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Fujito ruined the game!
By K123 2025-07-23 08:50:54
The slower it is to EP the less you play the more you do in RL. It's good for that.
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5566
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-23 08:54:09
I dont think its all pups, I just remember someone posting that video way back when and it showed how congested the camp there is.
By K123 2025-07-23 08:56:48
There was a time noone knew about birds and I did DNC THF DRG there wonderfully. Then few people knew about beetles in KRT and now there are 4 parties there at all times now.
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By Seun 2025-07-23 09:10:37
Every other server being a ghost town caused asuras congestion.
No. Asura is full because there are hundreds of players playing across thousands of accounts. The actual elephant in the room... with the 5 other elephants all lined up neatly behind it in matching lockstyles. Self inflicted.
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Valefor.Philemon
Server: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 582
By Valefor.Philemon 2025-07-23 09:13:54
No to a merge, we would all be fighting to light the Jeuno lamps and that's no way to live.
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5566
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-23 09:18:31
Every other server being a ghost town caused asuras congestion.
No. Asura is full because there are hundreds of players playing across thousands of accounts. The actual elephant in the room... with the 5 other elephants all lined up neatly behind it in matching lockstyles. Self inflicted. I find it hilarious that the biggest argument in favor of going to Asura is "more people to play with" and the problem with Asura is all the multiboxers.
No to a merge, we would all be fighting to light the Jeuno lamps and that's no way to live. I think this is the fourth time I'm saying this, but whatever, apparently it needs to be said four times. If server transfers didnt exist, my tune about "*** off with merging servers" would probably be different. But server transfers do exist and people playing on low pop servers are clearly happy paying 12.95 per month (per character lets be honest lol) to play on that low pop server.
By Dodik 2025-07-23 09:26:38
Why would a person with 6 accounts go to a highly populated server where they can never find a free camp.
That makes no sense what so ever.
Not like a 6 boxer is joining any Pugs.
Shiva.Thorny
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3427
By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-23 09:45:17
Why would a person with 6 accounts go to a highly populated server where they can never find a free camp.
That makes no sense what so ever.
a lot of them need to have their gear merced because having 6 characters isn't enough to actually clear things with them
By Dodik 2025-07-23 09:51:35
I do know multiboxers that moved main/alt accounts to Asura just to get clears then moved back.
Some kept a char on Asura for the Pugs. These are the exception though.
This will shock no one, but small servers have a lot of multi boxers. Small groups, if you're friends with others you help each other out to get clears on various characters as needed without needing to "play" 4 5 or 6 boxes at once.
By Seun 2025-07-23 10:29:43
Every other server being a ghost town caused asuras congestion.
No. Asura is full because there are hundreds of players playing across thousands of accounts. The actual elephant in the room... with the 5 other elephants all lined up neatly behind it in matching lockstyles. Self inflicted. I find it hilarious that the biggest argument in favor of going to Asura is "more people to play with" and the problem with Asura is all the multiboxers.
I think it's hilarious that anyone would try to make an argument to move to Asura. It's a lot easier to come up with reasons to not be there. The only thing I missed was a more active economy, but with Sortie and Limbus(so far) having no gil sinks... good riddance.
By Bosworth 2025-07-23 10:39:41
Just from a business standpoint, there's no issue with small servers. If the gameplay experience is meh and people can pay the extra $18 to transfer, that's an additional revenue stream.
I mean, it depends. If a new player logs onto a smaller server and discovers it's a ghost town, they might conclude the game is dead and move on. This has happened with a lot of the newer MMOs, and I would think FFXI at this point in it's life cycle probably doesn't get that as much, but still.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-23 10:42:17
Every other server being a ghost town caused asuras congestion.
No. Asura is full because there are hundreds of players playing across thousands of accounts. The actual elephant in the room... with the 5 other elephants all lined up neatly behind it in matching lockstyles. Self inflicted. I find it hilarious that the biggest argument in favor of going to Asura is "more people to play with" and the problem with Asura is all the multiboxers.
I think it's hilarious that anyone would try to make an argument to move to Asura. It's a lot easier to come up with reasons to not be there. The only thing I missed was a more active economy, but with Sortie and Limbus(so far) having no gil sinks... good riddance.
The only reason to play on Asura is the AH.
If you wanted to sell a stack of dark matter, it will sell the same day.
If you're on any of the bottom 12 servers, it might sell in a week. Depending on how aggressively you undercut it.
Or you get the urge to make 10 Crocea, they will sell in 1-2 days on Asura, it'll take an entire month on somewhere like Valefor.
Alex, HMP, PBR all sell 10x faster on asura, and conversely are 10x easier to buy on asura.
