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Pachipachio v Hagun
 Valefor.Ryukuro
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2009-10-30 12:19:44
Seraph.Antonious said: Valefor.Ryukuro said: Kujata.Argettio said: Seraph.Antonious said: Valefor.Ryukuro said: Stick that up your *** veggy boy! Mdkuser's math actually makes sense lol I like how when MD posted numbers for his debate he did so with class. Also when Veg looked over it, he had a question about meditate and asked it? MD gave him numbers to support his statement and they both came to a civil agreement and accepted eachothers argument. Mutual respect between people that like to try different things and actually use parses and math to come to conclusion that helps the Sam community. You start your argument with eyeballed numbers and then tell Veg to stick it up his ***. Who do you think is helping the Sam community and whos the troll again?? This is only my third post ever but I read the forums everyday. I greatly respect Ironguys info on the Wiki and Vegetto's info here and on the wiki. I'll leave it at that cause I'd rather not be known as a troll. Have some respect for the people that put in all the work is all I ask. Bingo we have a winner. I check this now and again, hardly sit here all day and wait for people to respond to my posts... I respect veggy and everyone elses opinions, it not ok to be a smartarse or is everyone just so PC these guys cant screw around anymore without everyone jumping down your throat about being immature, civil or a troll as you say? Sorry....to please you and the rest of the ffxiah community should i be more PC as to please everyone? I wasn't here to argue, just stating my own opinion on the conduct from you to Veg, as opposed to MD and Veg's exchange. Everyone is entitled to have fun and goof around. I don't consider telling someone to "Stick that up your ***" a good form of messin around. Especially somone you only know from FFXIAH posts. Maybe a "how do you like them apples" next time or something of that sort :p Joking usually is supposed to be accepted by both parties as "fun" and "light-hearted". You didn't come off that way to me. Nor Veg from the way he accepted your wit. That's neither here nor there. Ultimately, when your the OP and asking for peoples experience on a particular subject, you definately should give a bit more respect than what you showed. I guess where i'm from "Stick that up your ***" is not so insulting...... In aus we more laidback about those kinds of things i guess, around americans i suppose you need to what you say or you might be frowned upon as a total ***.... will do my best to watch what i say in future sir ^^
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-10-30 12:23:44
Valefor.Ryukuro said: I guess where i'm from "Stick that up your ***" is not so insulting...... In aus we more laidback about those kinds of things i guess, around americans i suppose you need to what you say or you might be frowned upon as a total ***.... will do my best to watch what i say in future sir ^^ Do you have anything at all to add to this conversation? If you don't... I'm sure there are plenty of threads in the flame core / undead sections that would suit you better. =)
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Valefor.Ryukuro
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2009-10-30 12:25:21
Fairy.Tbest said: Valefor.Ryukuro said: I guess where i'm from "Stick that up your ***" is not so insulting...... In aus we more laidback about those kinds of things i guess, around americans i suppose you need to what you say or you might be frowned upon as a total ***.... will do my best to watch what i say in future sir ^^ Do you have anything at all to add to this conversation? If you don't... I'm sure there are plenty of threads in the flame core / undead sections that would suit you better. =) Um well, this is my thread and what I was responding to was directed at me so yeah, I think im within my rights to say what i did, don't see how i was flaming.....
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-30 13:10:46
Valefor.Ryukuro said: I wasn't talking Pachi vs Rindo i was saying Pachi vs Hagun veggy Yes and I'm saying that Pachi has ZERO use. There will be times where 6hit GKT will win and others where 5hit will win. It's situational. Any situation the 5hit will win, Rindo will be the GKT of choice. Pachi is never on top.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-10-30 13:12:19
*Nods.* I agree with the Rindo > Pachi. But... From those numbers above... I'd still take Hagun over a Pachi as well. Pachipachio is just made of fail from what I've seen.
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-10-30 13:52:16
i dont need to protect the balls of a pachi and nor am i here to argue ive have 11 haguns while playin ffxi and the numbers ive seen first hand tell me pachi > hagun rindo "can" be ok but i like what ive seen more from my pachi then any other gk ive ever had HoLLeR!
