April 2022 Version Update

Millionaire’s desk.

Also make sure you charge the goblin’s right arm to trigger self destruct from his bomb toss

That was the one!

It’s funny you mentioned superstitions and millionaire’s desk. There used to be a rumor that “Lucky Egg” gave a hidden effect of Treasure Hunter. SE decided to recently poke fun at the player’s expense and give Perfect Lucky Egg from TVR missions, which was a clear jab at the player for thinking the original gave TH. They did something similar with Tasaijin and refresh scroll.

Maybe if enough people believe the Trove hocus pocus, they might actually make them come true.

I'll believe that any loud thud can have crep when you show a non bb screenshot of someone getting it after opening 3+ chests. Every time we've gotten screencaps of the crep/malignance/volte drops, they've all accompanied a bb loud thud. It's not pseudoscience, if anything it's just a massive coincidence right???

Also, stating "this isn't how something was before they changed it" is a kinda disturbing line of thinking. They added this thing but there's no way it could mean they added something else... Right???

Edit; Naw *** it just believe what you want

I didn't think this was a thing or I would have SS'd my Crep Cloak. It was a noise > noise > LT or some ***, it only had 4 drops. I also had a Malig body drop without BB. In all honesty, I've only personally had BBs like 3 or 4 times.

The thing is, this is what others would say is proof that bb couldn't be a separate pool, but for the first 3 chests you don't get bb notifications, which does not mean that they weren't bblt chests, I meant, receiving a loud thud after 3 other chests without any notification and then receiving the bblt pool of spoils.

Ie, I open 3+x chests and never get any bb notifications, 4th/5th/6th/7th/8th chest is loud thud, I exit, I receive crep/malig/volte.

Receiving a first-third chest loud thud could be win or lose on the pool. After that my hypothesis is BB is a notification of the higher level spoils pool.

I really don't think they did anything to make BB more rewarding than a typical LT. You have to remember, all of these additions were made in effort to increase the reward threshold. This means that while people will still be getting junk from LT, they will be getting much more LT on average so a better overall result.


I actually like this adjustment. I wasn't sure at first, but after consideration I think it makes the event more desirable. I know that there are probably people who would rather have a much more rare LT pool. Sure it would be nice to know you're getting something amazing every time you get a LT, but... would you really want the 1/50 LT/Orb ratio that comes with it?

I’m going through a lot of Mars orbs and I’ve only seen so many BB messages.

note: the first 3 chests always have the possibility of being a belligerent bang LT without notification, like I've said before. What I'm saying is, once the barrier of 3 chests has been reached, without notification, receiving a loud thud after that, is not a belligerent bang for sure. Any loud thud in that situation, in my hypothesis, will ever have the result you received. That is what I'd like to see which means everyone else is right, and loud thuds can be anything. Versus what I believe is correct is there is a separate pool specifically for Belligerent Bang Loud Thuds, that is determined before the first chest is even opened.

It's not a situation someone is going to run into quickly, and if my presupposition is correct, ever.

I don't know if you noticed, but after you opened your loud thud, you still had a belligerent bang. Which means that loud thud, "Was not the droid you were looking for," per my hypothesis.

But please, the more data we get, the better it will be for posterity and once someone proves my hypothesis wrong once that's all it will take.

Also, I think it was unclear because people seem to think belligerent bang increases any spoils. My original position has been and still is that the belligerent bang is a specific chest. Not any loud thud, one or more specific loud thuds.

Edit: also the evidence I'm looking for has nothing to do with receiving belligerent bangs, and everything to do with *NOT* receiving belligerent bang and receiving higher tier loot that was recently added from HTBF's(I'm assuming Odin-Shinryu) and or Volte Pieces from Dynamis. The goal is to show Any Loud thud after 3 chests has been opened that did not receive a belligerent bang provided any gear from those categories.

Receiving a loud thud prior to 3 or on chest 9 would be useless data points because it could or could not have been the hypothesized better loot pool(Read: Belligerent Bang) Loud thud or if the chest is truly replaced due to the new mechanic of the 50/50 Choice.

Furthermore, the whole question this seeks to answer, are all loud thuds equal in distribution of loot. Even if it's a terrible chance for good loot without a belligerent bang, it's still a chance. Which is preferable to what my hypothesis is, and that's "we moved the goal post to keep the rare loot rare, but increased the odds of a loud thud to make you feel better", which is an entirely believable SE line of thinking (Shinryu dropping Ring/Earring/Pebble Every single fight being the most recent example of this EXACT methodology "You get something good every time").

