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Seekers of Adoulin reward rings - 2022 edition
Cerberus.Echohawk
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By Cerberus.Echohawk 2022-09-07 03:50:50
In defense of vocane, it's been great on my dedicated GEO, since pet Regen/dt items are often mutually exclusive with player DT. GEO of course loses value each time new content releases geo resistant mobs. Another very niche use, but I think it's justifiable.
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-09-07 06:43:30
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »At least one crafter in my ls doesn't consider orvail as important anymore because there are now 2 other rings running around that give at least hq+1. In essence picking that as a reward is now for skillups and a mild increase in materials saved during breaks.
I mean sure it doesn't seem like much when you say "mild increase in materials saved during breaks" but when you consider that those materials might be worth 4-5m each, saving one is...kinda a big deal?
It's +2. This probably isn't a straight 2%. It's actual boost is filtered through the 20% boost from shield+enchant, ionis, rusks,confectioner's ring,the item HQing aka a successful synth and the base rate for not losing materials in the first place.
And if we're being generous about SE here, it'll be a roll for each material instead of being even further diluted by rolling rng on which piece is saved in the first place.
In order to grind out synths enough to save that theoretical 5 mil extra even in the most optimistic scenario, you've flooded the market, been undercut by RMT (or general competition) for a bigger loss than the 5 mil, and may have to server hop to offload that since not every synth in the game uses 5 mil mats.
More realistically you should also be doing crafts that don't have 5 mil msts like Divergence gear.
You are vastly overestimating how much gil that ring is saving you and after spending a billion gil on the shield, that 5 mil you're touting should be piss in the wind to you.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2022-09-07 09:26:56
Quote: It's +2. This probably isn't a straight 2%. It's actual boost is filtered through the 20% boost from shield+enchant, ionis, rusks,confectioner's ring,the item HQing aka a successful synth and the base rate for not losing materials in the first place.
And if we're being generous about SE here, it'll be a roll for each material instead of being even further diluted by rolling rng on which piece is saved in the first place.
In order to grind out synths enough to save that theoretical 5 mil extra even in the most optimistic scenario, you've flooded the market, been undercut by RMT (or general competition) for a bigger loss than the 5 mil, and may have to server hop to offload that since not every synth in the game uses 5 mil mats.
More realistically you should also be doing crafts that don't have 5 mil msts like Divergence gear.
You are vastly overestimating how much gil that ring is saving you and after spending a billion gil on the shield, that 5 mil you're touting should be piss in the wind to you.
With a shield you are constantly breaking synths, that's like...the whole thing it does. Which means that you're constantly having +2% chance to retain those mats. Sure, not every mat is 3-4m, but pretty much any synth worth a damn has at least one mat worth 1m or more, and generally a whole bunch of 250-700k mats. Saving any of those is a huge relief, especially when you're breaking 20 synths in a row.
Sure, we can't be positive how the 2% is factored in to the other chance to retain mats, but it is a bonus. And you also get +1 to HQ rate to boot. It's the BiS crafting ring and nothing compares.
Sure, you might say "you're already so rich, who cares about having a couple extra mil here or there?" but that's a joke of an argument. Oh you already have so much gil, do you really want more?
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-09-07 09:49:14
And compared to the 150~+ mil any of the other rings are "worth" since a BiS item equivalent for the other rings costs about that much it is nothing.
And yes it is a boost. I have at no point said that it isn't. The point here is that you are vastly overvaluing how big of a boost that is when it's low enough that you're losing more gil from flooding the market with your synths (and thusly lowering the prices) than you're getting out of the ring so long as you're crafting enough for you to reasonably say it has probably saved you a material.
Best case scenario for picking that ring is the middle ground of spending bayld to swap rings on a preplanned crafting spree before going back to your real ring.
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Phoenix.Shantae
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By Phoenix.Shantae 2022-09-07 10:27:00
I was a big fan of Vocane Ring for this career BRD character of mine, since I could have it + Defending Ring in my song buff sets. Now that the BRD empyrean head and gloves get pretty hefty DT at +2, I suppose Vocane is losing its noteworthiness. Might be time to swap soon!
Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2022-09-07 10:42:30
You wear two rings, right? I'm saying Epam/Kari+1 as the top 2 BiS pair for various WS.
Not really. It's Sroda/Epam for almost every (STR or not, just not pure dex WSC like Rudra) WS at capped attack, because 15STR and3%PDL>4%WSD even for WSs without STR mod. For uncapped attack Regal easily wins for almost everything and Sroda also wins for heavily STR WSC WSs (and if it's Trust scenario it's not even competition).
