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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-04-03 09:53:19
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RadialArcana said: »
It doesn't matter if 100 get away, as long as the one you ban is highly visible. It's still gonna put the fear of god into you if you use any addons. At least for a while, this is also why they don't tell you what you did when they ban you. Then you don't know, and that's even more scary.

It's like if I tell you 100 people died in traffic accidents, you're not really gonna care and me saying that will have no influence on your behavior. However if you see someone get hit by a car right infront of you, it's going to have a major impact on you and change how you cross the road after. If I tell you after witnessing that, 99.9% of people never have an accident so you don't have to worry! it won't matter and you'll still be hyper careful about crossing the road after.

The STFU banned 1060 accounts in January, and 741 in February. Nobody cared, until this one highly visible person was banned. That one ban had more impact on the mindset of hundreds of people than those near 2k people combined.
If they would post the names it would be more effective. I would be waiting with electric anticipation to see the new banned list every 1st of the month.

When you say "we banned 1000 accounts" I know that it's ***, and that every account actually banned was vvuu vvww vvii wwss ttgg ccll used to shout for a day with zero playtime and of zero consequence.
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By Shichishito 2021-04-03 10:07:32
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except it isn't what we observe in this thread, we didn't read lots of "omg ejin probably got banned for the same ***i do, i better stop using that ***" instead we see coping mechansisms, rationalsiing and self convincing about why it will not hit them and they just continue verbatim.

btw over on twitch ejin does the same thing, just stated that he doesn't think anyone is at danger of getting banned, it's just him getting mass reported. i don't see much of a deterrent effect if even the person who got struck doesn't get the message.

and why would he, with excessive 3rd party tool use, support from his viewers and/or gil buying he'll be back on track within a month or so, SE is simply too slow to be taking seriously by those that made a profession out of it and as a "casual cheater" the chances of winning the lottery are probably on par with getting banned.

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Because they are JP and shame is the very fuel that runs their cultural engine lol. Have you seen their porn? I'm surprised they don't have a Mount Rushmore of shame.
yet it's the chines that have mass surveilance and public pillories where they display pics of offenders of their social credit system. it works in every culture.
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By Seun 2021-04-03 10:36:50
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
SE is banning people who bot overnight based on their usage of actions while client is not receiving key input, usage of actions over an extended and unrealistic period, or something of that nature.

Now, look at the addons that all too many people are using now, such as Singer, Roller, React, Send, automated GS. They create the same types of behavior, why are you so confident that they can't also be banworthy? It's not rooted in reality, it's desperation to convince yourself that you don't have to give up any tools to secure your characters.

The offenses considered worthy of bans are mostly obvious.

1) No automation

I'm not familiar with Singer or Roller, but I assume they automate BRD songs and COR rolls for alts? No buino. React sounds like it automates player movement/direction in response to events. Also not legit. Add-ons that automate selling to NPCs and augmenting armor/weapons goes here too. Your character shouldn't do anything without your input.

2) No exploits

'Clever use of game mechanics' is code for cheating. This would be things like pinning mobs or using terrain to keep mobs from attacking you normally or at all. Duping/cloning also belong here. Positional/flee hacking as well. Superwarp, I see you.

3) Personal conduct

Harassment is typically solved by blacklist/ignore but I have heard of players who were suspended for harassment. I've also seen players jailed for spamming shout/yell with graphic or obscene language. Don't be a butthat.

4) RMT

Trading real money for gil or 'services'. A bit surprising since XI has been the Zimbabwe of MMOs for the past half decade at least, but they do still ban for this.


