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Let's start a riot?!?!
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 21:54:41
I just don't see Trump's ego backing down. I really don't.
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2020-06-11 21:54:46
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Thank you Vic.
So in Alabama or wherever, the Governor blinked when playing chicken with Eisenhower?
I think your referring to Governor George Wallace vs JFK? In that case, JFK issued an EO that federalized the Guard, I doubt such an order would stand up to legal scrutiny in this day and age. MAYBE????? I swear it was Eisenhower but I can be wrong.
I FORGOT HISTORY BECAUSE THERE IS NO STATUE OF IT TO TELL ME!!!!!!! D: It was JFK and he invoked the Insurrection Act. You're thinking of Stand in the Schoolhouse Door
Edit: Eisenhower also did it just JFK's was the probably most famous and JFK did it 2 more times. Sauce
By Draylo 2020-06-11 21:55:12
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »So, this really is going to blow up bad. President sends in military, not the national guard governers are supposed to be the authority on that.
So Trump sends in troops, governor activates the guard, because he seems the type. And then what? They either stalemate or.... Worst case they begin fighting? ***is cereal. IIRC, President can Federalize the NG. Correct me if I am wrong, that brings them under his Chain of Command?
No. Only in Washington DC can the President exert some authority over the National Guard, and that's only if the states agree to actually send their Guard to DC. And the Mayor of DC still has a lot of power. Several states said no to Trump's request for their Guard to report to DC. The National Guard is not a federal force. Right now, the only way Trump could get involved in the wildly misreported events going on in Seattle would be to invoke the zinsurrection Act and send in the US military, which he ain't gonna do.
Lol, do tell, how is this widely misreported? I just posted 3 different news sources saying the same stuff.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-11 21:56:37
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Unrelated, but what happens if say...a certain black face wearing governor sends in National Guard to restore "law and order" for "gun confiscation" in counties that declare they won't enforce unconstitutional gun laws passed by the state? Do Federal Forces protect the Citizens there?
No...there are no "federal forces." You're SOL. Well then...it's up to the Citizens to resist then?
Now when hearing of Portland
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By Viciouss 2020-06-11 21:57:22
mother of god....
now im seeing rumors that the portlanders are stealing fencing from everywhere and are trying to set up their own safe space.
Yea, you have been sharing your doomsday theories for a few days now.
Nothing is gonna happen in Seattle. The whole situation is being blown up by the right wing and Trump, but all it is is some people out protesting in downtown. There hasn't been any reports of violence, rioting, looting, shakedowns, it's a bunch of people standing around demanding crazy things in a city known to be crazy. Obviously people like nausi and tucker Carlson are foaming at the mouth over it, wake me up when actual crimes start occurring.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 21:59:09
National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances.
Not quite, National Guard are part of the US Armed Forces. They get trained in the exact same places as the rest of us, same ranks, same command structure, only difference being they are made available to a states Governor in times of emergency. National Guard still reports to big Army.
https://www.nationalguard.mil/About-the-Guard/Army-National-Guard/About-Us/Federal-Mission/
The States do not get their own private militaries.
Quote: During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.
While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.
Even when not federalized, the Army National Guard has a federal obligation (or mission.) That mission is to maintain properly trained and equipped units, available for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency, or as otherwise needed.
The Army National Guard is a partner with the Active Army and the Army Reserves in fulfilling the country's military needs. I guess I have misunderstood. Full blown insurrection aside. Pretty sure it is unconstitutional to activate against this particular group of snow flakes. Maybe when they start ethnic cleansing, and or begin massacring every person who isn't sucking on the soy lattes?
Edit: or begin arming themselves and taking actual paramilitary type actions against government facilities/personnel.
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By volkom 2020-06-11 22:00:51
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Unrelated, but what happens if say...a certain black face wearing governor sends in National Guard to restore "law and order" for "gun confiscation" in counties that declare they won't enforce unconstitutional gun laws passed by the state? Do Federal Forces protect the Citizens there?
No...there are no "federal forces." You're SOL. Well then...it's up to the Citizens to resist then?
Now when hearing of Portland
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-11 22:03:38
I guess I have misunderstood. Full blown insurrection aside. Pretty sure it is unconstitutional to activate against this particular group of snow flakes. Maybe when they start ethnic cleansing, and or begin massacring every person who isn't sucking on the soy lattes? This part worries me. They don't have enough constitution/HP/STR, whatever RP stat it is, to survive SWAT/NG storming them out. I hope for their sake they peacefully wait them out. They are frail and malnourished.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-11 22:05:17
So, this really is going to blow up bad. President sends in military, not the national guard governers are supposed to be the authority on that.
So Trump sends in troops, governor activates the guard as a counter move, because he seems the type. And then what? They either stalemate or.... Worst case they begin fighting? ***is cereal.
National Guard is still part of the Armed Forces and the CinC trumps the Governor.
