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By Cerberus.Echohawk 2022-09-07 03:50:50
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In defense of vocane, it's been great on my dedicated GEO, since pet Regen/dt items are often mutually exclusive with player DT. GEO of course loses value each time new content releases geo resistant mobs. Another very niche use, but I think it's justifiable.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-09-07 06:43:30
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
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At least one crafter in my ls doesn't consider orvail as important anymore because there are now 2 other rings running around that give at least hq+1. In essence picking that as a reward is now for skillups and a mild increase in materials saved during breaks.

I mean sure it doesn't seem like much when you say "mild increase in materials saved during breaks" but when you consider that those materials might be worth 4-5m each, saving one is...kinda a big deal?

It's +2. This probably isn't a straight 2%. It's actual boost is filtered through the 20% boost from shield+enchant, ionis, rusks,confectioner's ring,the item HQing aka a successful synth and the base rate for not losing materials in the first place.
And if we're being generous about SE here, it'll be a roll for each material instead of being even further diluted by rolling rng on which piece is saved in the first place.

In order to grind out synths enough to save that theoretical 5 mil extra even in the most optimistic scenario, you've flooded the market, been undercut by RMT (or general competition) for a bigger loss than the 5 mil, and may have to server hop to offload that since not every synth in the game uses 5 mil mats.
More realistically you should also be doing crafts that don't have 5 mil msts like Divergence gear.

You are vastly overestimating how much gil that ring is saving you and after spending a billion gil on the shield, that 5 mil you're touting should be piss in the wind to you.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2022-09-07 09:26:56
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It's +2. This probably isn't a straight 2%. It's actual boost is filtered through the 20% boost from shield+enchant, ionis, rusks,confectioner's ring,the item HQing aka a successful synth and the base rate for not losing materials in the first place.
And if we're being generous about SE here, it'll be a roll for each material instead of being even further diluted by rolling rng on which piece is saved in the first place.

In order to grind out synths enough to save that theoretical 5 mil extra even in the most optimistic scenario, you've flooded the market, been undercut by RMT (or general competition) for a bigger loss than the 5 mil, and may have to server hop to offload that since not every synth in the game uses 5 mil mats.
More realistically you should also be doing crafts that don't have 5 mil msts like Divergence gear.

You are vastly overestimating how much gil that ring is saving you and after spending a billion gil on the shield, that 5 mil you're touting should be piss in the wind to you.

With a shield you are constantly breaking synths, that's like...the whole thing it does. Which means that you're constantly having +2% chance to retain those mats. Sure, not every mat is 3-4m, but pretty much any synth worth a damn has at least one mat worth 1m or more, and generally a whole bunch of 250-700k mats. Saving any of those is a huge relief, especially when you're breaking 20 synths in a row.

Sure, we can't be positive how the 2% is factored in to the other chance to retain mats, but it is a bonus. And you also get +1 to HQ rate to boot. It's the BiS crafting ring and nothing compares.

Sure, you might say "you're already so rich, who cares about having a couple extra mil here or there?" but that's a joke of an argument. Oh you already have so much gil, do you really want more?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-09-07 09:49:14
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And compared to the 150~+ mil any of the other rings are "worth" since a BiS item equivalent for the other rings costs about that much it is nothing.
And yes it is a boost. I have at no point said that it isn't. The point here is that you are vastly overvaluing how big of a boost that is when it's low enough that you're losing more gil from flooding the market with your synths (and thusly lowering the prices) than you're getting out of the ring so long as you're crafting enough for you to reasonably say it has probably saved you a material.

Best case scenario for picking that ring is the middle ground of spending bayld to swap rings on a preplanned crafting spree before going back to your real ring.
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By Phoenix.Shantae 2022-09-07 10:27:00
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I was a big fan of Vocane Ring for this career BRD character of mine, since I could have it + Defending Ring in my song buff sets. Now that the BRD empyrean head and gloves get pretty hefty DT at +2, I suppose Vocane is losing its noteworthiness. Might be time to swap soon!
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2022-09-07 10:42:30
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SimonSes said: »
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You wear two rings, right? I'm saying Epam/Kari+1 as the top 2 BiS pair for various WS.