If you are involved in any of this you are subject so do not be surprised if/when the hammer drops. It's not up to the players to decide what is or is not ban worthy or to make their own quality of life adjustments to the game.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2021-04-03 10:49:38
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Seun said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »

Now, look at the addons that all too many people are using now, such as Singer, Roller, React, Send, automated GS.
Gearswaps aren't bots ;P All it does is swap gear, there's definitely no way in hell a gearswap can be automated, totally no auto functions such as auto weaponskill or auto tank features.
Gearswap is just the same as a macro, but more convenient, right?
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By Shichishito 2021-04-03 10:51:45
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the troll bait is out guys.
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By RadialArcana 2021-04-03 10:54:46
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
Seun said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »

Now, look at the addons that all too many people are using now, such as Singer, Roller, React, Send, automated GS.
Gearswaps aren't bots ;P All it does is swap gear, there's definitely no way in hell a gearswap can be automated, totally no auto functions such as auto weaponskill or auto tank features.
Gearswap is just the same as a macro, but more convenient, right?

It's as automated as send.
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By Bahamut.Balduran 2021-04-03 11:26:08
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
Seun said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »

Now, look at the addons that all too many people are using now, such as Singer, Roller, React, Send, automated GS.
Gearswaps aren't bots ;P All it does is swap gear, there's definitely no way in hell a gearswap can be automated, totally no auto functions such as auto weaponskill or auto tank features.
Gearswap is just the same as a macro, but more convenient, right?

Big difference between 'Automated GS' and 'GS'.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-04-03 11:26:44
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shiraj was pretty obviously being sarcastic
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2021-04-03 16:24:10
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https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm
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By Asura.Botosi 2021-04-03 16:37:40
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Sorry, but that guy is a *** loser lol
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By Hongxia 2021-04-03 17:00:59
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
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By Hongxia 2021-04-03 17:16:54
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Shichishito said: »
btw over on twitch ejin does the same thing, just stated that he doesn't think anyone is at danger of getting banned, it's just him getting mass reported.

That's pure speculation on his behalf. The truth of the matter is that he has no provable evidence nor facts to the exact reason of his targeting for the bans.

Speculation is easy. Let's give it a try!

I speculate that one of the individuals involved in the official twitch.tv stream for FFXI checked out the current FFXI streamers before going live and saw what he was doing and that a majority of the viewers were at his stream, too, thus reported him internally. Less than a week later, Boom goes the dynamite!


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/964238047
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By Asura.Hya 2021-04-03 17:25:03
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Hongxia said: »
Shichishito said: »
btw over on twitch ejin does the same thing, just stated that he doesn't think anyone is at danger of getting banned, it's just him getting mass reported.

That's pure speculation on his behalf. The truth of the matter is that he has no provable evidence nor facts to the exact reason of his targeting for the bans.

Speculation is easy. Let's give it a try!

I speculate that one of the individuals involved in the official twitch.tv stream for FFXI checked out the current FFXI streamers before going live and saw what he was doing and that a majority of the viewers were at his stream, too, thus reported him internally. Less than a week later, Boom goes the dynamite!


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/964238047
He actually speculated this scenario himself a few times. He stated there was a correlation between both of his bans and the timing of Primed for Adventure streams. Imagine thinking the world is out to get you.
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By Mrxi 2021-04-03 19:23:32
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Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.
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By Shichishito 2021-04-03 19:31:39
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got to love the soundtrack.
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By RadialArcana 2021-04-03 19:33:24
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Mrxi said: »
Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.

just because you put a video of something on your youtube account, doesn't mean it's you.

They are japanese, the video is obviously what he found somewhere of an english speaking player.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-04-03 19:33:28
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Shichishito said: »
got to love the soundtrack.

I also dug the music, too short.
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By fillerbunny9 2021-04-03 19:37:14
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quick, someone call the Mouse and get a copyright claim against them XD
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By Mrxi 2021-04-03 19:42:04
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RadialArcana said: »
Mrxi said: »
Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.

just because you put a video of something on your youtube account, doesn't mean it's you.

They are japanese, the video is obviously what he found somewhere of an english speaking player.
yes obviously, but it does infact look like he is cheating to report cheater.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2021-04-03 19:46:42
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RadialArcana said: »
Mrxi said: »
Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.

just because you put a video of something on your youtube account, doesn't mean it's you.

