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Let's start a riot?!?!
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 19:49:52
Well if you did know about him, you would know he is right down there with Alex Jones in extremism, bounces from scandal to scandal, usually involving racist remarks he makes, advertisers have fled from his show, he is costing his network money because no one buys ads during his primetime slot, yet they keep running him out there to attack the Boogeyman. Posting one of his clips is like posting an Infowars clip.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 20:15:16
You're so close to a revelation here.
you've been juked by woke outrage mob mentality - exactly what he accused BLM becoming - a mob of thugs who will come for you if you disagree with them.
The missing words, fill in the blanks, it's easy.
A mob of thugs which are " color" will come for you.
‘Thugs’ is a race-code word that fuels anti-Black racism
no a thug is a person who commits criminal acts of violence. It has nothing to do with race, or being a racial dog whistle. Its literally the meaning of the word - and just because you want to associate it with race, doesnt make it a racial term. Anyone who uses violence to get what they want is a thug.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 20:22:30
Well if you did know about him, you would know he is right down there with Alex Jones in extremism, bounces from scandal to scandal, usually involving racist remarks he makes, advertisers have fled from his show, he is costing his network money because no one buys ads during his primetime slot, yet they keep running him out there to attack the Boogeyman. Posting one of his clips is like posting an Infowars clip.
Mother of christ, you arent just drinking the Koolaid you have a goddamn Iv drip of it directly into your brainstem if you think that statement is even in the same universe as reality. Are you seriously putting ALEX MOTHER *** JONES, The man who is renowned as complete and total joke, and has openly admitted that everything he says and does is for the entertainment aspect of his show, who thinks interdimensional psychic vampires were controlling the obama administration, is on the same level as TUCKER CARLSON? Are you shitting me???
you are so far into your echo chamber, i think you might have actually managed to, literally - not figuratively, insert your head into your own ***, and have formed an echo chamber within an echochamber, as you hear your own insanity parroted back to you as it reverberates off of your inside of your colon.
tucker carlson, lost advertisers, because he said something critical of black lives matter. not because he was wrong, but because he engaged in wrong think. If you think that him having lost advertisers over saying something contriversial makes him somehow wrong, or incorrect, you couldn't be further from the truth.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-13 20:32:59
Quote: In recent years, members of the black community have said thug is simply a politically correct replacement for racial slurs. In January 2014, for example, Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman said during a press conference, "It seems like it's the accepted way of calling somebody the N word nowadays."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-13 20:36:21
You're so close to a revelation here.
you've been juked by woke outrage mob mentality - exactly what he accused BLM becoming - a mob of thugs who will come for you if you disagree with them.
The missing words, fill in the blanks, it's easy.
A mob of thugs which are " color" will come for you.
‘Thugs’ is a race-code word that fuels anti-Black racism
no a thug is a person who commits criminal acts of violence. It has nothing to do with race, or being a racial dog whistle. Its literally the meaning of the word - and just because you want to associate it with race, doesnt make it a racial term. Anyone who uses violence to get what they want is a thug.
What I find interesting about these accusations of "dog whistles" is that they inadvertently perpetuate the negative word association between the groups. It's pretty typical for people to use words not knowing that there is a potentially negative racial connotation, but as soon as they are chastised for using it the connection is forever cemented in their brains. So instead of thinking "thugs" are "criminals", now you're thinking "thugs" are "exclusively black criminals". How does that help end racism?
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:38:13
Lol, you're very amusing and all, but this isn't the first time Tucker's racism has cost him advertisers, like I said, he literally bounces from scandal to scandal, but it's nice to know he is one of your sources for so many of your conspiracies of late. I was actually surprised anyone was still running ads during his show, he has been at it for years now.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 20:39:34
Quote: In recent years, members of the black community have said thug is simply a politically correct replacement for racial slurs. In January 2014, for example, Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman said during a press conference, "It seems like it's the accepted way of calling somebody the N word nowadays."
And your point is? Ok lets humor that idea - so we say thug is now a no-no word, that its racially charged, because of some misconstrued notion that Thuggery is only limited to black people. Despite the term originating from INDIA.
Despite being WIDELY USED against people of all races.
DESPITE ITS ENTIRE HISTORY IN AMERICA HAVING BEEN APPLIED TO WHITE MOBSTERS FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MOB ERA.
