It's That Time Again!

I'm sorry, but if you can completely control another character without every tabbing over to it how is it not a bot? Just because there are lot of uses for it that aren't bot-like doesn't mean LOTS of people don't use it as a bot.

If it looks like a bot and quacks like a bot it's a bot.

Bot = robot = automated. A trust is a bot.

Send automates nothing, it's like a remote control for a TV. You still have to press a macro key to make it do every single action, and without you giving it commands for every single action it will do nothing.

Using commands from one account that can control a second account doesn't have to be a bot for it to be considered illegal by SE

You are really missing the point, in the eyes of a GM or SE it probably is exactly the same thing.

Every 3rd party addon is illegal, the point was severity and how some people think send works which is different from how it really works.

No one here is confused about how Send works.

So stop saying it's a bot, it's not different than gearswap. It's just a QoL addon.

Send is not a bot. It's not in violation for being a bot. It's in violation for being third-party software which broadcasts out to multiple accounts.

People keep pointing to send being the issue. In what way is send different than the shortcuts addon?

Send > sends commands through windower to a character
Shortcut > sends commands through windower to a character

If it wasn't off stream shenanigans, it was probably something innocuous like superwarps that skip interactions that SE are looking for or he got ban lotteried

It's been said multiple times, its when he is controlling all the characters through send and not manually doing anything on them. It looks like a program controlling characters in a bot like manner. When they investigate they probably see it the same as someone using a bot program to input commands. Each character with different addons that allows them to all be automated, its just the same thing as setting a bot program... I don't get how people are missing the point. The server probably sees them interacting with the game in the same manner, whether that is keystrokes not being performed or some type of packet injection, I don't know.

Honestly, I'm starting to think RadialArcana is just a world class troll, based on recent posts in this thread and elsewhere. Knows just enough to not come off as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but still manages to ask obvious questions over and over.

The issue isn't that send is a bot, it's that it is functionally not distinguishable from a bot.

Typical Bot:
-No input on the client application.
-Usually stiff or no movement(I know there are exceptions.)
-Still performing actions.

Roller:
-No input on the client application.
-Usually stiff or no movement.
-Still performing actions.

Singer:
-No input on the client application.
-Usually stiff or no movement.
-Still performing actions.

Send:
-No input on the client application.
-Usually stiff or no movement.
-Still performing actions.

Your super leet custom gearswap that autoWSes and uses your JAs:
-No input on the client application.
-Usually stiff or no movement.
-Still performing actions.

Anything designed to detect botting is likely to also detect these other cases. While Send is not a bot(I would still consider automated gearswaps, roller, singer to be bots..), it is functionally identical to a bot if you are farming for a long period while only using Send to control your alts.

I am not suggesting SE actually checks keypresses or key states, though it's certainly not impossible. Note that the system that allows you to clip through players that have been idle will still trigger if the player has a bot running using actions but not pressing keys. The auto-disconnect will still trigger if you have a bot running that does no keypresses.

I know that nobody wants to admit their comfy addons are bots. If it's in .lua, it feels safer, and you don't like to think of it as cheating. Most people aren't going to get banned regardless of what they use. But, if you're still sitting there telling yourself that Roller/Singer/Send/Auto-GS/etc are safe.. maybe you need to step back and think about whether you're telling yourself that because you want it to be true or because you objectively believe it to be true.

I dont even know what you guys are discussing anymore. Bots x multibox? Vanillas x third party tools? Cheaters x non-legit players?

Dont need that much theorycrafting. I dont think its any hard to figure where the line is. The line that separates whats "sure ban whitin the next 24h" to whats fell in the category of "gonna be banned if the comet Haley pass in the Earth vicinity".

Where the player gonna play regarding this line is a subjective matter, depending how much risk someone is willing to take.

They're trying to justify to themselves that cheating is ok, just not that kind of cheating. And that it's not cheating unless I say I cheated.

It's all good, if SE send that email in the dispute email I'll just tell them nah brah it's just send, it's ok, and they'll reverse it.

Said the cheater.

Totally different.

Well, not Ejin, he's kind of hit on the revelation no one wants to hear. If he wants to make money streaming, then his characters have to be expendable.

Everyone else trying to cling to their preciouses while applying risk and downplaying it.

Your characters are either disposable or they're not.

Can I get donations too!?

I'm sure people would pay you, you're so likable

And even if you think thats sarcastic - spite watching is a real thing too. Take $5 donos and let virgins whine at you in TTS.

LOL. Just show them that UNO card that the gobs show us when we trade them a key for daily tally.

I kinda use a mix of both. I like manually alt tabbing and controlling my characters when I can, but for mundane things like reapplying Dia or tossing out Haste I use Send. I don't see any value in risking an 18 year old character severely by doing more than that so that's where the line is for me, and from what I see a lot of people out there push that line so far that to me it becomes crazy and it makes me wonder if they have any attachment to their character or respect for their own time.

Probably not their first account if they're going wild.

Or if it is, they're running on the belief of "Nah, it's never going to be me." Which is the basic premise of this thread in recent days.

Just the other day I saw a dude running around at dragons at least at 400% speed with multiple people in view. It's that kind of thing that just breaks my brain.

It is so fast to get a new character from brand new to fully maxed that it's not worth giving a rats *** about rules. it takes longer to do one thing the right way than do EVERYthing the "bad" way in the same time frame. (hyperbole)

Odyssey having the 45 day thing kinda ruins it, but only slightly.

They really should put some kind of limit on the amount of new accounts that can start per month or something, but money.

The point I was making wasn't that complicated, it was that the people who are reporting Ejin seem to have a serious issue with botting in particular (progams that carry out set instructions when nobody is there to oversee them, such as automated farming or whatever). As such, they were probably watching his streams and were assuming he was running 5 bots.

I understand how send works, it still lacks any kind of automation to run as a bot, so isn't a "bot" as we know it. If the people that keep reporting him knew what send was maybe they would not do so. Then again maybe they would, who knows.

I'm well aware that using anything at all is ban worthy, I'm aware send bypasses local input (Gms are not doing this kind of check). That wasn't the point, I was trying to define what send actually is to people who may have a serious issue with actual botting and who are not familiar with why people use it.

The reason he gets banned is because people report him, part of that is possibly because people don't actually understand what he is doing. There are plenty of other people using addons and they don't get the same level of hatred so it's not just "cheating" in general.

Same here, although recent events have made me scale back on p much everything.


Not really.. I can't fathom how anyone could create multiple mythics and then redo the exact same process over again happily... All those missions, busy work like coalitions, what a nightmare. Then you would lose any vanity items you might have gotten that maybe aren't able to get again.

So just so we're clear; You love the game, it's the best game ever... but playing the game would be a nightmare.

I loved doing that but I'd never do it again... you probably didn't really like it. Seems disingenuous.

It is a privilege to experience the entire story multiple times good sir.

If you dont want to put a target on your back, you probably shouldnt be making tutorials on how to use 3rd party tools using your character and server name.

Radial to be clear, you're someone who played the game in 2012-2013 and quit for 6 years and came back and you're telling all of us who have been here the entire time, some who have made and had hundreds of accounts banned, that YOU are the one that knows what GMs are looking for?

came to the realization thorny came to a while ago, you're a world class troll.

I want in in some of that action.

For every $500 I get in "donations" I will not post in FFXIAH.com for a day.

Let's go!

/sets up a GoFundMe page.