It's That Time Again!

I can say with absolute certainty that every single thing Ejin uses 100 other people also use and zero of them were banned yesterday.

(well if some amount of people were all got yesterday it's probably not zero, but you know what I mean) some random amount did and some random amount didn't. The take away is the random.

It is not some magic singular addon you can turn off and be safe.

The game is near 20 years old and there is no large influx of new players in an old MMO. This is kind of a false equivalency to an extent. People rather multibox because it can be faster and takes away the variance and time spent to form groups. It may have an impact on some newer players, but its not really significant. There's still a lot more people who single character vs multi. I don't really believe it killed too much

He had it coming again. Didn't he vow to play vanilla after the last time?

The only real concern I have for him is his mental health.

Ejinn, if you read this, and I know you will... just move on dude.

He runs fairly standard stuff. Gearswap, dressup, send. He doesn't even use a heal bot and we all know a lot of people do that. After his first char was banned he specifically stopped using Anchor, as he thought that was the cause of the first ban. So this time there's no anchor being factored in. Everything Ejin uses is exactly what every other multiboxer (and many single boxers) in the game uses, which is windower and its most used addons.

This is a case of how dumb SE's game enforcement is, he likely got picked up because people report him, most reports gets their attention and ban. Which means if anyone focus fired reports on someone, they could very well get that person banned.

I also know of various other people (like some in this thread!) that use far bigger exploits, like AFK bots and the like, and they're not getting banned as frequently. Which means it likely is lazy enforcement from SE and just banning whoever shows on a list with a certain number of reports or something, and Ejin has some salty *** that report him.

But we had that Odoro guy for almost a month getting literally 100s of reports a day, and nothing happened until very late. We are all just speculating here because none of us work for SE, but in my opinion I think its a certain addon. I personally suspect superwarp but there are a few sketchy ones that people use like bidder, the einherjar one etc. I just feel it would be more helpful to list what people use to see if theres a common thread and that might help more than people just saying "ITS A LOTTO U GOT GOT.


He did say that, but its almost impossible to do once you've become used to the addons. I mean.. its just a game, if he enjoys playing it then I don't see why he can't restart. I personally think he should restart without barely any addons on his main to preserve it and just get his mules back up to speed and try to play with as little addons as possible on his main.

That Odoro guy is AFK at a bazaar, he could be 100% legit, you don't even need Windower to do that he's doing. That's a wildly different situation.

Except he was using addons to dump inventory and auto accept trades. If SE doesn't care which addon people are using and x number of reports puts you on the list, he should have been banned in a second. Obviously they DO care which addons you use and certain ones are putting flags up due to how they interact with the game.

This company barely cares about this game, I'm honestly surprised people here think they really check streamers or they actively look at reports to ban people. It's almost entirely an automated process that someone checks off on at the end to seal the deal.

Those are far harder to prove as bots I imagine, since they're standard game actions and it could be someone just sitting next to another computer with the character on. Again, far different scenario than being able to look at someone and go "Yeah, that's clearly one person playing six accounts".

I think you under estimate the amount of apathy people have.

Do you honestly think people really reported odoro. Do you think people really bothered to do it.

They'll come on here and *** about it but go to the site and fill out the STF report, multiple times. really.

Yes I do, you underestimate how buthurt people can get. Especially the ones that lost items to him.


Which is exactly my point... some addons are more easily flagged than others. If people knew which ones were under SE's radar for bannings, they would probably avoid them. You honestly believe theres a GM or SE worker that is actively looking at the game and saying, "oh that person is multi-boxing!"? I mean, lets be real.

Also with the amount of reports that person got, if they were actively looking they would most def catch him using addons.

Speaking personally, if I could not multibox I would most likely quit. Being able to multibox without mass automation is appealing, I like it because it's kind of like playing ff8 or something where you get to control the full party and also you get attached to all of them and enjoy getting gear for them.

If I could not do that I would most likely go back to Tera or ESO where I enjoy the single player combat more.

I like multi-boxing(ive been doing it since some people were still in diapers) because its more fun to gear multiple characters and actively play different jobs at once etc. There is no denying that it has led the the games decline though. People are much much less likely to team up, mercs abound and most people multi-box due to greed. SE added so many systems that encourage multi-boxing since Abyssea came out with cruor and multi pops etc.

Oh and apparently Odoro is still active lol, as of APR 2nd. If only reports worked.

If only people bothered to report.

The game may not even still be running at all if not for multiboxing and the extra revenue and niche appeal it adds.

I didn't see it posted why they banned him this time. Anyone aware of the stated reason?
All I see is, he was multi-boxing and streamed: obviously this is why he was banned.
Maybe flagged as RMT for giving gil away, but then Rejiin should have also got a perma instead of a temp ban.
I'd be surprised if he didn't use react on an alt or two, but that's unlikely to get noticed from his stream account.

