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By Nariont 2023-01-19 12:32:27
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RadialArcana said: »
It's disrespectful to bring it up here (especially when the intent is shilling), just as it was when people did it with ff14 or anything else.

Wait, the intent is to not shill? Cause you and a few others are actually becoming the equivalent of media/game critics where you so vehemently cry about the existence of thing that it drives people to watch/play it out of curiosity, you're free advertising really
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By RadialArcana 2023-01-19 13:10:22
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Bahamut.Belkin said: »
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We already struggle to keep SE running and updating the game at the level they do, now we gotta deal with these chuklefks.

I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)

Yep.

There are a few kinds of people who are positive about this server, people like "gethelpnerd" that has devoted his life to trying to damage XI and has been posting negatively about it for years everywhere he can. The only reason he is positive about this server is because he hates the game and thinks it a weapon to use against it. (I'm guessing he is messaging you, cause he messages me every day with pitiful childish abuse)

There are people who play both kinds of servers (eden, wings, catsey whatever and retail) and just don't bring it up. Cause why cause friction to retail?

Then there are people who get taken in by big number syndrome, get a tribal chub on and start thinking they need to make number bigger, even if it damages retail servers. They then start shilling the server to try make it happen, which is destructive to our game. Even if it's just a handful that are taken in and swap, even if it's just one it's bad because we are not WoW and SE doesn't care about this game as much as we do.

It even goes against the reason people put thousands of hours into these server files people created years ago (That all these servers take advantage of with little effort themselves), who btw more or less stopped working on it once they found out retail was going to continue updates. Their intent was to preserve, not damage and it's very much trying to move into damage lately.

We all do what we can to promote the game in whatever way we do becasue we care about the game and want to see it continue getting any updates it can get, they have tried to shut it down multiple times and only the determination of the players to not move/quit is why it's still here.

What is expected exactly, to let people who are in big number syndrome promote the server with favorable wording (not pointing out the negatives) and nobody say anything to counter it? If the company decides to stop updates, that will be it. Once updates stop there will be no 2nd chance, they will never carry on again once developers are moved. So we are in a position where we kind of have to be protective of this game if we want to keep it going.

Whatever these people running these servers tell you, they are not developers and they will not be able to make anything new. The actual developers are the only ones that can update this game and it matters they continue to do so and it remains profitable.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2023-01-19 13:16:00
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I think they have a large player base because it's a new idea for a server. Not entirely new, I'm sure it's been done with other games. A progression server.

They're releasing each expansion in intervals. Right now they only have CoP. Eventually they will release ToAU and Wings.

The real kicker that they could be retaining these numbers is their intent to modify Abyssea content and onward to level 75. Eventually up to Adoulin if I'm not mistaken.

It's why they call it Era+, it's very custom. They've made completely new items that don't exist on retail.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2023-01-19 13:19:07
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Bahamut.Belkin said: »
I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month.


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By Mattelot 2023-01-19 13:20:59
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I've been invited to several private servers but I never accept. Each time I see a new one come up, I get told all the rationale of why it's the "end all, be all" and every person who said that is now on a different private server. I lost count of how many "Won't get better than this" I heard about Nasomi.

Then I hear about the power-tripping, incompetent people who admin them as icing on the cake.

I'll just enjoy my popcorn.
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By Aquapenguin 2023-01-19 13:21:15
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RadialArcana said: »
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We already struggle to keep SE running and updating the game at the level they do, now we gotta deal with these chuklefks.

I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)

Yep.

There are a few kinds of people who are positive about this server, people like "gethelpnerd" that has devoted his life to trying to damage XI and has been posting negatively about it for years everywhere he can. The only reason he is positive about this server is because he hates the game and thinks it a weapon to use against it. (I'm guessing he is messaging you, cause he messages me every day with pitiful childish abuse)

There are people who play both kinds of servers (eden, wings, catsey whatever and retail) and just don't bring it up. Cause why cause friction to retail?

Then there are people who get taken in by big number syndrome, get a tribal chub on and start thinking they need to make number bigger, even if it damages retail servers. They then start shilling the server to try make it happen, which is destructive to our game. Even if it's just a handful that are taken in and swap, even if it's just one it's bad because we are not WoW and SE doesn't care about this game as much as we do.

It even goes against the reason people put thousands of hours into these server files people created years ago (That all these servers take advantage of with little effort themselves), who btw more or less stopped working on it once they found out retail was going to continue updates. Their intent was to preserve, not damage and it's very much trying to move into damage lately.

We all do what we can to promote the game in whatever way we do becasue we care about the game and want to see it continue getting any updates it can get, they have tried to shut it down multiple times and only the determination of the players to not move/quit is why it's still here.

