Let's Start A Riot?!?!

Ahh civil war insanity.

The Civil War was most certainly fought over economics, most of the southern economies were based heavily on cheap / free slave labor. The northern states had industrialization and manufacturing, something slave labor wasn't suited for. Abolishing slavery would of have a minimal direct economic impact on the north but would of absolutely ruined the southern economies, and it did after the war. With the election of President Lincoln and Congress looking very much pro-emancipation, the southern states felt they had no choice but to succeeded or risk having their economies crash.

This isn't defending the south, merely pointing out how they viewed things at that time. The USA didn't have a civil war over slavery, it had one over economics with slavery being a prime component of those economics. President Lincoln even stated that if keeping slavery would avoid a Civil War he would accept that. After the war began there wasn't much support for the "keeping slavery" folks as they had gone to the Confederacy. That is when the whole "it's about freeing the slaves" started to be a thing.

I don't think it is missing the point, and I don't think it's about moral superiority. I think people who don't have their house in order should be very careful before they try to change the world. It's a major issue (for the black community more than anyone) and walking around it to look in dark corners for phantoms isn't helping the community in the slightest.

Where are the successful black multi millionaire musicians, sports stars, actors, politicians and broadcasters? They should be speaking out and telling people that the only time they had a problem with the system is when they engaged in violent culture and illegal activity (if they did at all). They should be explaining that they live in a country where anyone can make it if they work hard and look for the opportunities instead of looking for an oppressor to blame for your current situation.

There are theories that the cotton gin would have made slavery obsolete and no longer cost effective within a few years of it being invented.

Not condoning slavery at all, but people do think it was about to become obsolete sooner than later regardless of the civil war.

But Saevel, The economics were tied up with slavery. They could not be separated.

Otherwise dead on.

I'm no more "right-wing" than you are leftist, as I was scolded for saying earlier. If you guys don't want to be incorrectly labeled, don't do it yourselves. I'm simply saying, you don't live here, you don't know what you are talking about, stay in your lane.



Again, stop with your ethnocentric statements. I can see the new-almost-able-to-have-a-discussion-with Kreek is oozing away for the old a~hole DirectX again. There is no such thing as "reverse racism," it's all just racism. All races can be racist. Reverse racism is a BS buzzword created by people too scared to just call a spade a spade, unless they are white, of course. "Black people" (I really wish we could stop talking with the titles honestly, it's making me very uncomfortable although I guess it cannot be helped in this topic) have many other issues in their communities, such as absentee fathers, that even moderate blacks bring up time and again, but those "this is for you to fix" things are always for whatever reason dismissed by "people left of center."



That's the thing, this constant form of rhetoric basically assumes ONLY "black people" are impoverished. Far, far more "white people" live below the poverty line than non-whites, yet, they can't blame systemic racism. So, why are they poor? Maybe it's just because in every industrialized society in existence, the majority are middle of the road to poor. Maybe that reason has less to do with "the system" and more to do with choices.

Bottom line, this is how I see the basic fundamental differences between how you (and those like you) think and how I (and those like me) think. Those "left of center" tend to see people's circumstances are what shape their opinions and actions. Those "right of center" see people's circumstances more so shaped by people's choices and actions. There is a plethora of evidence to support both and we can bash each other over the head with it all day and get nowhere, because neither are wrong. THAT is crux of our political system in America and why there is the never ending argument, because neither side can be hard-stamped labeled as wrong.

Several slave states had gradual emancipation laws on their books. They took the form of: any persons born to slaves after X date shall be free. IIRC, X date ranged from 1880 to 1900.

Yeah after the boyfriend, who the police tried to charge with attempted murder, shot at the "intruders", the Police started firing blinding into the house. They were shooting through the windows with blinds on them, zero chance of seeing their target. The lady was in the hallway when she got hit with multiple rounds and died, the boyfriend was crouched down behind the sofa or something so was unharmed.

Here is where we know the Police *** up and later lied about announcing themselves, the boyfriend put down his weapon and surrendered once he knew it was the Police. If the Police had announced themselves he wouldn't of though he as being robed and wouldn't of shot at the "intruders".

This goes back to what I mentioned a few pages ago about Police Officers being trained to view every civilian as a violent heavily armed gang member / enemy combatant. With that mentality, they most certainly would never announce themselves upon entering the enemies home. I mean if you think your going into an enemy stronghold loaded with heavily armed soldiers, do you walk up and loudly announce yourselves? Of course not, that'll get you killed. No instead you prepare as quietly as you can, then you suddenly kick in the door and hope the shock gives you the advantage to kill as many of the civilians enemy combatants as possible.