*not argument "defense of a "not fail" gkt"
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-10-30 14:03:49
Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont need to protect the balls of a pachi and nor am i here to argue ive have 11 haguns while playin ffxi and the numbers ive seen first hand tell me pachi > hagun rindo "can" be ok but i like what ive seen more from my pachi then any other gk ive ever had HoLLeR!
*not argument "defense of a "not fail" gkt" How can Pachi possibly be better than a good Rindo?
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-10-30 14:07:51
Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont need to protect the balls of a pachi and nor am i here to argue ive have 11 haguns while playin ffxi and the numbers ive seen first hand tell me pachi > hagun rindo "can" be ok but i like what ive seen more from my pachi then any other gk ive ever had HoLLeR!
*not argument "defense of a "not fail" gkt" lol... Go ahead, provide us some proof of this if you can.
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Valefor.Mattyc
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-10-30 14:37:39
have either of u had a pachi?
that be the real question if not why would u even argue a point that cant be proven by your own self...
and as far as rindo hagun and pachi go just like Vegg said situational im not sayin 1 is "always better" just sayin not every samurai's the same and stop being a *** sheep and follow the the herd.
i put up bigger numbers in bird party this morning by 3% of a elvaan hagun user, samurai's ws are always random along with acc and all that go together not arguin not sayin anyones wrong just how it looks from what "I" have seen first hand.
Valefor.Mattyc
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-10-30 14:44:20
and not makin fun but.....
by the look of the gear u use lol....
just dont even talk.....
you obviously dont know wth your talkin about i wont let a sam wearin a lol empress hairpin and no bushi try and even try to stomp on my thoughts lolololol
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-30 14:48:59
Why would you use hagun, pachi, rindo, or even amano at bird camp? They're all inferior.
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 Ragnarok.Kukukues
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By Ragnarok.Kukukues 2009-10-30 14:53:11
lol ironguy i'm not using hayatemaru, i bought a crappy shinsoku lol and using that and i do have other gkt's, samurai with one gkt is kinda lol
Valefor.Mattyc
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-10-30 15:03:06
just for fun i use my gondo-shizonori bout 80% just like using what sams meant to use Vegg
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By Cerberus.Geldric 2009-10-31 09:48:58
Quote: have either of u had a pachi?
that be the real question if not why would u even argue a point that cant be proven by your own self...
and as far as rindo hagun and pachi go just like Vegg said situational im not sayin 1 is "always better" just sayin not every samurai's the same and stop being a *** sheep and follow the the herd.
i put up bigger numbers in bird party this morning by 3% of a elvaan hagun user, samurai's ws are always random along with acc and all that go together not arguin not sayin anyones wrong just how it looks from what "I" have seen first hand.
Post SS's of both users TP and WS sets. Post songs/rolls and possible food. Post a parse.
All other information is null.
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By Asura.Scapular 2009-10-31 10:20:38
i was in a merit party today with a sam using pachi with a rana setup, and it was amazing. pachi should be only used by a sam who really understands his gear, maybe one day i will get one but atm i say hagun ftw ;p
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By Cerberus.Geldric 2009-11-03 22:31:09
Guess what? Hagun will outparse it.
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By DANIEL10 2010-03-20 16:57:39
GUYS!!! I JUST STICK WITH HAGUN THAT IT......UR GUYS GET CONFUSED ABOUT MATH???SIMPLE IS Y>G>K WITH HAGUN SWEET ^^
NO NEED BEING PERFECT.... SUGGEST GO WITH HAGUN .....
GL WITH OTHER GK ....
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-03-20 16:58:48
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Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-20 17:03:22
Birds = Tomoe > All
Everything Else = Amanomurakumo > Hagun > All
There are no exceptions, goodbye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2010-03-20 17:21:44
Sylph.Sindri said: Birds = Tomoe > All
Everything Else = Amanomurakumo > Hagun > All
There are no exceptions, goodbye
So I am not a Sam, but i was curious if there are any parses of a soboro sam with a yoichi on birds?