Lets humor that insane notion, that some how now its only limited to black people.
lets just call them Violent criminals. How long until Violent criminals becomes the next "OH YOUR ONLY CALLING THEM THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE RAYCIS"
Words have meanings. PERIOD. Just because someone wants to say that thug is racially charged, does not make it so.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 20:42:47
Lol, you're very amusing and all, but this isn't the first time Tucker's racism has cost him advertisers, like I said, he literally bounces from scandal to scandal, but it's nice to know he is one of your sources for so many of your conspiracies of late. I was actually surprised anyone was still running ads during his show, he has been at it for years now.
im sorry were you making an argument or just massaging your prostate with your tongue since we've already established your unique talents?
only someone completely devoid of logic and reason, or someone unwilling to listen to logic and reason, would ever conflate correctness with groupthink.
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:44:43
You're so close to a revelation here.
you've been juked by woke outrage mob mentality - exactly what he accused BLM becoming - a mob of thugs who will come for you if you disagree with them.
The missing words, fill in the blanks, it's easy.
A mob of thugs which are " color" will come for you.
‘Thugs’ is a race-code word that fuels anti-Black racism
no a thug is a person who commits criminal acts of violence. It has nothing to do with race, or being a racial dog whistle. Its literally the meaning of the word - and just because you want to associate it with race, doesnt make it a racial term. Anyone who uses violence to get what they want is a thug.
What I find interesting about these accusations of "dog whistles" is that they inadvertently perpetuate the negative word association between the groups. It's pretty typical for people to use words not knowing that there is a potentially negative racial connotation, but as soon as they are chastised for using it the connection is forever cemented in their brains. So instead of thinking "thugs" are "criminals", now you're thinking "thugs" are "exclusively black criminals". How does that help end racism?
Context matters. Thug has absolutely become a word used to describe black people in a negative light. We just saw the President use it at the beginning of the riots, it wasn't an accident, and no one was surprised. Everyone knows how Trump feels about minorities, he was trying to fan the flames and he succeeded in bringing the protests to his doorstep.
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:45:21
Lol, you're very amusing and all, but this isn't the first time Tucker's racism has cost him advertisers, like I said, he literally bounces from scandal to scandal, but it's nice to know he is one of your sources for so many of your conspiracies of late. I was actually surprised anyone was still running ads during his show, he has been at it for years now.
im sorry were you making an argument or just massaging your prostate with your tongue since we've already established your unique talents?
only someone completely devoid of logic and reason, or someone unwilling to listen to logic and reason, would ever conflate correctness with groupthink.
like I said, amusing.
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:46:51
Quote: In recent years, members of the black community have said thug is simply a politically correct replacement for racial slurs. In January 2014, for example, Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman said during a press conference, "It seems like it's the accepted way of calling somebody the N word nowadays."
And your point is? Ok lets humor that idea - so we say thug is now a no-no word, that its racially charged, because of some misconstrued notion that Thuggery is only limited to black people. Despite the term originating from INDIA.
Despite being WIDELY USED against people of all races.
DESPITE ITS ENTIRE HISTORY IN AMERICA HAVING BEEN APPLIED TO WHITE MOBSTERS FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MOB ERA.
Lets humor that insane notion, that some how now its only limited to black people.
lets just call them Violent criminals. How long until Violent criminals becomes the next "OH YOUR ONLY CALLING THEM THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE RAYCIS"
Words have meanings. PERIOD. Just because someone wants to say that thug is racially charged, does not make it so.
Kinda like how typing in caps lock and bolding words doesn't make them any more accurate.
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:48:59
Quote: In recent years, members of the black community have said thug is simply a politically correct replacement for racial slurs. In January 2014, for example, Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman said during a press conference, "It seems like it's the accepted way of calling somebody the N word nowadays."
I remember when they were going after Sherm, they ran into that Stanford education and it didn't go well for those certain people. Of course those were the same people that went after Kaepernick, I wonder what they are gonna do this season when half the NFL is taking a knee during the anthem?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 20:49:12
You're so close to a revelation here.
you've been juked by woke outrage mob mentality - exactly what he accused BLM becoming - a mob of thugs who will come for you if you disagree with them.
The missing words, fill in the blanks, it's easy.
A mob of thugs which are " color" will come for you.
‘Thugs’ is a race-code word that fuels anti-Black racism
no a thug is a person who commits criminal acts of violence. It has nothing to do with race, or being a racial dog whistle. Its literally the meaning of the word - and just because you want to associate it with race, doesnt make it a racial term. Anyone who uses violence to get what they want is a thug.