By K123 2025-07-23 10:45:38
Not like a 6 boxer is joining any Pugs. A lot of people that own 6 will use 3/4/5 for certain content and pug the other slots. Not everyone is a master of Silmaril, or has the patience to alt/tab or use send and do things manually with more than 2/3/4 chars.
By Shichishito 2025-07-23 11:25:46
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »What if you're the only person with a Leathercraft shield on your tiny server? Now suddenly 5 more Leathercrafters come over from the one that just merged into you.
What if you've got a lock on the Sif's Macrame market, and now there are 3 new people who sell them?
What if the server you transfer to has synthesis materials, or JSE materials, at twice the price of the one you're leaving? This can be summarised under "BUT MUH MONOPOLY!!1!" and "MUH RMT ACTIVITY!!1!1!!!"
Dodik said: ยป
Why would a person with 6 accounts go to a highly populated server where they can never find a free camp.
That makes no sense what so ever.
a lot of them need to have their gear merced because having 6 characters isn't enough to actually clear things with them The other side of the coin is probably that most people wouldn't invest that much money into multiboxes if they couldn't sell RMT services to earn it back, they simply need customers.
Shiva.Thorny
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3427
By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-23 11:59:43
most people wouldn't invest that much money into multiboxes if they couldn't sell RMT
the amount of 4-6boxers who buy in huge quantities from me leads me to believe you're completely wrong
it's more a matter of having disposable income and enjoying the scripting/planning aspects of the game for most, imo
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Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
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Posts: 5566
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-23 12:02:02
Mr "I'm right" thinks a brand new player is signing up to play a 23 year old MMO with no outside influence, just finding FFXI randomly and signing up.
99.9% of brand new to FFXI players are being influenced to play it from an outside source, either via a streamer or from reddit or something else, and through this influence will wind up on a popular server, they wont land on "a dead server".
Source you ask?
2018 numbers vs today Code Today Apr2018 Difference
Cerberus 2,719 3,092 -373
Quetz 2,862 3,498 -636
Leviathan 3,043 3,211 -168
Sylph 3,098 3,240 -142
Siren 3,351 4,178 -827
Lakshmi 3,460 3,616 -156
Valefor 3,515 3,375 140
Bismarck 3,626 3,975 -349
Carbuncle 4,235 4,024 211
Shiva 4,277 4,713 -436
Ragnarok 4,547 4,703 -156
Fenrir 4,840 4,132 708
Phoenix 4,865 4,786 79
Odin 9,591 8,193 1,398
Bahamut 11,240 5,652 5,588
Asura 15,034 12,357 2,677
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By Seun 2025-07-23 12:03:10
The only reason to play on Asura is the AH.
Tourism yes, residence no. Vacation on Asura during a discount campaign when you want some souvenirs. I would only live there if I were in the service industry and it was my job to farm gil or content for other people.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-23 12:05:58
Paying $20 to buy something from asura is dumb, too
(unless youre buying a billion to jump back with to sell for 1.3 billion)
Which neither can be done anymore starting in 6 days.
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5566
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-23 12:10:56
For a guy who talks so big about how much money he makes selling gil, he seems to be very concerned about what people do with 20 bucks.
Seems like a huge mask off moment if he considers someone burning 20 bucks of their disposable income for something they consider necessary to enhance their experience playing FFXI to be stupid, and this tells me he values 20 bucks to be a lot of money, which means hes not making nearly as much money selling gil as he says he is.
By K123 2025-07-23 12:15:51
Mr "I'm right" thinks a brand new player is signing up to play a 23 year old MMO with no outside influence, just finding FFXI randomly and signing up.
99.9% of brand new to FFXI players are being influenced to play it from an outside source, either via a streamer or from reddit or something else, and through this influence will wind up on a popular server, they wont land on "a dead server".
Source you ask?
2018 numbers vs today Code Today Apr2018 Difference
Cerberus 2,719 3,092 -373
Quetz 2,862 3,498 -636
Leviathan 3,043 3,211 -168
Sylph 3,098 3,240 -142
Siren 3,351 4,178 -827
Lakshmi 3,460 3,616 -156
Valefor 3,515 3,375 140
Bismarck 3,626 3,975 -349
Carbuncle 4,235 4,024 211
Shiva 4,277 4,713 -436
Ragnarok 4,547 4,703 -156
Fenrir 4,840 4,132 708
Phoenix 4,865 4,786 79
Odin 9,591 8,193 1,398
Bahamut 11,240 5,652 5,588
Asura 15,034 12,357 2,677 Seeing this list makes me think ok maybe 6 servers would be too few, maybe even 8. I'll go with 10.
By Drayco 2025-07-23 12:21:54
Reopen Hades! It's time to go home!
By Bosworth 2025-07-23 12:24:16
Mr "I'm right" thinks a brand new player is signing up to play a 23 year old MMO with no outside influence, just finding FFXI randomly and signing up.