What happens then is purely theoretical because only one group ever attempted this, but attempting armed resistance to the US Military is known as "rebellion".
That's all super far fetched though and kinda extreme, this will likely fizzle out once pressure is put on these folks. Time will tell, it also depends on if the actual boots on the ground are willing to fight with their own neighbors.
It's very cut and dry regarding something called a lawful order. NG folks take the same oath as RA and AR.
Quote: I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
The God part can be substituted with whatever someone wants.
NG would be a whole lot more likely to arrest whomever attempted to order them to rebel against the US Government.
And again this is pretty extreme and theoretical, I can't imagine any political figure willing to risk their cushy jobs on action. I expect a whole lot of MSM feces but nothing radical. Either the Mayor or the Governor will be pressured into cleaning up the situation.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-11 22:05:49
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Unrelated, but what happens if say...a certain black face wearing governor sends in National Guard to restore "law and order" for "gun confiscation" in counties that declare they won't enforce unconstitutional gun laws passed by the state? Do Federal Forces protect the Citizens there?
No...there are no "federal forces." You're SOL. Well then...it's up to the Citizens to resist then?
Now when hearing of Portland When we failed to unify, even though we were all behind Justice for Floyd.

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By Viciouss 2020-06-11 22:06:32
National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances.
Not quite, National Guard are part of the US Armed Forces. They get trained in the exact same places as the rest of us, same ranks, same command structure, only difference being they are made available to a states Governor in times of emergency. National Guard still reports to big Army.
https://www.nationalguard.mil/About-the-Guard/Army-National-Guard/About-Us/Federal-Mission/
The States do not get their own private militaries.
Quote: During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.
While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.
Even when not federalized, the Army National Guard has a federal obligation (or mission.) That mission is to maintain properly trained and equipped units, available for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency, or as otherwise needed.
The Army National Guard is a partner with the Active Army and the Army Reserves in fulfilling the country's military needs. I guess I have misunderstood. Full blown insurrection aside. Pretty sure it is unconstitutional to activate against this particular group of snow flakes. Maybe when they start ethnic cleansing, and or begin massacring every person who isn't sucking on the soy lattes?
Edit: or begin arming themselves and taking actual paramilitary type actions against government facilities/personnel.
Nothing is gonna happen, and as for "arming themselves" Washington has full open carry, so they are allowed to have those guns. Now they would be brushing up against the law if they were stopping people.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 22:07:17
90% of the military does not know the difference between lawful orders or not. Most will blindly follow orders.
Coming from a Vet, not talking out of my *** on this one.
Edit: and military history is chalk full of examples to back that up also.
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By volkom 2020-06-11 22:09:10
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Unrelated, but what happens if say...a certain black face wearing governor sends in National Guard to restore "law and order" for "gun confiscation" in counties that declare they won't enforce unconstitutional gun laws passed by the state? Do Federal Forces protect the Citizens there?
No...there are no "federal forces." You're SOL. Well then...it's up to the Citizens to resist then?
Now when hearing of Portland When we failed to unify, even though we were all behind Justice for Floyd.
 meanwhile the police elsewhere~
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-11 22:10:17
LOL OK Volk, gonna head home, that was great.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-11 22:15:23
National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances.
Not quite, National Guard are part of the US Armed Forces. They get trained in the exact same places as the rest of us, same ranks, same command structure, only difference being they are made available to a states Governor in times of emergency. National Guard still reports to big Army.
https://www.nationalguard.mil/About-the-Guard/Army-National-Guard/About-Us/Federal-Mission/
The States do not get their own private militaries.
Quote: During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.
While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.
Even when not federalized, the Army National Guard has a federal obligation (or mission.) That mission is to maintain properly trained and equipped units, available for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency, or as otherwise needed.
The Army National Guard is a partner with the Active Army and the Army Reserves in fulfilling the country's military needs. I guess I have misunderstood. Full blown insurrection aside. Pretty sure it is unconstitutional to activate against this particular group of snow flakes. Maybe when they start ethnic cleansing, and or begin massacring every person who isn't sucking on the soy lattes?
Edit: or begin arming themselves and taking actual paramilitary type actions against government facilities/personnel.
All it takes is a statement declaring a particular geographic area separate and sovereign from the US Government. Effectively declaring a new country inside the USA. There doesn't need to be any actual armed resistance, that only determines the severity of the results.
Peacefully declaring ones self to be a new country just results in the local police or feds showing up and kindly informing you that you must still follow US law. Arguing against them is bad, you'll lose. Armed resistance escalates it open revolt and that then involves the US Military to put down said revolt.
The earliest "revolt" against federal authority we had.
Whiskey Rebellion
Washington raised an Army and personally rode in the suppress the revolt.
The Constitution already grants both the Executive and Legislation this power, the Insurrection Act just provided a clear framework for its exercise.
By Viciouss 2020-06-11 22:27:30
Has anyone checked to see if Chanti is headed to that hippie fest yet?