What is expected exactly, to let people who are in big number syndrome promote the server with favorable wording (not pointing out the negatives) and nobody say anything to counter it? If the company decides to stop updates, that will be it. Once updates stop there will be no 2nd chance, they will never carry on again once developers are moved. So we are in a position where we kind of have to be protective of this game if we want to keep it going.

Whatever these people running these servers tell you, they are not developers and they will not be able to make anything new. The actual developers are the only ones that can update this game and it matters they continue to do so and it remains profitable.

I play retail significantly more than I play Horizon, but that isn't going to stop me from occasionally having fun on the server. The server is not harming you or retail in any way unless you have some proof it is. People may switch over to Horizon but I have others who play Horizon who are now on retail.

Everyone who plays on Horizon is aware of the problems it has. It's in no way a secret, every bug/glitch/exploit/whatever is pointed out on their discord and is there for everyone to see. If something goes wrong it gets posted, if servers go down it gets posted, these aren't secrets they are trying to hide from their playerbase.

What are you doing to promote retail? Do you make videos? stream it? post about it? People are having fun, chill out.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2023-01-19 13:33:52
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I bet he's never heard of Land Sand Boat
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By Asura.Toeknee 2023-01-19 13:51:51
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Aquapenguin said: »
What are you doing to promote retail? Do you make videos? stream it? post about it? People are having fun, chill out.

You'd think he'd do more than spam FFXIAH, but I doubt it.

SE doesn't care about FFXI like they want them to, and any outside influence they feel is a threat to 'their' game is seen as a personal attack on their identity. The amount of conspiracy theories, mental gymnastics and essay long posts are cringy as hell. It's just a video game, we're all just killing time and slaying dragons. Wether you do it on FFXI, FFXIV, WoW, Lost Ark, it doesn't matter - just stfu play and let other people enjoy themselves their own way.

Retail was dying long before all the private servers - it wasn't affected during any of the previous servers runs, and won't be affected by Horizon either. Let it go fam
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By Asura.Melliny 2023-01-19 13:56:47
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--We all do what we can to promote the game in whatever way we do becasue we care about the game and want to see it continue getting any updates it can get, they have tried to shut it down multiple times and only the determination of the players to not move/quit is why it's still here.

--So we are in a position where we kind of have to be protective of this game if we want to keep it going.

You make it sound like we're some kinda justice vigilantes or something. Let's be honest here, the game is stale and it's not getting any major coats of paint ever again. There won't be any more expansions and most players log in for the social interaction nowadays more than they do the content. There are other venues we can pursue for those same outlets. Do you remember when retail shut down for over a month in 2011 because of Fukushima? People had to go outside and actually see the sun for once (or more likely, they just found a different means of digital entertainment to occupy their time). It wasn't the end of the world then and it won't be the end of the world when retail finally closes for good.
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By RadialArcana 2023-01-19 14:57:11
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True. Let it die then, have fun on Horizon or Catseye.
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By Dodik 2023-01-19 15:19:02
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SimonSes said: »
I heard they changed Absorbs on Horizon to be better and worth casting even without buffs/gear, so MP might be more important there.

That's disappointing. I was hoping for an authentic 75-era experience, not some absorb actually works BS.

What is this, ilvl?

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By Bahamut.Svedin 2023-01-19 15:23:41
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I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)[/quote]
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We already struggle to keep SE running and updating the game at the level they do, now we gotta deal with these chuklefks.

I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)

MULTIBOXING RUINS THE GAME!

EDIT: idk what happened with my quote thing, deal with it.
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By Aquapenguin 2023-01-19 15:24:11
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More like let it continue because the game hasn't been affected by any private servers past or present.
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By RadialArcana 2023-01-19 20:41:14
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Asura.Melliny said: »
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--We all do what we can to promote the game in whatever way we do becasue we care about the game and want to see it continue getting any updates it can get, they have tried to shut it down multiple times and only the determination of the players to not move/quit is why it's still here.

--So we are in a position where we kind of have to be protective of this game if we want to keep it going.

You make it sound like we're some kinda justice vigilantes or something. Let's be honest here, the game is stale and it's not getting any major coats of paint ever again. There won't be any more expansions and most players log in for the social interaction nowadays more than they do the content. There are other venues we can pursue for those same outlets. Do you remember when retail shut down for over a month in 2011 because of Fukushima? People had to go outside and actually see the sun for once (or more likely, they just found a different means of digital entertainment to occupy their time). It wasn't the end of the world then and it won't be the end of the world when retail finally closes for good.

10/10 black pill post though, at least for me. Kudos.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-19 21:18:18
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I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)
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We already struggle to keep SE running and updating the game at the level they do, now we gotta deal with these chuklefks.

I mean, I'm giving SE $100 a month. Are you even subbed? :)

MULTIBOXING RUINS THE GAME!

