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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-04-06 12:30:53
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Asura.Arico said: »
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Is this some superhuman reaction time, or use of a bot?


He's using an addon. To be fair -- the way NA ping works it's almost impossible to lullaby it in NA/Europe without an addon.

Death spell is a fairly long cast-time. There's enough time for me to swap into a resist-death set, surely enough time to lullaby it.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-04-06 12:32:58
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Some things you just simply know without needing it to be proven

A few seconds after that clip, he doesn't know why his bardbot cast elegy.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to satisfy your inferiority complex, but he's not botting. If you bothered to watch his streams he knows the Mimic fight backwards and forwards. Obviously no one else here has ever had a mule casting something weird because of script execution order.

The mental gymnastics in here are hilarious, honestly. If you don't like the guy that's your prerogative, but you don't need to go deep diving for *** to justify your opinion and defaming him in the process.

Take your pound of flesh and move on to hating the next person more successful than you.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2021-04-06 12:35:02
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Obviously no one else here has ever had a mule casting something weird because of script execution order.

nope, because my bots are coded better
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By Asura.Tsm 2021-04-06 12:38:56
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Some things you just simply know without needing it to be proven

A few seconds after that clip, he doesn't know why his bardbot cast elegy.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to satisfy your inferiority complex, but he's not botting. If you bothered to watch his streams he knows the Mimic fight backwards and forwards. Obviously no one else here has ever had a mule casting something weird because of script execution order.

The mental gymnastics in here are hilarious, honestly. If you don't like the guy that's your prerogative, but you don't need to go deep diving for *** to justify your opinion and defaming him in the process.

Take your pound of flesh and move on to hating the next person more successful than you.
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By dennisnedry 2021-04-06 12:43:37
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Shichishito said: »
nice detective work there but lets be honest, is there really anyone who believes a streaming 6 boxer doesn't at least some of the time rely on all sorts of automation and stuff like ja0wait, anchor or react?


Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Tell yourself whatever you need to to satisfy your inferiority complex, but he's not botting. If you bothered to watch his streams he knows the Mimic fight backwards and forwards. Obviously no one else here has ever had a mule casting something weird because of script execution order.

The mental gymnastics in here are hilarious, honestly. If you don't like the guy that's your prerogative, but you don't need to go deep diving for *** to justify your opinion and defaming him in the process.

Take your pound of flesh and move on to hating the next person more successful than you.

Speaking of, here are the times I saw the chest cast spells:
48:23 (36 sec)
48:59 (36 sec)
49:35 (36 sec)
50:14 (39 sec, flood 2, still got lullaby'd though)
51:00 (46 sec, this one he didnt even have his macro bar open, nor was he typing anything in window)
51:41 (41 sec)

Almost got me in the first half with the back to back to back 36 sec, not gonna lie. But then I saw the next 3 and that was just coincidence.

No one here is preaching "I play vanilla, no 3rd party tools outside of gearswap and dressup" like he does. He clearly uses more than simple QoL windower addons. Most people here do too, no ones pretending to be a saint, but most people here still respect the fight club aspect of it and dont livestream it for the world to see.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-04-06 13:11:20
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dennisnedry said: »
51:00 (46 sec, this one he didnt even have his macro bar open, nor was he typing anything in window)

Supersleuth doesn't know what a hotkey is, more at 11.

Edit: Here's a video on them if you wanted to learn though

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By Mattelot 2021-04-06 13:12:08
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Rationalizations are cool, I hear.
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By Masunasu 2021-04-06 13:16:12
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Some things you just simply know without needing it to be proven

A few seconds after that clip, he doesn't know why his bardbot cast elegy.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to satisfy your inferiority complex, but he's not botting. If you bothered to watch his streams he knows the Mimic fight backwards and forwards. Obviously no one else here has ever had a mule casting something weird because of script execution order.

The mental gymnastics in here are hilarious, honestly. If you don't like the guy that's your prerogative, but you don't need to go deep diving for *** to justify your opinion and defaming him in the process.

Take your pound of flesh and move on to hating the next person more successful than you.

He at the very least uses React. Even if that clip is insufficient proof I've literally seen him load/unload in the console before in other videos he's posted (I think Yagudo W2 boss?). I've seen him user Roller as well (when he wants to send to all his boxes for synchronized buffing, the command sent to COR was "roller on"). Both of these are bots, as stated multiples time by this point the fact that a large subset of the community turns a blind eye to them doesn't make it less true.

