April 2022 Version Update

Literally what the ***??

One of the things i've been liking to do is bring along returning players to lot on stuff I don't need. What's junk to me, can be an improvement over sparks gear for them haha.

Also, ty for answers guys ^^.

mfw I can't even tell which drops were the thud or loud thud

I opened 5 chests and got 5 items, so it's not like anything hit the floor. Does this mean that Lustreless Hide boxes are in the loud thud pool? Because if so, lmao

Would have to assume the shard/void pieces are. I got a Lustreless box on my mostly noise run.

void wear is 100% loud thud, already been confirmed

From people's reported drops, it appears that:

Void = Loud Thud
Shard = Thud
Omen cards = Noise

moogle amp is a loud thud reward too

Yep they horribly diluted the Thud / Loud Thud pools. Still better drop rates then Shinryu.

Omen Scales are also on loud thud this one was appropriate

I think it's too early to say that, at least in terms of drop rates. It's pretty clear that each individual shard has a very low chance of appearing, so that all of them combined equals out to a moderate chance, larger than the really good stuff, but not the 90% chance that would happen if every void was equal to the other items.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys open until loud thud or just open some chests?

I open until LT. It's actually even easier to do now, since after 3 successful chests, the game will tell you if there are any LTs left on the board (Belligerent Bang), so you would know right away whether or not there is something valuable left to worth going for. At that point, you may as well go for 8 opened boxes for a free LT if all you've gotten so far was noises. I suppose there's a case to be made that you could exit if you get a couple of Thuds.

That's not Crepuscular....

How tf you get 3 loud thuds?

Made it to 9/10 chests. 8th was LT, then rainbow and finally middle was also a LT

That is the sort of luck I need

Things with set bonuses annoy me so much, I got Crep Helm and I wish I didn't cause now I need the body.

I didn't even care much about it before, but now I have to have it to get the set.

Crepuscular Helm works with Twilight Mail.

Does Belligerent Bang also include center chest LTs, or just the other ones?

Looking at Spookyfish's screenshot, there's no belligerent bang after the 7th chest(which was a thud), even though the 8th was a loud thud, the 9th was converted to a loud thud, and the final chest was a loud thud.

Maybe we're missing some requirement on the bang..?

Yeah, I've never seen a belligerent bang after 10 Mars orbs, despite always opening 4+1 chests.

One of my runs had a "loud thud" in the Terminal Chest which was never hinted at. (Granted, I think it would be unfair for the game to report a belligerent bang referring to the Terminal Chest, now that I think about it.)

Never had any Rainbow Chests spawn at the start either.

I wonder if any of this has to do with Mars vs. Venus orbs. My working theory has been that Venus Orbs are guaranteed to have a thud or loud thud, whereas Mars orbs might not. The orb pricing seems to indicate something like this--- 6 vouchers vs 10 vouchers always reminds me of a "2 for 1" kind of discount, in that one Venus ~~ 2 Mars in some sense. "Loud thud incidence rate" would fit the bill.

That speculation was pre-patch though. I wouldn't be surprised if rainbow boxes and belligerent bang incidence rate is increased for Venus orbs as opposed to Mars orbs. Otherwise, Venus Orbs were seriously nerfed by this patch.

---Anyway, it might be as simple as "belligerent bang" messages might not be RNG, even if each condition is met.

Pretty sure venus orbs guarantee that the final coffer isn't a noise, don't know that they have any other benefits. Around half of my orbs started getting belligerent bang on 4th chest and continued until I got a loud thud or died.

There's also the possibility that the "belligerent bang" message actually doesn't report when there is an existing loud thud message, but actually triggers when the battlefield decides to replace an existing chest with a loud thud. We already have proof that the game is able to change chest quality after you open 8 chests, so something like this isn't off the table.

That is--- maybe a belligerent bang isn't a *descriptive* message, but rather a *prescriptive* one. Which still points to this being RNG.

(This hypothesis is unfalsifiable though, so it has no scientific merit. Since we can't ever directly witness any prior chest qualities until we open them...)

Well, it happens every single chest once it starts in my experience. I doubt a chest is changing every single time the message comes up, since I've had orbs with 4 consecutive bangs. That would've meant more converted chests than there are remaining chests. The idea that it indicates there's a loud thud has been very consistant with what I saw, that screenshot just seems to contradict it.

Are folks not seeing the "Beligerant Bang" message at all during a run, getting to the 8th chest and still having that turn into a Rainbow Chest(Loud Thud)?

I'm starting to think that was added at random to push people to keep opening them even after getting a Loud Thud. That particular run was a Venus and actually gave no belligerent bangs at all, I've also received a bang after getting a Loud Thud but that just tempted me to keep going which resulted in the bang of my corpse hitting the ground

Yeah, I can confirm this has happened to me. I have yet to see a single belligerent message, but got 1 rainbow chest so far, after opening 8 chests.

How's your day going, everyone? This is mine:

Same thing happened to me, no belligerent message and chest no.9 went rainbow

9th chest turning to rainbow is never a part of Bang mechanic. Bang only happens for Loud Thud that is preloaded in one of the chests. Rainbow on 9th chest is dynamic mechanic that happens after opening 8th chest.

The only question now is why Bang doesn't happen sometimes when one of the chests is preloaded with LT. Maybe it's lag or maybe the bang only have a high chance to happen (possibly higher on Venus?). Hard to tell since this whole event doesn't give many chances to experiment.