They are japanese, the video is obviously what he found somewhere of an english speaking player.
That doesnt look like a video of an english speaking player catching someone POSing from BCNM exit to entrance. NA players dont use /names, if theyre accusing someone of cheating, they'll get their name out there front and center.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-04-03 19:46:44
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It's not cheating if I do it. only you.
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By RadialArcana 2021-04-03 19:50:54
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Mrxi said: »
Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.

just because you put a video of something on your youtube account, doesn't mean it's you.

They are japanese, the video is obviously what he found somewhere of an english speaking player.
That doesnt look like a video of an english speaking player catching someone POSing from BCNM exit to entrance. NA players dont use /names, if theyre accusing someone of cheating, they'll get their name out there front and center.

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This was most likely made by someone selling the hack, they just rehosted it.

The other one they talked about was just pointing out how they do these things.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2021-04-03 19:55:27
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RadialArcana said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Mrxi said: »
Hongxia said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
https://twitter.com/FF11_guest/status/1353628658364076032

How does someone do this (the recording) without using 3rd party tools or running multiple accounts? hmmm

Your inability to understand how the magic of video editing works doesn't equate to that player using 3rd party tools.
except clearly he is running 3 accounts, and his youtube profile has video of him doing the hq synth hack.

just because you put a video of something on your youtube account, doesn't mean it's you.

They are japanese, the video is obviously what he found somewhere of an english speaking player.
That doesnt look like a video of an english speaking player catching someone POSing from BCNM exit to entrance. NA players dont use /names, if theyre accusing someone of cheating, they'll get their name out there front and center.

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This was made by someone selling the hack, they just rehosted it.
Bruh, you serious?
Thats someone recording their own character (albeit a mule) to show evidence of how the hqsynth.lua worked.
 
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By RadialArcana 2021-04-03 19:58:25
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bruh, you serious?
Thats someone recording their own character to show evidence of how the hqsynth.lua worked.

Someone said above that the twitter account was using crafting hacks because this video is on his channel, I'm pointing out it is not him that is doing that and it's just a rehosted video of some NA player.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2021-04-03 20:00:29
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RadialArcana said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bruh, you serious?
Thats someone recording their own character to show evidence of how the hqsynth.lua worked.

Someone said above that the twitter account was using crafting hacks because this video is on his channel, I'm pointing out it is not him that is doing that and it's just a rehosted video of some NA player.
Sorry, I thought you were using that as proof that NA players use /names when putting cheaters on blast.
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By Asura.Saevel 2021-04-03 20:18:05
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It's about number of reports on an account during a time and place. Enough of that gets the STFU's attention while also giving a perfect filter for them to microscope everything someone is doing. Ejin's streams was sufficient for mass's of people to report him and his alts at a specific time and place. Easy enough for some overworked SE employee to look in the logs and say "yep cheating *click* next case".
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-04-03 20:21:16
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Well ***, I refuse to be on the same team as saevel

Let's figure out which addon it was
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By Asura.Arico 2021-04-03 20:29:30
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RadialArcana said: »
This was most likely made by someone selling the hack, they just rehosted it.

The other one they talked about was just pointing out how they do these things.

Someone said above that the twitter account was using crafting hacks because this video is on his channel, I'm pointing out it is not him that is doing that and it's just a rehosted video of some NA player.

You are wrong. SE DMCA'd the original video. That's why it's rehosted.

Asura.Saevel said: »
It's about number of reports on an account during a time and place. Enough of that gets the STFU's attention while also giving a perfect filter for them to microscope everything someone is doing. Ejin's streams was sufficient for mass's of people to report him and his alts at a specific time and place. Easy enough for some overworked SE employee to look in the logs and say "yep cheating *click* next case".

I tried streaming once in like 2014 back when addons/plugins barely did anything cool and I got like 2 or 3 posts on my ffxi profile saying "Enjoy your ban cheater!"

Never did that again.
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