I think the "Belligerent Bang" is just a bad translation... The JP version equivalent just gives the following message:

「残りの木箱からとてもとても大きな音が聞こえそうな気がする！！」
(Google Translate) I feel like I can hear a very, very loud noise from the rest of the wooden box!!!

So it is just a hint that there is a Loud Thud in the remaining boxes...

So, given what you just said is a translation (Google translate grain of salt added) Shouldn't this be viewed as, Noise -> Thud -> Loud Thud -> Very Loud Thud? Which, again supports the original hypothesis, I'm sure the JP's aren't receiving a different notification for the specific chest like "You heard a very loud thud from spoils entering the coffer" but again the translation of what Belligerent Bang is supposed to be still lends credence to this is a different "Sound" box, and once it's opened you no longer hear a "Very, Very loud thud"

No, because the JP version of Loud Thud = とてもとても大きな音. Not another type of "sound."

大きな音 = Noise
とても大きな音 = Thud
とてもとても大きな音 = Loud Thud

That looks entirely reasonable, I'm still going to stand by my hypothesis though, even though your statement is pretty damaging to the idea. Being notified of the sound doesn't happen for all loud thuds though is my problem. When multiple runs I've hit 3 non loud, received no notification and received a loud after that wasn't box 9, would lead me to believe there is something remarkable about the specific boxes being notified. But truly everything you said makes perfect sense and it does cause problems with the premise,

But there remains the question of why is this not a common sound to every run past 3 chests that contain a Loud Thud? If it were just an indication that a loud thud is present, then it should be present in all runs where a loud thud is present before the final 2 selection.

Belligerent bang is just a stupid thing to have called it, as it could have just as easily led one to believe that it is signaling an increased chance of a mimic or something. Obviously we know that isn't what it does, but the word "belligerent" is an entirely negative word and isn't something you'd typically expect to follow to find great rewards.

The JP wiki doesn't say that the message will always be displayed. (http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/37359.html). It just says that a message will appear after opening several boxes. So I just think it is random chance if you get the message regardless of the existence of a Loud Thud in the remaining boxes. Probably a typical SE RNG to make you guess that there is some higher rule that it hidden. I like your hypothesis, though!

Square are usually put a lot of thought into when they name things, Belligerent is probably named the way it is for a reason.

It's most likely just communicating that ths noise itself is loud and belligerant in-universe.

Their translation guys can't even get grammar / logic correct half the time, I wouldn't put too much thought into a single word choice done by the translation team. The game designers aren't consulting on each word, in all likelihood.

You know these are different people, data entry is not the same as translation or people who come up with terminology.

That really depends on if you consider 'belligerent bang' terminology or just flavor text. The same thing being referenced in 2 places doesn't mean the dev team had to approve it, a translator is going to translate the same phrase the same way multiple places, especially if it's in the same order and obviously referencing the same occurance.

FFXI has a skeleton team, I think you overestimate the personal involvement in things like this.

I posted a picture a few pages back of a triple Loud Thud with no BB notification that gave two Volte bodies and a pulse. People aren't disagreeing with you for the sake of it, they've seen the proof against your claim in this thread a few times now...

It's possible the message could have a double meaning and it could just as easily be another mimic as a lt, if it was a 100% positive they would of called it something else. Low effort would of been to call it lucky bang, bongo bang or rainbow bang, when they specifically use a word such as belligerent you have to question why.



I dunno why people keep saying this, it doesn't matter at all.

XI is not a standalone product made by a small studio, it's created as part of business division 5 and so can use teams and assets from that division without having to fund them year around alone.

The entire point of having a business division is to create teams that can work on multiple projects so one game doesn't have to fund them all year around.

To his point, Mimics make a pretty loud thumping noise when they use their Death Trap move. Based on our history with Mimics, there is a good bit of ambiguity in the message that could make someone believe "Belligerent Bang" is referring to the obnoxious end result of meeting Mimic. If not for the testimonials of others in this thread, based on my limited sample size and only seeing the messages on one run, I could easily see that message as being a hot/cold game warning about incoming Mimic soon, and to either risk it all for more loot or exit before i lose everything. (They could have modeled it exactly like this: give a random chance of a battlefield loaded extra Mimics, but the treasure is significantly better than other instances) Again, that's not what it is (because Greyson says otherwise), but the use of the term Belligerent Bang, as Prothescar pointed out, is poor phraseology in this particular instance.