Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
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Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
Hmm, I think you might be right there. Wasn't paying attention to the mob types. The 25% does line up close enough. Thanks for the help!
Anillla said: » but doesn't look like using gear to increase crit damage had any impact. General question, but does this scenario even exist in FFXI, where something can crit but isn't modified by crit gear/traits? That alone would seem to defy game logic and imply something else is going on, right? Outside of a bug, or a ja, nothing can crit that doesn't state it can crit
They were simply wrong in their assessment. (There might be blue spells that can crit and critical damage plus gear doesn't work, but I'm not certain) ((Foot Kick / Sickle Slash etc)) Lakshmi.Buukki said: » General question, but does this scenario even exist in FFXI, where something can crit but isn't modified by crit gear/traits? That alone would seem to defy game logic and imply something else is going on, right? I believe this is the only exception. 
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[66 days between previous and next post]Maru Testing :
Str: 192 Dex: 201 Mnk/WAR Mlvl 50 Mithra No WS dmg / No PDL gear on / No food 1k : Min 6180 Max 6482 1k Fotia Neck : Min 6379 Max 6689 3k : Min 23917 Max 25068 3k Fotia Neck : Min 24113 Max 25274
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If I'm using my old spreadsheet right: 3.1 - 12.2
would be helpful to have 1k (or 3k) with an etude or stat bubble to get the stat growth edit: I was not using it right For the test my hand to hand skill was 501 not sure if that matters. I heard hand to hand skill might add base damage for hand to hand. I had +1 JSE ear on for +11 skill.
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Only the first hit of every attack round was getting triple damage with the prime hand 2 hand.
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Do any other Prime Weaponskills other than Origin have a hidden effect?
Not really a hidden effect if its in the ws description.
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Galkapryme said: » Do any other Prime Weaponskills other than Origin have a hidden effect? The drain/apsir effect on Origin isn't a hidden effect, its just how the WS operates. Even Catastrophe lists the drain effect in the WS's description. Relics did have "hidden" effects such as Catastrophe giving haste. It was only "hidden" on the lvl 75 version. After that, they were listed as "Aftermath:" effects. Cata and Origin are pretty unique with the drain. All other primes are just strictly damage only. However there are other WS's that give effects such as Guillotine and Tachi:Gekko having a silence effect. Plenty of Stun WS's also. Shiva.Humpo said: » Cata and Origin are pretty unique with the drain. All other primes are just strictly damage only. However there are other WS's that give effects such as Guillotine and Tachi:Gekko having a silence effect. Plenty of Stun WS's also. Ukko's Fury applies Slow, Rudra's Storm applies Gravity, and so on and so on. Lots of WS have secondary effects - empy WSs having some was a major issue on Alexander HTMV, which retaliates against debuffs. Lili said: » Shiva.Humpo said: » Cata and Origin are pretty unique with the drain. All other primes are just strictly damage only. However there are other WS's that give effects such as Guillotine and Tachi:Gekko having a silence effect. Plenty of Stun WS's also. Ukko's Fury applies Slow, Rudra's Storm applies Gravity, and so on and so on. Lots of WS have secondary effects - empy WSs having some was a major issue on Alexander HTMV, which retaliates against debuffs. I actually did not know that about Ukkos and Rudra! Now I’m curious how many others I don’t know about! I hate that all of you knew what I meant, but instead of just saying "no," you took the time to explain that the effect is not, in fact, hidden. To be fair, I also hate myself for asking. I should have known better.
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Shiva.Humpo said: » Lili said: » Shiva.Humpo said: » Cata and Origin are pretty unique with the drain. All other primes are just strictly damage only. However there are other WS's that give effects such as Guillotine and Tachi:Gekko having a silence effect. Plenty of Stun WS's also. Ukko's Fury applies Slow, Rudra's Storm applies Gravity, and so on and so on. Lots of WS have secondary effects - empy WSs having some was a major issue on Alexander HTMV, which retaliates against debuffs. I actually did not know that about Ukkos and Rudra! Now I’m curious how many others I don’t know about! Like 20% the ws in the game lower something. Evasion defense att acc. Or apply something. Plague silence poison stun sleep bind.
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[51 days between previous and next post]Oh I just verified this. But Origin does bypass Shadows like Catastrophe/Entropy.
Also noticed weapon bash did too with AF gloves on. Credit goes to BigAl, I was just the Ninja who got murdered.
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[161 days between previous and next post]A buddy of mine decided to get Lorg Mor Stage 3 since, as far as either of us know, nobody has ever tested the WS to get the fTP and WSC values. An old dev post says the mods are STR/MND, and all the Prime WS should have equal values between their two mods, so I'm assuming they're the same value.
We went into Sortie today on BRD, GEO/SCH, COR and used Dagda on the Acuexes at 3k TP to try to figure out the values. We spent some time tinkering around with chaos roll values and Shell Crusher to make sure we were attack capped before proceeding. Data was taken in two sets. Set 1 had 350 STR, 365 MND, and 60% WSD. Set 2 had 320 STR, 379 MND, and 40% WSD. The data set seems to have some second hit misses, some first hit kills, and some double attacks that pollute the data a little, but it get us close to an actual number for the 3k fTP and WSC. Note that these numbers are low since acuexes resist blunt. We were careful to not record any numbers from when the acuex STR/MND down was on or Monbereaux's STR/MND up was on, but it's possible we missed one here or there. Set 1 Damage 10286 9685 9960 9864 9949 9947 9929 8895 9360 10338 9744 9946 9981 10046 9928 10247 9956 9600 10117 9895 10509 9871 9977 9728 9648 Set 2 Damage 7857 7910 7811 7982 7462 8000 7706 7871 8170 7715 7711 7779 7866 7927 7967 8225 8041 8111 7892 8016 7407 7878 7905 7771 7732 7949 7743 7807 8058 7821 8370 |
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