Speculative - he likely also has some form of automation for WSing for fights where he melees with all characters. May also use some variations of Singer/Auto-GEO based on him using Roller, but those are also arguably easier to manage manually. I know he claims to use send to handle WHM frequently, but he'll also pretty regularly express confusion of "why am I not being healed!?" which is a little suspect. Again, these are bots.

There's honestly nothing to defame here and I think calling him successful from an FFXI perspective is gratuitous. There are equally or better skilled players than him (mostly due to FFXI just having a low skill ceiling in general, it's hard to be particularly impressive), and sitting at ~100 Twitch viewers isn't exactly something to quit your day job for. Using the tools he uses doesn't really belittle anything he does because if you're 6boxing it's already pretty well understood that you're needing to automate some things. Difference is most other people multi-boxing want to keep their heads down, while he's streaming it for the world to see and then left scratching his head when he gets targeted more than others.
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By Asura.Tsm 2021-04-06 13:16:34
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
dennisnedry said: »
51:00 (46 sec, this one he didnt even have his macro bar open, nor was he typing anything in window)

Supersleuth doesn't know what a hotkey is, more at 11.

Edit: Here's a video on them if you wanted to learn though

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2 minutes into the video he's giving us a tutorial on send, i don't think this is the way.

also goes on to show sendalltarget and some other things that are using botlike behaviors. idk man, this might not help the case
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-04-06 13:20:35
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Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.
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By dennisnedry 2021-04-06 13:23:59
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If send is QoL, then POS Hack and Flee hack are also QoL as they let me spend less time running around and spend more time actually doing content. Why spend 5 minutes running around a zone when I can click a button and be right there? Thats a quality of life adjustment.
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By Asura.Arico 2021-04-06 13:46:51
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.

You’re clearly new to this thread.
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By dennisnedry 2021-04-06 13:47:30
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.
My guy, can you explain Ygnas getting drawn in by the chest but not actually moving? I havent fought AMAN chest, loud thud or die (or 9 noise), but unless this specific mob is different, draw in puts you right on top of the mob every time, no matter if your bound, grav, slept, petrified, whatever. I dont even think anchor blocks draw in, just knockback, I could be wrong on this one. But if it is anchor, then he's not playing vanilla like he claims to be.
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By RadialArcana 2021-04-06 14:00:51
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dennisnedry said: »
Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.
My guy, can you explain Ygnas getting drawn in by the chest but not actually moving? I havent fought AMAN chest, loud thud or die (or 9 noise), but unless this specific mob is different, draw in puts you right on top of the mob every time, no matter if your bound, grav, slept, petrified, whatever. I dont even think anchor blocks draw in, just knockback, I could be wrong on this one. But if it is anchor, then he's not playing vanilla like he claims to be.

I'm pretty sure it's different on this mob. There isn't anything fishy in that, it just drags you into range if I remember correctly.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-04-06 14:04:14
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dennisnedry said: »
Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.
My guy, can you explain Ygnas getting drawn in by the chest but not actually moving? I havent fought AMAN chest, loud thud or die (or 9 noise), but unless this specific mob is different, draw in puts you right on top of the mob every time, no matter if your bound, grav, slept, petrified, whatever. I dont even think anchor blocks draw in, just knockback, I could be wrong on this one. But if it is anchor, then he's not playing vanilla like he claims to be.

Visual bug is all I can tell you. You really think he'd have one character avoid draw in and none of the others when positioning is such a pain for multiboxers?

Obviously you've never watched the stream and are just looking for any reason to put yourself on a pedestal, or you'd see him and all his characters get smacked around by Bumba, and DI dragons, and whatever Odyssey mobs have knockback, and all the quadav NMs in dynamis Bastok, and you'd hear him frequently wish he could use Anchor but won't because he wasn't trying to get banned a second time.

He's literally never claimed to be vanilla. No one who watches him has ever claimed he plays vanilla. He's got youtube guides on Send, SendAllTarget, aliases, hotkeys, gearswap commands, and the best addons for multiboxers.

Are you daft?