Stuff like using send, probably easier to catch than a bot that spams enter on accept trade paired with treasury. Especially when you send @all everything so you end up with 6 characters constantly trying to do the same things at the same time. Also JaZero probably on the easier side of things to catch.

And then stuff like being a streamer makes having angry little twitch jackasses spite reporting you much more likely. Even RMT stacks get maybe a handful of report because the STF report system is ***and you have to actually go outside the game and fill in some online form. Most players will grumble about '*** rmt' and keep playing without reporting. Spiteful twitch viewer? Oh that guys reporting 100%. They don't even have to PLAY THE GAME to do it. For Odoro, let's be honest, most people did ***like /blist Odoro said 'I'm done' and then bitched on here or on reddit.

Standard 2.1 cheating and botting reason. The same email everyone gets.

No not "obviously." Tons of people multi-box now, they haven't been banned. Streaming, what makes you people think SE even watches the streams? They probably don't even watch their own supported stream.


I highly doubt very few people reported Odoro. I know I personally put in a STF report on him, so if I could muster the effort to do that I am almost positive your average player submitted a GM report at the least. He is the evidence that they don't act solely on reports. It's an automated flag system that catches certain addons due to how they interact with the game (my guess is superwarps, bidder, send, with send being a very likely candidate.)

You reported it ONE time?

Salty *** out here report every hour, every day. There's a big difference.

I'll bet half of all reports "sent" are instantly destroyed (or not actually sent at all). You're gonna have to pump up those rookie numbers.

hope he keeps making new characters and keeps getting banned.

send/superwarp/enhanced gearswaps to automate songs/rolls/abilities/whatever should be banned for.

not saying i don't use them, but i'm also not stupid enough to stream myself using them. they are automation. they are 3rd party automation.

the dude deserves no sympathy.

akining this to tpparty/distance/enhancing your UI and basic windower functionality makes you a complete and total muppet. this discussion has been had thousands of times on this forum and needs to start being accepted as fact. jay-walking and shooting someone in cold blood are not the same crime just because they are both a crime.

I don't care to report again, its common knowledge that reporting does NOTHING. lol I mean cmon, tons of people report speed hacking, etc and SE does nothing. This is my point, they don't care about reports and their fake STF account numbers.

They are using an automated system that catches flags based on certain criteria and a randomized process is done to select who gets suspended, a GM checks off at the end by clicking "OK" and the rest is history. You guys are trying to make the whole process seem elaborate and grand. They probably do that in XIV but they couldn't care less for XI.

Using alts on FFXI is actually inline with the core gameplay of past FF titles honestly.

FF12 would be a better example, the gambits could be the addons people use to automate their mules lol. Then FF8 with the characters following behind you.

I tell ya what, let's all, as a team, brigade one of the CP bots.

We'll all report them every day. Thousands of reports. See if they survive past April 30th. (it won't happen before then, last thursday of the month)

If that specific bot doesn't get hit, we'll have proven reports don't work. But if they do get hit we've unequivocally proven that's 'how it be'.

you haven't the slightest clue how a software licensing agreement works. It's is very black and white, the rules are the rules. And the mechanism(s) put in place for checking the rules are a direct relation to the licensing agreement itself.

anything outside of vanilla play is against the ToS. Which is why the blanket 2.1 template response is the one most used.

This is not a comparison to your crime analogy. This is a for profit company that's dictating (licensing agreement) what you can and cannot do if you chose to purchase their product.

This forum is full of a bunch of people pretending to know how square enix operates, and how they chose to exercise their clear rights as the owner of the intellectual property.

You know 2 things about Square enix.

1) How much the service is costing you.
2) The terms you agree to follow when you give them your money.

They don't get banned on the spot anyway, they get tagged for termination and it can happen a month or two later.

They do this for blatantly obvious reasons.

There is no more clear of an example than Odoro. I don't get why you think nobody reported him, he was on the most viewed for two weeks straight and with a lot of hatred towards him. He was most certainly reported many many times. I personally have had my own fan club that reported me 24/7, I know for a fact in the day there were MANY people that reported Thorny when he played one of his mains and it did nothing.

I highly doubt much has changed in that regard. This thing happens every so often, I can use my own experiences for what I know. They go through periods where they don't do ***for 2 years, then something triggers them to turn on this automated system. Whether its a new expansion, a highly public case (the dupes) or something PR related.

Personally I think the community managers did it, and i think it's happening because they are making those twitch streams and seeing it. They can fast track this stuff.

The only thing blatantly obvious in this forum post is the amount of passion people have for their own speculation.