Overall Kari+1 wins only for maybe something like Rudra at capped attack, but it 0.16% win even then. It doesn't even win with Sroda at capped attack for WS like Blade: ten which is 30%STR 30%DEX, despite -20DEX on Sroda (and significantly lose to Regal at uncapped attack ofc).
Simon is 100% trying to get your Gastra the Weatherspoon it deserves.
By Sockfoot 2022-09-07 11:13:32
At the very least, Shneddick is an easy choice for mules.
I suppose this is true (at least for mules that don't craft). But if you're truly talking about mules (and not like, well geared multibox alts), well, IDK about everybody else but I do not give a damn about bringing my mules all the way through SoA storyline for a movement speed ring. Mine can run to the AH with their 8% Track Pants +1, or 12% nation Aketons or Trotter's Boots. That's plenty good for me lol. The time I saved from not bringing them through the entire SoA mission line more than outweighs the time I'd save with a little more movement+ for running around town. You are right, I should've said multibox alts.
Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-09-07 11:45:56
Simon is 100% trying to get your Gastra the Weatherspoon it deserves.
Hahahaha, yes, this is EXACTLY how I read it. I might be able to be convinced that Kari+1 is less necessary now that Sroda is around. But if that's the case, my swap would be for the glorious light of Weatherspoon, not the ability to run around in a higher meva/def idle movement+ set.
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By Asura.Elizabet 2022-09-07 12:02:19
For the glorious light of Weatherspoon!
And so, the pioneers of Adoulin ventured forth into the wilds on a sortie, envigored with renewed hope and promises of +3.
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By Hopalong 2022-09-07 12:28:59
You guys are some knowledgeable people, but anytime I see "capped attack" in comparison conversation I just ignore the conclusion lol.
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By SimonSes 2022-09-08 02:40:50
You guys are some knowledgeable people, but anytime I see "capped attack" in comparison conversation I just ignore the conclusion lol.
Usually when I talk about attack capped setup, it's followed by uncapped attack setup :)
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Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-09-08 14:55:28
I was a big fan of Vocane Ring for this career BRD character of mine, since I could have it + Defending Ring in my song buff sets. Now that the BRD empyrean head and gloves get pretty hefty DT at +2, I suppose Vocane is losing its noteworthiness. Might be time to swap soon!
That's a fairly niche choice, but yeah I can see it for that specific use for a BRD only character. And there aren't many other choices that are that much more amazing for a dedicated BRD. Karieyh prob the best alternative as a WS piece (no Regal Ring on BRD) for Savage Blade if not using Epam/Sroda.
Good point on the Empy+2 pieces changing some things though. One example of a non-Vocane capped DT singing set (for most buff songs) that Empy+2 opened up:
10% DT- Empy +2 head
10% DT- Empy +2 hands
10% DT- D.Ring
10% PDT- JSE cape
7% PDT- Gelatinous Ring +1
3% DT- Odnowa Earring +1
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DT-33% and PDT-17%. PDT capped, Shell picks up the rest of your MDT. Still leaves instrument/ranged free for instruments, neck free for Moonbow Whistle, and body/legs/feet for song duration pieces. Guess you can just take the risk from swapping out a DT-10% piece when singing Etudes or Carols in Mousai head/hands, or Paeon in AF head ;)
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Spurred by some recent discussion on the NIN forum (mostly about Shneddick Ring), I'm curious to see general opinions on rings given the current state of the game. To me, this is always a choice that is highly dependent on personal situation and the jobs/tasks/strategies that are important to the person. But there are also points that are broadly relevant. My take below, but absolutely interested in other people's thoughts here!
Personally, I'd lump the reward rings into 4 tiers:
(1)Irreplaceable if you care about the stat:
Orvail Ring: Totally unique crafting piece, so worthwhile for high end crafting characters. Niche use case for sure, but overwhelmingly useful for that niche to the point of being impossible to pass up.
(2)Valuable options in 2022:
Karieyh Ring: This has been reduced a bit in utility with newer WSD options (Epaminondas's, Beithir for most jobs), or something like Sroda Ring for capped attack STR WS for the jobs that can use it. But still, WSD+4% from Karieyh +1 remains a top 2 ring for many commonly used WS by a wide variety of jobs. Aside from that, it doubles as a nifty utility piece with Regain+5 for idle sets (not the reason to pick the ring, but a nice perk). The NQ version (WSD+3%) is a harder sell, but the +1 (WSD+4%) still holds up today.
Also relevant that other WS ring options like Epam and Sroda are quite expensive, and still other common WS options like Regal Ring are not easily obtained. So, I could see someone who can't afford those or get drops using Kari as a great "free" alternative (which you can always drop later to switch to another ring if/when you get the other WS options).