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 22:29:06
Is it worth the trip, or risk getting tear gassed, to /popcorn?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 22:49:40
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Unrelated, but what happens if say...a certain black face wearing governor sends in National Guard to restore "law and order" for "gun confiscation" in counties that declare they won't enforce unconstitutional gun laws passed by the state? Do Federal Forces protect the Citizens there?
No...there are no "federal forces." You're SOL. Well then...it's up to the Citizens to resist then?
Now when hearing of Portland When we failed to unify, even though we were all behind Justice for Floyd.
 meanwhile the police elsewhere~
Are we making spoilers great again?
MSGA!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-11 22:58:57
Lmao called it
Trump: Take back your city or i will.
apparently the governor of washington didn't even know this was going on??? Quote: Trump lashed out at state and local leadership, proclaiming that Inslee and Mayor Jenny Durkan, both Democrats, “are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before.” He warned both leaders to “take back your city NOW,” adding that “if you don’t do it, I will.”
“This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped [sic] IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!”
“Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker,” Durkan responded Wednesday night, a reference to protests several weeks ago in Washington, D.C., when Trump was rushed to the White House’s safe room as protests turned violent. Durkan also included a hashtag supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.
“A man who is totally incapable of governing should stay out of Washington state’s business,” wrote Inslee, playing off the president’s spelling error and instructing him to “‘Stoop’ tweeting.” Inslee knew what was happening of course.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 22:59:51
Has anyone checked to see if Chanti is headed to that hippie fest yet? She posted an hour ago from the Trump thread, so doubt she is there. Edit: Damn it Chanti!
Unless somebody hacked into the government wifi (I keep telling them that JeffersonDavis4Life! isn't a good Seattle government password....) that is.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-11 23:02:31
Apparently Raz Simone, is making himself the 'Warlords of new seattle'. apparently theyre shaking down the businesses and homes there..... Link??
And while you are at it:
this same governor, literally just told trump to mind his own business and to leave governing to people who know what they're doing???? AND HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW A FULL BLOWN INSURRECTION WAS HAPPENING IN HIS STATE???? Link this too.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 23:05:20
Apparently Raz Simone, is making himself the 'Warlords of new seattle'. apparently theyre shaking down the businesses and homes there..... Link?? Ask and you shall receive
And while you are at it:
this same governor, literally just told trump to mind his own business and to leave governing to people who know what they're doing???? AND HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW A FULL BLOWN INSURRECTION WAS HAPPENING IN HIS STATE???? Link this too. Sure, straight from the horse's mouth
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 23:08:44
/lights the Rooks' Signal!
By volkom 2020-06-11 23:15:31
magic the gathering is being targeted for racist depictions
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 23:16:28
So, this guy Raz.... I saw the tweet saying to paraphrase "not true, people are stupid, afraid of a strong black man" in response to Trump calling him a terrorist, and others claiming he is packing heat and assaulting people within 'his borders'.
But he isn't denying that he is acting this way. So is he? Or isn't he, and also, is there evidence of him harming people?
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By volkom 2020-06-11 23:20:09
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this is unreal lol
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 23:21:08
If you look hard enough you can find the boogie man in anything.
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By Asura.Gnawclaw 2020-06-11 23:21:32
Harold McNeill is a pretty overt racist. Some (not all the cards they dealt with) of those cards have been brought up before and it's a little crazy that it took this long for them to do anything.
It's been brought up multiple times over the years.
Edit: To be clear I have like no vested interested in MTG. I found looking up Harold McNeill to be far more interesting. (a conversation about separating the artist from their art etc).
It's entirely possible some of this is heavy handed or opportunistic, like removing that Cleanse card. I only caught bits and pieces of that video you linked and it seemed like the point those guys were making too.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-11 23:23:52
magic the gathering is being targeted for racist depictions
Again you mean?
Edit- Beat.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-11 23:40:03
mother of god....
now im seeing rumors that the portlanders are stealing fencing from everywhere and are trying to set up their own safe space. Copycats...
National guard has a duty to guard against federal authority from attacking it's own citizens, part of checks and balances. Its a nice fantasy.
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Yes but I recall Eisenhower putting the...Alabama NG maybe, under Federal Command to allow students into College, against the Governor's wishes. You are correct Skull. I saw it on TV in living black and white.
No. Only in Washington DC can the President exert some authority over the National Guard, and that's only if the states agree to actually send their Guard to DC.... Wrong. He can federalize any state's national guard but not at a whim. He needs a good reason, like the state's governor resisting a federal mandate. See above.
Then again the Trump team is pretty good at manufacturing cheap excuses for drastic actions.
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So yea been out of the loop, has the rebellion began?
Is sublime gonna make a 2020 edition? What cities are popping off? What was the "last straw"?
Stay tuned for more excitement in 2020....
Edit: diverting the latest corona shenanigans from random thoughts.
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