EDIT: idk what happened with my quote thing, deal with it.
Funny thing is there vehement disdain for multiboxing like its something that only started in Abyssea (the downfall of FFXI per these people): multiboxing has been a thing since CoP...atleast a bunch of dudes in my LS multiboxed. Maybe not 4+++ chars as most people have today, but all the top players were rolling with a second char, some with a third. Usually hand-me-downs, the "I'm quitting, but keep my char incase I come back" chars. They never came back.


edit: your quote thing broke because you deleted the first [ quote]
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By Seun 2023-01-20 00:44:28
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There is a distinct difference between alt-tabbing between 2 accounts and actually playing them both vs automating 5 accounts while you play the 6th. Far too many people who skip leg day and rely heavily on their tools rather than understanding and execution to be successful.



Multiboxing doesn't foster the type of community this game had early on. It's really disappointing to see people trying to act like they're 'keeping the lights on' when we already know this was the highest grossing FF title more than a decade ago. Feel free to help yourself to as much as you think you deserve for your money, but lets not pretend that it's helpful to anyone but you.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2023-01-20 12:55:35
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agreed. everyone should go to eden.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2023-01-20 13:05:04
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Eden is the most era accurate and by far the most polished. It's also the only server with Ballista.
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By Bahamut.Spookyfish 2023-01-20 13:48:35
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Isn't Ninja only worth like 40M?
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By Seun 2023-01-20 18:12:21
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The other reason why I don't take private servers seriously...


Ninja was 10 years old when FFXI launched. How is he nominated as the spokesperson for the 75 era if it was mostly over before he reached puberty? Absofuckinglutelynot.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-20 18:30:32
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He who hath the money maketh the rules
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By Cerberus.Dekar 2023-01-20 18:33:39
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Seun said: »
The other reason why I don't take private servers seriously...


Ninja was 10 years old when FFXI launched. How is he nominated as the spokesperson for the 75 era if it was mostly over before he reached puberty? Absofuckinglutelynot.

I don't disagree with you, but can we, as a community, afford to turn away any form of attention from a 20 year old MMO? Especially someone with any sort of recognizability or fame.
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By Dodik 2023-01-20 18:37:02
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Cerberus.Dekar said: »
afford to turn away any form of attention

XI is doing alright as is really.
 
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By Felgarr 2023-01-21 00:07:46
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Multi-boxing wouldn't be so prevalent if party mechanics weren't dependent on primary roles that are so lop-sided. Also, a large part of the player-base just doesn't want to play more than 3 jobs in 3 different primary roles:

Tanks:
PLD/RUN

Healers/Status Removal:
WHM/SCH

MB:
BLM/GEO/SCH

Buffs:
COR can buff everyone, including pets.
GEO can buff everyone, but not pets.
BRDs can buff everyone, not pets, can't directly affect MB+ (I know, threnody exists but not directly applicable).

DD:
You know the story, sometimes based on strategies, like damage type, SC, TP nerf, etc. Some damage types and WSes are just not great (Axe).

What we know about SE:
SE won't improve jobs like BST/DRG/THF with Majesty-like improvements to re-imagine the role. Overlapping gimmicks like defense-down/attack-down options are typically relegated for the most optimal offering, (i.e. 19% vs 28% vs 30-something percent, etc).

SE won't add FF13-style paradigms to give your party an Aura for having a certain combination of jobs.

If you take all of this into consideration, the result is what we have today: Your ordinary players will just play the jobs they enjoy the most, intersecting with what the current meta is.

Some people multibox because of how necessary the above jobs are in a functional party in specific content. It's possible that there just isn't enough humans who want to play WHM in a super-stressful situation, 30-minutes/day every day.

I'm not making excuses for multi-boxers, but it's an organic reaction to the lack of SE's development efforts. No one bats an eye at how efficient gear-swap LUAs have become over the years, because optimal performing characters is OK, but multi-boxing isn't because it monopolizes server resources.

If a player doesn't contribute more than 3 jobs in at least 3 different play-style varieties, someone is going to get frustrated and quit FFXI, join Horizon OR quit entirely. But there's another option: they become become a multi-boxer.