What I find interesting about these accusations of "dog whistles" is that they inadvertently perpetuate the negative word association between the groups. It's pretty typical for people to use words not knowing that there is a potentially negative racial connotation, but as soon as they are chastised for using it the connection is forever cemented in their brains. So instead of thinking "thugs" are "criminals", now you're thinking "thugs" are "exclusively black criminals". How does that help end racism?
Context matters. Thug has absolutely become a word used to describe black people in a negative light. We just saw the President use it at the beginning of the riots, it wasn't an accident, and no one was surprised. Everyone knows how Trump feels about minorities, he was trying to fan the flames and he succeeded in bringing the protests to his doorstep.
oh *** off with that.
you know as well as i do, trump has always been supportive, and an ally of the black community from day one. Just because he threatened the democrat and republican establishment when he came into power does not diminish or erase the AMPLE work he has done towards bettering the black community for nearly his entire life. If you truly believe that trump is racist towards blacks, and i mean this, if you truly believe this- you are so far beyond help that nothing i could ever say or do would ever bring you back into reality.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-13 20:53:26
Funny how so many of these arguments are "well we know what they REALLY meant when they said [insert word here]". You see what you want to see.
Obama used the word. Didn't regret it. Why should Trump?
Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 20:58:16
You're so close to a revelation here.
you've been juked by woke outrage mob mentality - exactly what he accused BLM becoming - a mob of thugs who will come for you if you disagree with them.
The missing words, fill in the blanks, it's easy.
A mob of thugs which are " color" will come for you.
‘Thugs’ is a race-code word that fuels anti-Black racism
no a thug is a person who commits criminal acts of violence. It has nothing to do with race, or being a racial dog whistle. Its literally the meaning of the word - and just because you want to associate it with race, doesnt make it a racial term. Anyone who uses violence to get what they want is a thug.
What I find interesting about these accusations of "dog whistles" is that they inadvertently perpetuate the negative word association between the groups. It's pretty typical for people to use words not knowing that there is a potentially negative racial connotation, but as soon as they are chastised for using it the connection is forever cemented in their brains. So instead of thinking "thugs" are "criminals", now you're thinking "thugs" are "exclusively black criminals". How does that help end racism?
Context matters. Thug has absolutely become a word used to describe black people in a negative light. We just saw the President use it at the beginning of the riots, it wasn't an accident, and no one was surprised. Everyone knows how Trump feels about minorities, he was trying to fan the flames and he succeeded in bringing the protests to his doorstep.
oh *** off with that.
you know as well as i do, trump has always been supportive, and an ally of the black community from day one. Just because he threatened the democrat and republican establishment when he came into power does not diminish or erase the AMPLE work he has done towards bettering the black community for nearly his entire life. If you truly believe that trump is racist towards blacks, and i mean this, if you truly believe this- you are so far beyond help that nothing i could ever say or do would ever bring you back into reality.
LOL. I'm sure you believe his interview yesterday too right? When he said no President had done more for black people than him, other than maybe Lincoln, whose work had a "questionable" ending? (you know, freedom for the slaves?) There is a long list of Presidents who have done more for the black community than Trump. No one wonders why he has such low support amongst minorities.
But yeah, you are on a roll today. This is even better than when you made up that Keith Ellison story. Highly entertaining.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-13 21:00:26
When he said no President had done more for black people than him, other than maybe Lincoln, whose work had a "questionable" ending?
His work did have a questionable ending. He was shot in the head. You inserted the "freedom for the slaves" yourself. You hear what you want to hear.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-13 21:02:20
When he said no President had done more for black people than him, other than maybe Lincoln, whose work had a "questionable" ending?
His work did have a questionable ending. He was shot in the head. You inserted the "freedom for the slaves" yourself. You hear what you want to hear.
No I didn't. Did you watch the softball interview? The reporter cut him off and inserted the word freedom. Nice try tho.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-13 21:14:09
Okay, so the reporter inserted the "freedom" part. Nowhere did Trump say that freedom was the "questionable result".
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 21:19:30
Lol ok.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-06-13 21:24:19
https://medium.com/@soumynona_/anonymous-letter-from-uc-berkeley-professor-in-response-to-black-lives-matter-protests-24a66a6f1ca7
I copypasta the info in the spoiler because i think the link will get nuked as hate speech for not parroting "the" narrative.
It's a long article, but worth the read (i read the whole thing) Anonymous letter from UC Berkeley professor concerning BLM/recent events
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Dear profs X, Y, Z
I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.
