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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-10 23:32:18
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Just going to state, for the record, that I have never watched Alex Jones. Carry on.
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By volkom 2020-06-10 23:36:55
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Just going to state, for the record, that I have never watched Alex Jones. Carry on.

he's a character for sure ~ especially when people take what he says out of context. Not sure if you like anime or heard of Goblin Slayer but this was pulled from a monthly anime compilation video.

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By Prong 2020-06-10 23:47:13
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Just going to state, for the record, that I have never watched Alex Jones. Carry on.


Yeah that dude is not all there. I just wish everyone can just be more objective when discussing these topics because assuming anyone who doesn't agree with your world view is the extreme opposite of you on all such matters makes the discussion a moot point.

This (IMO) is what social media/forums has created. In person discussions, you have to be a bit more polite because you never know when that guy across the table is about to contribute to your dental issues. Here, people feel invincible and go straight for the insults.

The current issues simply to me are exacerbated by our media because our media literally are those little twinks, hiding behind their PC screens, wanting to be the tough guys they could never be in person. So, since they have the job (authority) to pen whatever their own opinion is into every story, mixed with a few facts here and there to make it appear authentic, they have control of the rhetoric and the appearance of, "this is right, anything else is wrong" since people have been conditioned to believe, "Well, it was on TV(or the internet) so...must be true!!!"

Then they go right back to taking selfies with their Yorkshire terrier and feeling as if they contributed to "the cause" because they liked a tweet.
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By Prong 2020-06-10 23:50:22
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volkom said: »
he's a character for sure ~ especially when people take what he says out of context. Not sure if you like anime or heard of Goblin Slayer but this was pulled from a monthly anime compilation video.

I loved Goblin Slayer, like the anime version of John Wicke. i hope they make another season.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-10 23:50:52
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Just going to state, for the record, that I have never watched Alex Jones. Carry on.

It's funny comedy, nothing more.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-11 00:08:08
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Comedy... yeah...

Of all the words in the entire english language, comedy is easily in the last 10 in existence useful for describing alex jones.

It's "comedic" how unironically sad it is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 00:16:08
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volkom said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Just going to state, for the record, that I have never watched Alex Jones. Carry on.

he's a character for sure ~ especially when people take what he says out of context. Not sure if you like anime or heard of Goblin Slayer but this was pulled from a monthly anime compilation video.

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The *** did I just watch?

You owe me 30 seconds of my life back!
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By Prong 2020-06-11 00:17:11
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This is the cancel culture issue I was referencing earlier that I feel is the most dangerous aspect of the current movement we are seeing on the left in America.

Yes, sorry, it's a Fox News story, but most other sites refuse to cover these issues for fear of getting flushed down the toilet for just stating facts, such as this lady.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/asu-journalism-dean-out-microaggressions-police-good-tweet

So, she's being accused of "microaggressions" (on social media, of course) and having a professional opportunity revoked by students for simply stating, "some cops are good." Now, serious question, would the people who virtue signal and toss around inane terms like "microaggressions" in order to force people into unemployment for stating facts be referred to as leftist or progressives or...?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 00:18:00
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Prong said: »
volkom said: »
he's a character for sure ~ especially when people take what he says out of context. Not sure if you like anime or heard of Goblin Slayer but this was pulled from a monthly anime compilation video.

I loved Goblin Slayer, like the anime version of John Wicke. i hope they make another season.
They are.
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By Prong 2020-06-11 00:18:53
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Comedy... yeah...

Of all the words in the entire english language, comedy is easily in the last 10 in existence useful for describing alex jones.

It's "comedic" how unironically sad it is.

I'm still waiting for you to give me your literal, real world alternative to poor people who only have an employment opportunity with a company that isn't virtuous enough in your eyes.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-11 00:19:39
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It's america, build your own
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By Prong 2020-06-11 00:19:57
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Prong said: »
volkom said: »
he's a character for sure ~ especially when people take what he says out of context. Not sure if you like anime or heard of Goblin Slayer but this was pulled from a monthly anime compilation video.

I loved Goblin Slayer, like the anime version of John Wicke. i hope they make another season.
They are.


Nice, really looking forward to that and the supposed, eventual Season 2 of The Ancient Magus' Bride.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-11 00:20:10
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Prong said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Comedy... yeah...

Of all the words in the entire english language, comedy is easily in the last 10 in existence useful for describing alex jones.

It's "comedic" how unironically sad it is.

I'm still waiting for you to give me your literal, real world alternative to poor people who only have an employment opportunity with a company that isn't virtuous enough in your eyes.
It doesn't exist to him.

He has stated many times that work is slave labor.
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By Prong 2020-06-11 00:21:48
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's america, build your own

How very conservative of you, actually. "Solve your own problems, start your own business." Although you and I well know many would have 10 million arguments to show how this is not feasible for most, I'm not necessarily in disagreement with it.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-11 04:26:27
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*** man, i walk away for a few hours and were talking about Goblin slayer and Alex jones? Im so disappointed i missed this.
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By Asura.Suteru 2020-06-11 05:09:21
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Paying billions of dollars in tax revenue to an already extraordinarily wealthy private entity to bribe them into coming to your neighborhood so they can hire people elsewhere and drive up rent so the current residents cannot afford to live in their own neighborhood isn't the answer either really.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-11 05:15:41
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Asura.Suteru said: »
Paying billions of dollars in tax revenue to an already extraordinarily wealthy private entity to bribe them into coming to your neighborhood so they can hire people elsewhere and drive up rent so the current residents cannot afford to live in their own neighborhood isn't the answer either really.

