April 2022 Version Update

I wanted to do the dumb. Got BB message and LT on chest 7. popped chest 8 which got me a rainbow for chest 9.
this with a venus

I keep getting a mimic by 2nd or 3rd chest, no BB message or rainbow chests for me

lmao... RNGesus hates me

Statistically this isn't a "dumb" move, because over a large sample size it's just the same as exiting on that 7th chest loud thud.

Here's why;
by taking the chance on that 7th chest LT, 50% of the time you'll get two LT chests, and 50% of the time you'll get a mimic and end up with nothing, which averages to 1 LT per run (which is the same as stopping when you get the 7th chest LT).

Well not exactly.

It's not exactly a 1:1 double or nothing, you're risking 1 LT and your thuds/noises which could have Void Cor:feet! and/or an instant 5m.

Ever so slightly worse to risk it. Strictly speaking.

there are 3 chests remaining when you open the 8th chest, so it's actually more like:
33.3% mimic
49.95 loud thud
16.65 thud

which is a little bit better. You also get whatever was in the 8th chest itself. I would risk it.

Doesn't this show that bb is connected to a specific chest and not loud thuds in general?

I mean, BB message literally stops right after LT is opened, but never before that. And every single person who has commented on receiving the BB message has indicated that it stopped after opening the LT. Seems pretty clear to me?

If that weren't enough, Greyson himself tells you that BB message is linked to the highly sought after treasure, which would be LTs based on what we have seen from quality of drops.

Last night I got a BB message on third chest, noise + BB on fourth and loud thud on 5th chest with another BB after opening it. Didn't open any others.

Main chest was a noise so I assume if there is a second loud thud (non rainbow or non main chest) it continues to give message.

BB doesn't have to be 100%. You just need to collect enough data from a run that does have BB.




I represent what I believe to be true as the truth, I don't represent this as fact. I'm not claiming to have cracked the code to Trove or suggesting that there's a correct way to go about it. I really don't see anything wrong with accepting the most likely possibility, especially when it fits so well.




Do you recall if the middle chest also displayed the BB message when you left?

Very interesting! and important information

It did not

No, it shows he got BB for one Loud Thud, but haven't get for another. With BB not being 100%, you can't make any conclusion of that, because there is many possibilities and none is more proven than other. Few of them would be:

In this video at 7:17, you can see Bang doesn't stop after first LT.

Which also doesn't mean anything, because it can be several different reason for that scenario, all being evenly possibly.

Hmmm... thank you :D

The second LT in this example was from the Rainbow Chest, right? There would be no BB message for that one, since it replaces an older chest. Only if there was another non upgraded chest still on the floor might you get a persistent message.

I believe this shows that the bb is associated with a specific chest, like the person who posted greysons description with highly valuable loot. So in the case of loud thud and still getting bb, "this is not the Droid you were looking for". Is it possible to get 2 bb loud thuds I'm sure it is, but without a doubt you can say bb is not associated with any loud thud, but with a particular loud thud. Hence many people seeing voids vs the picture above with malignance.

It's a just loud thud indicator. If there's still a loud thud possible, it happens.

Keep opening till the bangs stop. Even if you hit multiple louds!

The only way to disprove that would be to get a BB message, open a LT and then successfully open the other chests to make sure there are no more other LTs on the board. If there are any, you would know that particular BB message earlier was specifically for that first LT and not the second LT. Logically, it wouldn't make sense for anybody to bother testing that, as you would just be risking potential treasure to prove a point.

I think the idea that the BB message is associated with a LT is pretty clear; whether it is intended for the first LT or any potential subsequent LTs on the board doesn't matter. The message's purpose is to lead you to picking more boxes and continuing to play the game. I don't think it matters one bit if BB is associated with THIS LT or THAT LT, just that it tells you there are any at all.

Because this is a game of chance, multiple things may or may not happen. Seems to be a theme with everything:

You may get a Rainbow/Gold box on entry.
You may or may see T/LTs on the board.
You may or may not get a BB message.
You may or may not get an upgraded Rainbow/Gold chest after 8 successful choices (someone else needs to validate).
You may or may not get a good item from the boxes.
You may or may not get a refreshed orb upon trading a used one to Greyson.

It's a complete game of chances and luck.

This cannot be true because there are many times I've personally experienced that chest 5 or 6 have been loud thud with no bb, it has to be directly tied to the loot of whatever "good" LT chest there is.


Specifically stating the bb is for sought after loot lends more credence to the fact that the bb is associated with the better loud thuds, not the typical void bs we've been seeing. Almost like it's creating a new tier of loud thud worth going after which was the original purpose of loud thud hunting prior to the deluge of items to the loud thud pool.

The fact remains people are saying that bb means there's a loud thud, yes. It does, it means there's a good one. Not just any. And the lack of a bb does not predicate there's no loud thud, just that there's not a mind blowing one present, which is the reason most of us want loud thuds in general.