In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.
In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.
Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or ‘Uncle Toms’. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.
The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.
A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email.
Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black. Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries. And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department’s apparent desire to shoulder the ‘white man’s burden’ and to promote a narrative of white guilt.
If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it’s fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. “Those are racist dogwhistles”. “The model minority myth is white supremacist”. “Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime”, ad nauseam. These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.
Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM’s problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.
I personally don’t dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.
The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.
No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald’s and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.
The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn’t led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices — as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.
Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the ‘systemic racism’ there was built by successive Democrat administrations.
The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you. The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.
There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called ‘race hustlers’: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.
Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist. MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?
As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.
And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species. I’m ashamed of my department. I would say that I’m ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It’s hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.
It shouldn’t affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.
The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites. No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.
I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party’s uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd’s death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.
I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.
By Viciouss 2020-06-13 21:34:31
Maybe next time consider spacing because that is indeed a giant wall of text.
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By Phoenix.Thorbean 2020-06-13 22:24:17
"Thug" is not race specific you *** wet wipes. Stop changing the meaning of words to suit your dumb *** narrative.
"Right Wing Thugs"
https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1271884520485203969?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
"Far Right Racist Thugs"
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1271796513908363264?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
"Right Wing Thugs"
https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1271830479323508744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Ps. This is the media narrative, the "far right" they are talking about were mostly ex military and middle aged public protecting war memorials. There is a massive backlash against the media for labeling them all far right.
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By Cruz Missive 2020-06-13 22:33:41
As a parent, I'll thank you to not disparage wet wipes.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-13 22:35:09
Quote: Boris Johnson has condemned violence by protesters in central London on Saturday as “racist thuggery” in a post on Twitter.
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By Phoenix.Thorbean 2020-06-13 22:43:04
As a parent, I'll thank you to not disparage wet wipes.
Good point, wet wipes have 'tegridy.
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By Phoenix.Thorbean 2020-06-13 22:56:07
Quote: Boris Johnson has condemned violence by protesters in central London on Saturday as “racist thuggery” in a post on Twitter.
Last week they were "mostly peaceful protests" with 27 police officers injured, horses hit with bricks, one officer ended up with a punctured lung.
Today the public showed up and forced the police to do their job. 3 officers with minor injuries, 4 group assaults on lone white men. "racist thuggery".
So far, no BAME casualties.
I'd wager at least the 40k members of the vet group who set up the memorial defence won't be paying TV licence any more after today.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-06-13 22:59:20
Maybe next time consider spacing because that is indeed a giant wall of text. I'd fix it but editing was disabled...
*Stares at Rooks*
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-06-13 23:11:26
Oh, so some copypasta is unreadable and can't be edited?
/closes the ticket as "Working as intended"
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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-06-13 23:17:05
Oh, so some copypasta is unreadable and can't be edited?
/closes the ticket as "Working as intended" I'll ticket YOUR FACE!
/RIOT
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-13 23:19:22
The letter was actually a pretty decent read. Goes over the fact that colleges have become an echochamber where voicing dissenting opinion costs you your job. it basically breaks down every BLM/Left argument about the issue of race in our country, and generally comes back to the same conclusion i've come to, in that the only answer is that people have to be better. Whites have to be better, blacks have to be better, etc etc.
Anonymous letter from UC Berkeley professor concerning BLM/recent events
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Dear profs X, Y, Z
I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field. In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.
In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.
Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or ‘Uncle Toms’. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.
The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.
A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email.
Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black. Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries. And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department’s apparent desire to shoulder the ‘white man’s burden’ and to promote a narrative of white guilt.
If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it’s fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. “Those are racist dogwhistles”. “The model minority myth is white supremacist”. “Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime”, ad nauseam. These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.
Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM’s problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.
I personally don’t dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.
The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.
No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald’s and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.
The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn’t led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices — as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.
Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the ‘systemic racism’ there was built by successive Democrat administrations.
The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you. The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.
There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called ‘race hustlers’: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.
Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist. MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?
As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.
And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species. I’m ashamed of my department. I would say that I’m ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It’s hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.
It shouldn’t affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.
The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites. No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.
I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party’s uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd’s death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.
I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.
So yea been out of the loop, has the rebellion began?
Is sublime gonna make a 2020 edition? What cities are popping off? What was the "last straw"?
Stay tuned for more excitement in 2020....
Edit: diverting the latest corona shenanigans from random thoughts.
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