Police Officers are just poorly trained paramilitary and they seriously need to stop being that. Leave military operations to the highly trained professionals. To properly train one infantry soldier at the lowest rank it takes a couple hundred thousand USD. Now lets factor in all the combat exercises they do every year and the price goes even higher. Over time that soldier will receive additional advantaged training like Ranger / Airborne / Air-assault / Sappers and so forth, that training easily costs over a million per successful graduate.

Police are trying to play like their airborne rangers fighting the drug militia while doing a very bad job of it.

Show me on the map where the massive protests/riots happened!

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I agree with you wholly, and I was in no way offering excuses or justification, merely calling out a claim that used cherry-picked data that in no way illustrates reality in any meaningful context outside of attempting to poison the blade. And yes, our education system is terrible, but that's from lowering the bar to "leave no-one behind". That doesn't mean that the quality of education at school A under the BART tracks in Oakland is equivalent to school B in the Hamptons, though.

Oh I agree, it was going to happen sooner rather then later, but that's us doing Monday morning quarterbacking. At that time, under those circumstances, with those people, cheap labor was the driving force behind their economies and they would do anything to protect those.


Yes the writing was on the wall, slavery was going to be abolished eventually. Morally it was repugnant with more pushing for it's abolishment every year.

It's a good case study to the lengths people will go to in an attempt to avoid very hard decisions. When the entire basis of an economy looks to be at risk, you need to start thinking of alternatives to that thing. Similarly you don't deliberately threaten the basis of someone's economy and then wonder why there was a disproportional response.

Ex: You don't announced the intention to kill Coal and Gas and then wonder why states with Coal and Gas economies vote for the guy promising to defend them.

DiectX to be honest, I honestly don't care what you have to say. I have not targeted you in any way, we actually had some meaningful back and forth a few pages ago, even though I knew who "Kreek" was and I know you have a history on these forums of not only being an a~hole, but intentionally and loving it, then getting mad and saying how much "intellectually superior" you are to anyone who counters your statements.

Fact is, we don't agree on this topic. You feel this is all racism, I live here, I see differently. Yes racism IS a factor to some extent, but TOO MANY dismiss every other factor because it's just easier to scream racism. And all I am saying there are people smarter than you or I about America's political and economic situation who have convinced me over the years of this, I didn't just come up with it on my own watching Fox News and reading Breitbart. All news sources right now are complete sh!t, IMO.

As far as your guns argument, I don't care enough to argue anymore. I don't really have a dog in that race due to the fact I not only don't own guns, I don't even like them. I was simply giving the point of view of those who feel if you take guns from those who'd never even consider using them in an illegal way, then the only ones with them are the ones who intend to use them in an illegal way. You've yet to acknowledge that is a fair concern, so we are done here.

We've talked about personal attacks before, man.

So here's the obligatory every-tenth-page "calm the *** down" post where I point out that people can't stop being *** even when I'm present and visible.

So, it's all topicbans from here on out, shoot first, ask questions never

Yeah, lol. When you toss in ethnocentric commentary and comments like "ivory towers" you can't see how that may be a roadblock to someone wanting to read anything you further have to say? As soon as my eyes start rolling yeah, I'll admit, I move onto the next paragraph.



Not once maybe THIS particular thread, I'd have to look. I was referencing "old DirectX." I've seen you go after the intellect of your arguing opponent FIRST on numerous occasions, that is to what I was referencing. Sorry if that was unclear. And don't call me a liar, I'm not lying, people tend to only lie to those they fear or care about their opinions, you are neither to me.





Again, I do not feel it will work in the US. Maybe it will, as I said before, I never thought I'd see the cuck beta level I saw the other day with the theater of white people washing black people's feet in a bucket, as if that proves anything other than they are morons, so who knows. I guess we never know til we try, but I sure don't want to be here if it goes poorly. You will literally see death tolls the likes of the first Civil War. I'm not even scratching conservative or even Libertarian to many, many people in this country. That protester who they captured screaming they were going to take the protests to rural America (or something like that) doesn't realize these people don't just have pistols and assault rifles, they've got guns that can literally stop a tank in it's tracks and they've been waiting since 8th grade to use them on something other than trees.

I apologize for getting worked up, I just really wish the ethnocentric statements about the country I live in by those who don't even live here would stop. Otherwise, it is what it is, people get upset about these topics.

Rooks is a cop! :O

See, we're already back on topic

Riot!