Not really. It's Sroda/Epam for almost every (STR or not, just not pure dex WSC like Rudra) WS at capped attack, because 15STR and3%PDL>4%WSD even for WSs without STR mod. For uncapped attack Regal easily wins for almost everything and Sroda also wins for heavily STR WSC WSs (and if it's Trust scenario it's not even competition).

Overall Kari+1 wins only for maybe something like Rudra at capped attack, but it 0.16% win even then. It doesn't even win with Sroda at capped attack for WS like Blade: ten which is 30%STR 30%DEX, despite -20DEX on Sroda (and significantly lose to Regal at uncapped attack ofc).

Simon is 100% trying to get your Gastra the Weatherspoon it deserves.
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By Sockfoot 2022-09-07 11:13:32
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
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At the very least, Shneddick is an easy choice for mules.

I suppose this is true (at least for mules that don't craft). But if you're truly talking about mules (and not like, well geared multibox alts), well, IDK about everybody else but I do not give a damn about bringing my mules all the way through SoA storyline for a movement speed ring. Mine can run to the AH with their 8% Track Pants +1, or 12% nation Aketons or Trotter's Boots. That's plenty good for me lol. The time I saved from not bringing them through the entire SoA mission line more than outweighs the time I'd save with a little more movement+ for running around town.
You are right, I should've said multibox alts.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-09-07 11:45:56
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Simon is 100% trying to get your Gastra the Weatherspoon it deserves.

Hahahaha, yes, this is EXACTLY how I read it. I might be able to be convinced that Kari+1 is less necessary now that Sroda is around. But if that's the case, my swap would be for the glorious light of Weatherspoon, not the ability to run around in a higher meva/def idle movement+ set.
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By Asura.Elizabet 2022-09-07 12:02:19
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
For the glorious light of Weatherspoon!

And so, the pioneers of Adoulin ventured forth into the wilds on a sortie, envigored with renewed hope and promises of +3.
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By Hopalong 2022-09-07 12:28:59
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You guys are some knowledgeable people, but anytime I see "capped attack" in comparison conversation I just ignore the conclusion lol.
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By SimonSes 2022-09-08 02:40:50
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Hopalong said: »
You guys are some knowledgeable people, but anytime I see "capped attack" in comparison conversation I just ignore the conclusion lol.

Usually when I talk about attack capped setup, it's followed by uncapped attack setup :)
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-09-08 14:55:28
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Phoenix.Shantae said: »
I was a big fan of Vocane Ring for this career BRD character of mine, since I could have it + Defending Ring in my song buff sets. Now that the BRD empyrean head and gloves get pretty hefty DT at +2, I suppose Vocane is losing its noteworthiness. Might be time to swap soon!

That's a fairly niche choice, but yeah I can see it for that specific use for a BRD only character. And there aren't many other choices that are that much more amazing for a dedicated BRD. Karieyh prob the best alternative as a WS piece (no Regal Ring on BRD) for Savage Blade if not using Epam/Sroda.

Good point on the Empy+2 pieces changing some things though. One example of a non-Vocane capped DT singing set (for most buff songs) that Empy+2 opened up:
10% DT- Empy +2 head
10% DT- Empy +2 hands
10% DT- D.Ring
10% PDT- JSE cape
7% PDT- Gelatinous Ring +1
3% DT- Odnowa Earring +1
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DT-33% and PDT-17%. PDT capped, Shell picks up the rest of your MDT. Still leaves instrument/ranged free for instruments, neck free for Moonbow Whistle, and body/legs/feet for song duration pieces. Guess you can just take the risk from swapping out a DT-10% piece when singing Etudes or Carols in Mousai head/hands, or Paeon in AF head ;)
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