You should have told that to NYC decades ago.
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By Draylo 2020-06-11 08:06:28
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Seattle has gone crazy
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By Draylo 2020-06-11 08:07:15
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Biden is also against defunding police (or lol, abolishing) so I wonder what people will vote for now!
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2020-06-11 08:37:58
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Draylo said: »
Seattle has gone crazy
**We finally get the microscope to see Seattle is crazy. Seattle's been a bunch of crazy weirdos for a while now. They just never did anything.
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By Draylo 2020-06-11 09:59:18
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Prong said: »
This is the cancel culture issue I was referencing earlier that I feel is the most dangerous aspect of the current movement we are seeing on the left in America.

Yes, sorry, it's a Fox News story, but most other sites refuse to cover these issues for fear of getting flushed down the toilet for just stating facts, such as this lady.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/asu-journalism-dean-out-microaggressions-police-good-tweet

So, she's being accused of "microaggressions" (on social media, of course) and having a professional opportunity revoked by students for simply stating, "some cops are good." Now, serious question, would the people who virtue signal and toss around inane terms like "microaggressions" in order to force people into unemployment for stating facts be referred to as leftist or progressives or...?

Yeah I have already noticed that anything you say against them they will do anything and everything in their power to silence you. So much for free thought and opinions, they just want you to be a part of their hivemind or they will destroy you. Very alarming how hateful the left has shown to be. I remember posting on BG during all this and people would send me messages privately, advising I don't share my opinion because people won't accept it. It's like the majority want an echo chamber on the left to be happy.

Part of that same culture that will look 10 years into the past to grab a tweet out of context to screw your life over lol.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-11 13:42:01
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i have to wonder at what point is trump going to have to invoke the insurrection act here with seattle? Whats going on in seattle plainly fits the description of insurrection, and regardless of what the governor says at that point about it- ultimately the fed can supercede him at this juncture.

I have to surmise that hes decided to leave it alone so that people can see just how weak and ineffectual the democrats are at managing their cities? that or hes afraid the heavy handedness will hurt his re-election prospects; or both. Which i cant find fault in either of those lines of thought.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 13:48:16
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I guess I missed it, what is happening in Seattle right now?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-11 13:57:31
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Leviathan.Draugo said: »
I guess I missed it, what is happening in Seattle right now?

The rioters basically chased the police out entirely, and have claimed a six block section of the city; declaring it is autonomous from seattle, and america.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone

They even have a list of 'demands' before it will be returned to the state.

Their List of Demands said:
Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.
  1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.

  2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.

  3. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.

  4. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.

  5. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.

  6. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.

  7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.

  8. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.

  9. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.

  10. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.

  11. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.

  12. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.

  13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.

  14. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.

  15. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.

  16. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.

  17. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.

  18. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.

  19. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.



We also have economic demands that must be addressed.
  1. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.

  2. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.

  3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.

  4. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.

  5. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.



Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

  1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.

  2. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.

  3. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.



Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.
  1. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.

  2. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.

  3. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.


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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-11 14:07:42
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Me after having to read that list of demands

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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-11 14:18:01
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Draylo said: »
Seattle has gone crazy
Seattle has ALWAYS been crazy.

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“There are forty-seven states in the Union, and the Soviet of Washington,” Postmaster General James Farley joked in 1936.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 14:22:04
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.
This should have happened the moment the state legalized.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-11 14:23:38
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems
This will become mob justice, no good.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-11 14:25:35
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Leviathan.Draugo said: »
Bahamut.Negan said: »
Rooks said: »
shoot first, ask questions never
Rooks is a cop! :O
Riot!


Couldn't help post this gif.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-11 14:26:20
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its a real shame they had to be idiots about this, because i can get behind some of their demands, but they lump ***in there that is completely unrelated or unrealistic.

Like for example: these are realistic demands for the most part

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We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.

I absolutely agree. Youth prisons are an atrocity; however i believe greater focus should be on parenting rather than just pretending the youth prisons exist for no reason

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We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.

I agree - there should absolutely be an external avenue of seeking justice against the apparatus of the state via the federal government.

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We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.

Again, i completely agree. public servants should not have privacy in the dispensation of their duty.

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We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.

Again, i agree- because pot law has been bogus since its inception. its basically prohibition 2.0, and it was flawed from its inception

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We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.

Absolutely. you cannot resist arrest if you were never charged or placed under arrest. its a bogus way cops have tried in the past to arrest people. they'll try to cuff them, and when the person demands they know why, and the cop doesnt present a reason, they resist that illegal arrest, and use that resistance as basis for arrest.

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We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.

again- i agree. for profits and youth prisons are heinous.

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We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.

I agree with the camera footage being freely accesible (not the abolition part). it should be a matter of public record- and anyone should be able to access that footage provided that footage does not go into a private residence. footage inside of a private residence should only be acessible in the event that the home owner allows it.

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We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

this should absoultely be a thing. these officers however, need to be armed, and empowered to use lethal force if this Mentally ill person presents a direct and present harm to another individual, including the officer.
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