Shneddick Ring: I always kinda viewed this as a piece for mules or for convenience, for the 18% movement speed on one piece instead of having to get a movement speed piece for each job (some of which cap at 12% from other options too). If you aren't able to make use of Orvail, Karieyh, or Weatherspoon... I can see this as the reasonable next choice over the other super-niche options. However... I've seen others make arguments that this is the best choice in 2022 due to the ability to put together 18% movement speed sets with better defensive stats by getting movement in the ring slot and using the legs/feet they would have otherwise used (e.g., Carmine +1 legs) for a stronger Meva/Eva/DT piece.
Personally, I'm not entirely convinced - it's certainly YMMV as to whether you're pulling large groups of mobs and needing BOTH movement speed and strong defense at the same time. And for examples something like pulling a pack of mobs in Sheol, Sortie, Omen... I can see the argument for better defensive gear, but do you really need 18% movement speed for that? You aren't kiting stuff, you're basically rounding up a few mobs in a relatively small area and letting them swing away at you. So, I see this more as a niche piece for a puller who really wants to have both movement speed and max defensive sets at the same time (maybe a PLD rounding up huge pulls of Apex mobs or something).
Weatherspoon Ring: Almost in the top category of irreplaceable, since you can't get light elemental affinity in any other non-weapon slot. By far the best in slot choice for light elemental WS like Trueflight, Seraph Blade, Primal Rend. Doubling as a BiS Fast Case piece is just gravy - I don't know that I'd suggest anyone pick this just for the little bit of additional fast cast these days over the other available options, but if you're already able to make use of the ring for light WS purposes, FC is a nice little perk.
(3) Super situational, probably not worth it for anyone but people who really care about that ultra-specific niche:
Haverton Ring: BiS Snapshot Ring (and one of only two options along with Crepuscular's Snap+3), BiS Ranged Accuracy Ring, and the only DW ring means it does have some possible uses with slightly less orthodox sets. But you give up a lot to get it, particularly for RNG being one of the jobs that would most care about ranged stats having a phemomenal DPS alternative in Weatherspoon. Could be possibly useful for super niche purposes like a THF wanting to do a lot of ranged DPS in Sheol Gaol fights, or even a COR getting some use out of DW, Racc, and Snap (at the expense of other ring options).
Janniston Ring: Cure potency II/Enm- can be useful. Probably need to be a super dedicated WHM to care though, and not get use out of the other options. But I could see this for a WHM only dualbox bot or something.
Thurandaut Ring: Is it a good pet-only ring? Sure. Is it necessary? Nah. Has some niche use for things like PUP automaton-only Overdrive fights, but for other purposes like pet DT sets it's... sort of irrelevant? Easy to cap pet DT without this, so tends to be more useful for pet haste/acc/atk, which you don't really need when PUP tanking. BST's lack of current emphasis on pet DPS means it's not so important for that job (and a hardcore BST who has an Aymur would be really tempted to go Weatherspoon for those sweet Primal Rends). Varar/+1 and C.Palug Ring existing means that there are good alternatives without giving up your one Adoulin reward.
Woltaris Ring: Well, Woltaris +1 giving refresh +2 is BiS for idle, and Sublimation at least gives is some additional utility beyond what Renaye Ring offers. But with Stikini+1 existing for Refresh+1 per ring slot, it's a minimal gain and seems like a waste of a reward. If you're picking for idle piece only, movement speed +18% may be more useful.
(4) No good argument to pick tier
Adoulin Ring: A little bit of everything = not particularly good at anything. Basically, any possible use for this, you could replace with a better 2 ring combo for better results.
Gorney Ring: TH+1 is unique in the slot, but ultimately pretty useless. For non-THFs who care about keeping a TH+4 (maximum level from non-THF or RNG), we already have a very easily obtained all jobs TH+1 belt (Chaac) and ammo (Perfect Lucky Egg), and then you only need a single piece of DM-augmented TH+2 Reisenjima gear to cap. I guess if you reeeeealy wanted that as a placeholder until getting a TH Oseem augment, you could always drop this ring and replace later - but that's a real stretch of a solid use case.
Renaye Ring: If you really wanted refresh +2, Woltaris +1 gives that too and has better additional idle stats (regen/sublimation). Singing/Geomancy skill is irrelevant and can be obtained in other slots, and blue magic skill is of extremely minimal importance (e.g, unlikely chance that this skill from ring slot results in hitting another tier on Occultation, versus next best options of Stikini/+1)
Vocane Ring: I see some people who like this one, and honestly I don't get it. It's the second best DT- in the ring slot, true. But it's not hard for any job in the game to cap DT- without Vocane, especially now that Nyame set exists. I guess there's some use in reducing knockback (for people who don't cheat use Anchor :P), but not enough to make it worth picking this ring, IMO.
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