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-03-20 17:22:42
Use w/e the hell you want to use. People will just point and laugh and not invite you to future pts.
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-20 17:23:48
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Sylph.Sindri said: Birds = Tomoe > All
Everything Else = Amanomurakumo > Hagun > All
There are no exceptions, goodbye
So I am not a Sam, but i was curious if there are any parses of a soboro sam with a yoichi on birds?
Probably a thread for this already
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2010-03-20 17:28:05
Sylph.Sindri said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Sylph.Sindri said: Birds = Tomoe > All
Everything Else = Amanomurakumo > Hagun > All
There are no exceptions, goodbye
So I am not a Sam, but i was curious if there are any parses of a soboro sam with a yoichi on birds?
Probably a thread for this already I don't see one on here, maybe on BG or something similar?
It's partly curiosity, and partly my dyna leader is about to finish his, and decided to level Sam so he could use it on that too. Just wondering how it compared to polearm.
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-03-20 17:45:22
Sylph.Sindri said: Birds = Leviathan's Couse > All
Everything Else = Amanomurakumo > Hagun > All
There are no exceptions, goodbye
Fixed.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-03-20 17:58:36
I'd prefer Tomoe over LC if acc wasn't capped.
Soboro/Yoichi is rape on anything Soboro can effectively TP on.
By DANIEL10 2010-03-21 09:52:32
Bahamut.Raenryong said: I'd prefer Tomoe over LC if acc wasn't capped. Soboro/Yoichi is rape on anything Soboro can effectively TP on.
TRUE AGREE BUT SOMEHOW SOBORO HAD SMALL DAMAGE BUT FAST TPING ANYWAY :P
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-03-21 10:02:57
DANIEL10 said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: I'd prefer Tomoe over LC if acc wasn't capped. Soboro/Yoichi is rape on anything Soboro can effectively TP on.
TRUE AGREE BUT SOMEHOW SOBORO HAD SMALL DAMAGE BUT FAST TPING ANYWAY :P
soboro at bird camp is fail unless u have Yoichi...or a quite decent /RNG setup... still, prefer my Tomoe on birds no matter what, using a GKT on colibri is like grating your *** on a razorblade...painful
By DANIEL10 2010-03-21 10:05:43
Valefor.Ryukuro said: DANIEL10 said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: I'd prefer Tomoe over LC if acc wasn't capped. Soboro/Yoichi is rape on anything Soboro can effectively TP on. TRUE AGREE BUT SOMEHOW SOBORO HAD SMALL DAMAGE BUT FAST TPING ANYWAY :P soboro at bird camp is fail unless u have Yoichi...or a quite decent /RNG setup... still, prefer my Tomoe on birds no matter what, using a GKT on colibri is like grating your *** on a razorblade...painful
HAHA WHAT UR POINT???? I TALK ABOUT TPING NOT BRIDS CAMP???
/COMFORT !
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-03-21 10:10:42
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-21 10:10:59
EDIT: inb4'd >.>
Hi guys, my first topic in here ^^
Just picked myself up a Pachipachio and am definitley not disappointed ^^ So far from the days use i've had it has risen above my expectations and I feel this GKT is very highly underrated, before today i had been led to believe that is was a piece of shit but now am 100% sure it isn't.
Anyone else converted to Pachi from Hagun? and if so what are your thoughts? I personally never thought i'd get rid of my hagun, but this puppy has changed my mind. If you got full GKT/Overwhelm merits i highly recommend making an effort to secure yourself one of these ^^ STR merits help too obviously =)
Been testing on numerous things, greater colibri, lesser colibri, sea mobs, mamools etc, and Pachipachio seems to come out on top everytime, ws dmg is almost the same, DoT dmg pachi wins out on and Tachi: Rana damage is significantly higher with Pachi also, have yet to try on HNM or Gods yet but if anyone else has done testing i'd like to hear what results you have gotten, parse results be nice to if anyone has done it, i play on xbox so i can't test by parser myself.
Oh did i mention you can have a true 5 hit setup with Pachi too ^^? <3
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