Edit: Only now am I realizing I'm trying to reason with someone's sock account. gg to me I guess.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2021-04-06 14:11:51
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dennisnedry said: »
Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Watch for literally 30 more seconds to see how you can bind a command to a key press.

Unless you're calling the send addon a bot in which case I'm dumbfounded.
My guy, can you explain Ygnas getting drawn in by the chest but not actually moving? I havent fought AMAN chest, loud thud or die (or 9 noise), but unless this specific mob is different, draw in puts you right on top of the mob every time, no matter if your bound, grav, slept, petrified, whatever. I dont even think anchor blocks draw in, just knockback, I could be wrong on this one. But if it is anchor, then he's not playing vanilla like he claims to be.

Odyssey chests put you close but not inside the mimic, go try it. It has been changed for stuff like AMAN and Odyssey so go back under the bridge you crawled out from.

Can see it in effect in Kaggra's Ody chest farm video.

https://youtu.be/gz0m9mymy_4?t=124
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By dennisnedry 2021-04-06 14:14:08
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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
He's literally never claimed to be vanilla. No one who watches him has ever claimed he plays vanilla.
When he made Rejin, he said he would play vanilla, I am not the only one to have heard this.

Odin.Creaucent said: »
Odyssey chests put you close but not inside the mimic, go try it. It has been changed for stuff like AMAN and Odyssey so go back under the bridge you crawled out from.

dennisnedry said: »
That one could be legit, but it looks sus.

kay
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By Mattelot 2021-04-06 14:14:09
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Again play the game how you want, they are. If they want to run add ons, scripts, lua, etc. that's up to them. They all know the risk. If you want to run vanilla then you do you. No point in assuming everyone is botting or cheating and expecting the majority to care or come back with a toxic response. Majority of players use one thing or another in ffxi and trying to be the moral police on these forums are going to just give you a rash of ***.

I was having this discussion with someone recently. I personally don't care what people do as its their own business but I do smile and shake my head when someone tries passing it off as skill.

I've seen a few people who were nothing special at all before I took a break. Come back and see that they botted and hacked their success then refer to themselves as "elite". If you want to use a Game Genie on a Nintendo game, knock yourself out if that's your thing. Just don't go around bragging about your high score afterwards.
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By Asura.Tsm 2021-04-06 14:31:35
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the only real way to make FFXI difficult to the point that it requires "Skill" is multi-boxing. i'd argue that all the tools ejiin uses takes away from that premise though since he's no longer playing any of those characters in the sense that multi boxers used to have to do, they are effectively bots.

no real reason in beating a dead horse though. he botted, used incredibly sketchy other tools (send, superwarps etc.) and now he's banned. he can play a victim all he wants, sucks to suck
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By Shichishito 2021-04-06 14:45:07
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i'm not sure where the skill argument all of a sudden comes from. if vanilla solo players in FFXI are the equivalent of hardcore difficulty and regular windower and addons is normal then a 6 boxer who relies on automation and addons like react, anchor and ja0wait isn't even the equivalent of very easy in a game with a already rather low skill ceiling in terms of gameplay.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-04-06 14:45:34
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He's playin totes vanilla, no box right now

Salty dialog
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indeed. turned it off when he started crying about how trusts are bots.

can't we get a better #1 fan? :(
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By Bahamut.Negan 2021-04-06 15:35:15
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No Multiboxers = No Bots. Problem solved.
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By Draylo 2021-04-06 15:44:26
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Yeah you have to admit theres a certain point where using all that and you are basically using a gameshark. Well, multiboxers do keep a lot of money going into SE's pockets. So who knows if maybe they are the reason we still here lol.
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By Rive016 2021-04-06 15:55:04
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How didnt all his chars get drawn in when the chest popped o.O even with anchor ive been drawn in lol
 
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By dennisnedry 2021-04-06 16:40:16
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Rive016 said: »
How didnt all his chars get drawn in when the chest popped o.O even with anchor ive been drawn in lol
Its obviously a
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Visual bug is all I can tell you.

Thats why the chest repeatedly tried to draw him in over and over, because its a visual bug and not because his character was reporting a position back to the server that it wasnt expecting him to be in after being drawn in.

Just a visual bug, right supersleuth?
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By Shichishito 2021-04-06 16:56:40
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wow, watch out with those
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mental gymnastics
befor you pull a muscle or something.
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