they won't make a ton of things for 11 and 14.

This is pretty simple, I dunno why you're having problems.



It's on topic just fine, cause people are leaving cause of lack of investment. Lots of ff14 players are having similar issues too cause of starvation, but to a lesser degree.

We are in the worst timeline

The reason why FF11 isn't getting expansions is because it's a 20+ year old project with 50k(?) sub that (to the investors) has nothing exciting going on. Investors will want new projects with marketing buzz. FF11 fan's emotional attachment means nothing to investors.

Blaming the lack of expansion on ff16 is kinda unrealistic. Even if ff16 isn't being made this money won't go to ff11. The money will go to next project with a different name and marketing buzz.

This is how capitalism works, money is more likely to go to the next exciting new product with marketing buzz. idk I dunno why do you keep pretending if FF16 bombed or doesn't exist FF11 will get an expansion. This is clearly not the case based on SE's action in last 20+ years.

Jesus *** Christ.

Look, staying on topic is hard. Our brains are moving at a million miles a minute in this age of infinite information. But at least *** try.

No, long rants about how Yoshida is siphoning all the money from XI For Reasons and how XVI is a doomed vanity project are not "on topic", and you're smart enough to know better.

soooo......

"investors want new projects with marketing buzz"

SE changes its focus from known successful commodities to a new game with a massive budget and critical attention, generating that buzz.

...but lack of funding isn't XVI's fault, because "the money will go to the next project with a different name and buzz"? Sounds like you're playing a semantics game- the fault is the methodology of endgame capitalism and XVI is just the tool to implement that. Yes, you are quite correct, the name doesn't matter, and if it wasn't XVI it would be their next project instead. But if SE is placing XVI as their flagship, then it's going to take the brunt of the fire, and rightfully so.

Now to be truly off-topic: how come no one is bitching about the Co-Opting of the Final Fantasy franchise name, history, and fanbase to produce games that are clearly not FF games? If SE wants to expand their gaming arena, that's totally fine- but tossing in the names Shiva and Bahamut doesn't automatically make a game a Final Fantasy.

To me it doesn't make sense since SE never cared too much about putting money on ffxi since I started. People complained about slow updates in 2009, they complained the same thing in 2016, then again in 2020, then again now. It's all FF16's fault?

If SE suddenly changed their direction after FF16 announced at least the complaint would make more sense to me, but that wasn't the case. To me SE consistently doesn't care about ff11 for 20 years. So why blame this company direction set in stone long time ago on one single game?

Continued playing on and off for years because it's just about the best game out there to make incremental progress in while watching TV or a movie, or listening to a podcast. Eventually ran out of things to make incremental progress on in that way and decided I could just...watch the movie.