99.9% of brand new to FFXI players are being influenced to play it from an outside source, either via a streamer or from reddit or something else, and through this influence will wind up on a popular server, they wont land on "a dead server".
I would think some people end up playing because it's a mainline FF entry.
Every MMO gains players through outside sources. Marketing, word of mouth, etc. FFXI is no different (in this case I think the crossover with FFXIV is bringing in new people). That's why making new players happy with what they see is important. We want them to stick around. Signing into a dead server on a MMO doesn't accomplish that (unless they're specifically looking for a solo experience) which I guess FFXI can accommodate to some degree.
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Shiva.Thorny
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3427
By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-23 12:29:29
If someone looks at the UI, doesn't see any population indicators or any reason to select a different server, and doesn't have the presence of mind to google 'does it matter what server I join on FFXI'...
I don't think they have the resourcefulness to play through the game, anyway.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3470
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-23 12:32:52
If you're on any of the bottom 12 servers, it might sell in a week. Depending on how aggressively you undercut it.
Dumbest hot take of the day. Carbuncle currently has 0 stacks of DM on AH, and the price is spiking because there's not enough supply. I've bought 11 stacks in the last ~3 months and I'm just one person.
Or you get the urge to make 10 Crocea, they will sell in 1-2 days on Asura, it'll take an entire month on somewhere like Valefor.
This is just incredibly stupid behavior, why in the absolute *** would you make 10 of the same sword, on any server? Also really, REALLY bad math. 1.331 Crocea sell/day on Asura. If you were the only person who ever sold a Crocea, it would take at least a week to sell 10. Spoilers: you aren't the only one selling, because there are 6 on AH
Alex, HMP, PBR all sell 10x faster on asura, and conversely are 10x easier to buy on asura.
Yeah, but also: you have 10x as much competition for buying (and selling) those things. If there are 20 people trying to buy the same 100 stacks of Alex, where there are 2 people buying them on Cerberus...
This can be summarised under "BUT MUH MONOPOLY!!1!" and "MUH RMT ACTIVITY!!1!1!!!"
Increasing the competition for purchasing materials and also increasing competition for selling items will have unintended consequences for everyone, not just crafters, but literally anyone who buys and sells things. Maybe you normally sell HMP, well now congratulations, you just imported thousands of HMP and people doing Ambu/Voidwatch, who are trying to sell their HMP.
Maybe it will be great because only things you want to buy will go down in price, and everything you want to sell will go up in price, but...I don't think that's very likely to happen.
Who said a ***' thing about RMT? I think it's a bit hilarious that the first thing your mind goes to is RMT when any kind of gil is involved. Some people make gil to play the video game, not to buy or sell it for RL money. Wild thought I know.
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By Drayco 2025-07-23 12:32:58
Also remember that current FF14 content is Echos of Vanadiel. I'm sure a lot of people that played briefly 20 years ago might be playing this and coming back.
By Bosworth 2025-07-23 12:37:00
Also remember that current FF14 content is Echos of Vanadiel. I'm sure a lot of people that played briefly 20 years ago might be playing this and coming back.
Oh, for sure. We'd want to create the best new player experience for those folks so they feel inclined to stick around during the massive FFXIV content droughts.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-23 12:38:38
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Carbuncle; because there's not enough supply.
The only reason to play on Asura is the AH.
1 server, high demand, high supply
13 servers low demand low supply
#2 and #3 middle ground (I assume bahamut/odin does well, don't spent any real time there)
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5566
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-23 12:52:38
FF14 players coming to explore FF11 are most likely going to fall in one of two categories:
1-were previous FFXI players and have knowledge of sites like FFXI and BG and know what to look for
2-have connections to people who fall under #1 and will ask them for guidance
By Seun 2025-07-23 12:59:21
Paying $20 to buy something from asura is dumb, too
It wasn't just to buy something. I left a loaded mule behind to sell things and used the earnings to buy things I couldn't get at home. You can just send another mule at the same time you're bringing the first back, but I really didn't even need to do that. As I said, Sortie and Limbus are not gil sinks so we don't really have to care about gil beyond a certain point.
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By Shichishito 2025-07-23 13:06:02
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Shichishito said: ยป
This can be summarised under "BUT MUH MONOPOLY!!1!" and "MUH RMT ACTIVITY!!1!1!!!"
Increasing the competition for purchasing materials and also increasing competition for selling items will have unintended consequences for everyone, not just crafters, but literally anyone who buys and sells things. Maybe you normally sell HMP, well now congratulations, you just imported thousands of HMP and people doing Ambu/Voidwatch, who are trying to sell their HMP.
Maybe it will be great because only things you want to buy will go down in price, and everything you want to sell will go up in price, but...I don't think that's very likely to happen.
"Muh

is good for you!
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