I would love to see what SE would do if a huge chunk of the player base just un-subscribed for the month of March. SE can make this better, but they just choose not to. (This is also why many third-party developers have stepped in to provide features that SE hasn't, like UI enhancements, QoL, accessibility etc).
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By Asura.Sialeed 2023-01-21 00:25:51
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Actually right after I posted seeking an LS with the mental strength and Social IQ and be able to work together as a team to progress to endgame content blue spoons posted his message and my profile gets hacked. If you think I am lying speak with Rook in discord he is in both ffxiah discord as well as windower. Secondly, I never slandered bluespoons ls but since he decided to throw some shots at me it's great your ls is celebrating my leaving I dropped the ls on my own accord. Also to add remind you Tiddys was crying to big dad bluespoons I was telling him how to play a game he was talking to me about BLM I have it in logger the who conversation. It isn't my fault you and your ls are snowflakes and those who posted slandering statements. I am a blunt person I watched more people die in person than you watched your elders go. It is called war bud I lived it so grow up and stop living under a rock. lastly i never even if I hated bluespoons would send him a malware package also they ffxiah team already determined it was not me who sent it they asked me questions for about 40 mins. they may be adding a 2nd authentication because of this situation. I dislike people like bluespoons who mouth off then swap servers change there names come back and trash-talk people behind there backs. I have always helped people build weapons build gearsets never talked down to them I asked questions to see if you have the intelligence to come up with a formatted thought on how the job is played. If I was going to gear you to play that defeats the purpose of playing the game with people. You guys think I am stupid and that is why you guys slandering me still. But news flash btw my profile as well as people who had old accounts was hacked also it was not just me.
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By Bahamut.Svedin 2023-01-21 02:48:29
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Sorry it was a poor attempt at an inside joke, it seemed like a good idea while drunk.

Carbuncle.Nynja said: »


edit: your quote thing broke because you deleted the first [ quote]
Thanks, I don't post much so I don't know the fancy things.
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By Valefor.Godsblackarm 2023-01-21 03:01:34
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Asura.Sialeed said: »
Actually right after I posted seeking an LS with the mental strength and Social IQ and be able to work together as a team to progress to endgame content blue spoons posted his message and my profile gets hacked. If you think I am lying speak with Rook in discord he is in both ffxiah discord as well as windower. Secondly, I never slandered bluespoons ls but since he decided to throw some shots at me it's great your ls is celebrating my leaving I dropped the ls on my own accord. Also to add remind you Tiddys was crying to big dad bluespoons I was telling him how to play a game he was talking to me about BLM I have it in logger the who conversation. It isn't my fault you and your ls are snowflakes and those who posted slandering statements. I am a blunt person I watched more people die in person than you watched your elders go. It is called war bud I lived it so grow up and stop living under a rock. lastly i never even if I hated bluespoons would send him a malware package also they ffxiah team already determined it was not me who sent it they asked me questions for about 40 mins. they may be adding a 2nd authentication because of this situation. I dislike people like bluespoons who mouth off then swap servers change there names come back and trash-talk people behind there backs. I have always helped people build weapons build gearsets never talked down to them I asked questions to see if you have the intelligence to come up with a formatted thought on how the job is played. If I was going to gear you to play that defeats the purpose of playing the game with people. You guys think I am stupid and that is why you guys slandering me still. But news flash btw my profile as well as people who had old accounts was hacked also it was not just me.

There will be those who read this letter and think, I don’t like it! The author should be silenced! These are the same people who label Bluespoons a hero and overlook his prurient attempts to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity. Let’s review the errors in his statements in order. First, the longer we delay action, the harder it will be to follow knowledge like a sinking star beyond the utmost bound of human thought.

Currently, Bluespoons lacks the clout to encourage every sort of indiscipline and degeneracy in the name of freedom. But quicker than you can double-check the spelling of counterdisengagement, he will have enough exponents to teach the next generation how to hate—and whom to hate. I want to be sure that I am clear: I do not believe that he is God’s representative on Earth. Rather, my point is that I’ve heard numerous complaints about Bluespoons’s behavior. Many people I’ve talked to have complained that Bluespoons comports himself like a filthy pig, heedless of all needs but his own. Among these needs the paramount one seems to be the need to impose a glass ceiling that limits our opportunities for promotions in most jobs. This backs up my point that you should check out some of the things he’s saying about historical negationism. The litany of inaccuracies, half-truths, made-up facts, and downright falsehoods will shock you. And I won’t even bother mentioning that with Bluespoons so forcefully undermining the basic values of work, responsibility, and family, things are starting to come to a head. That’s why we must encourage individuals to come out of their cocoons and flourish. True, accomplishing that is not easy, but I think that he needs to come to terms with his malevolent past. You probably think that too. But Bluespoons does not think that.

Bluespoons thinks that his analects were penned in defense of democracy. Democracy, in fact, has become his favorite word for defending his violent assault on democracy. Whenever Bluespoons uses the word, rest assured that he’s not interested in your freedom, only in subordinating all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. Faced by such despicable perfidy and the frustration of not being able to respond to the same audiences as Bluespoons has had, I must indeed shed the light of truth on the evil that is Bluespoons. May we never forget this if we are to deny Bluespoons and his adjutants a chance to submerge us in a sea of interventionism.
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Full stops, paragraph breaks, have you heard of it?
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