It could also mean that BBs get "used up" by Loud Thuds (so if there were 2 Loud Thuds, BB would stop appearing regardless of which you opened) and there's a random chance of a 2nd BB appearing to replace the first (or equivalently, opening a LT only has a chance of using up a BB).

Has anyone taken a venus to 7 and not gotten a loud thud?

Yep. I took one all the way to the end a couple days after the update with no loud thuds. Last 2 gave me a gold chest (thud) and middle was also a thud. Had a similar situation pre-update where all but the mimic were opened and didn't get a single loud. Uncommon, but definitely possible.

Incredibly subjective. The game has no way of knowing which is the "better" loot, unless you think SE specifically programmed different tiers of LTs and every time we picked a void chest, we just got the "bad LT" instead. That seems unlikely. They just added Void items to the pool of LT items, the same as when you get a Nibiru item or some weak Vrikodara Jupon or something. The game also doesn't know what you already have until it drops to your pool. It could very well be that most LT gives something "valuable", but its replaced by something else if the game sees you already have it.

I normally run trove with multiple people and multiple characters, so at no point in time do I think we have 13 people with a single drop from the loud thud pool across all.

What I'm saying is the belligerent bang pool might be different than the loud thud pool. Because you can receive loud thuds without bang (Pool 1 - disgustingly full) and you can also pull a belligerent bang Loud thud (Pool 2 - the stuff people want(for the most part, still a largish pool afaik)). So my assumption
is they did code as separate pool to encompass this stuff, as no one has reported seeing crepuscular/malignance/volte gear outside of screenshots showing belligerent bangs preceding loud thuds.

Pool 4 (Worst) Noise
Pool 3 (Next lowest) Thud
Pool 2 (Large pool, some gems) Loud Thud
Pool 1 (The pool with the rarest drops) Belligerent Bang Loud Thud

Again this is saying that seeing "Belligerent Bang" is referring to specific chests. Those specific BBLT chests are the reason before the change people were taking loud thud and leaving, rare drops that are pains to get elsewhere are coming from them.

And you're completely correct stating that if someone has the gear the game wanted to give them it'll get replaced with something.

Just as people have been saying Belligerent Bangs aren't guaranteed, neither are Loud Thuds. When the pool of chests is generated, I believe that the game does know the contents of 10 Chests, in the form of 4 noise, 3 thud, 1 loud thud, 1 BB Loud Thud, 1 mimic. Every single entry prior to mimic, those numbers could be anything from 0-9, and I believe that gets generated when the encounter starts (I also believe that the final choice chest does have to be replaced if it's a noise as no one has reported the final chest didn't change color yet on an 8/10 run)

So given these thoughts, this is what I'm proposing.
Every Aman can look like any of these at the start and will not change until the final chest(8/11 is opened, 9 is subject to change (Noise becoming Either Thud or LT), 10 is mimic, and 11 is center chest, not subject to change).
6N, 3T, 0L, 0B, 1M
4N, 3T, 1L, 1B, 1M
2N, 2T, 4L, 1B, 1M
3N, 3T, 1L, 2B, 1M
(Noise, Thud, Loud, Bang, Mimic)

If this presupposition is true then yes, until you know a BB is in the pool or a possibility, you are opening "Bad" Loud Thuds. My suggestion is the new system created a 4th pool of more attractive drops because of the Loud Thud -> Leave mentality. The only change to this behavior I'm even suggesting is if you still have a belligerent bang on screen, you shouldn't leave until it's gone. And if you score a first second or third chest Loud thud, it's on you whether or not to leave or stay, personally I think 3 should be the minimum chest opened at this point to determine if you have a good run or not.

So you think SE created an entirely new tier of Loud Thud this past month to coincide with the Belligerent Bang message, based on loot quality? Now you’re reading into it too much. There has always been lower quality and higher quality drops from Loud Thud even before this past update to Trove. What you’re suggesting doesn’t line up with how the event was structured before these changes. Seems incredibly unlikely that SE would go through the steps of recoloring chests and providing messages to indicate remaining box quality, but the message indicating which tier of box treasure you just opened is ambiguous.

Seriously you guys are doing it all wrong. Gotta level up your ouija board game and use that to see if a chest is safe or not. I get that not everyone can be high level séance mediums, which is why they invented the magic eight ball. Not as accurate as asking long dead spirits but faster and more accessibly. Even has an online version for those too cheap to get the HQ from a local crafter.

https://www.indra.com/8ball/front.html

I can get behind trying to make sense of the event and crack the code, but once it starts moving towards FFXI pseudoscience, you completely lost me.

I recall a rumor back pre-2010 that there was a furnishing that mysteriously granted TH+1. This thread is starting to remind me of it.

We really can't let go of these superstitions lol.

The human brain is fascinating in that way.

You can know that something has near zero effect and still can't imagine a reality where you miss out on that chance no matter how small.