Let's Start A Riot?!?!

Awwwwwwwwww. Good thing this didn't happen today or yesterday.

Really? You don't think Dr. King would be standing up against the police murdering black people and hiding behind their blue wall for the last century? Pretty sure he would be marching out there with the millions of other peaceful protesters calling for reforms.

I didn’t mean just this one thing specifically. I also think he would have stood with the protestors, though I think he would have been much more proactive than just sitting on the powder keg and waiting for something like this to happen.

Thanks for proving my point Vic.

Sad part is, you will never realize it.

Lol, maybe next time KN will pick a better hill to die on rather than try to defend an opinion show on Fox News. But I doubt it.

See the problem with this is, you assume he would be standing with people of the same skin colour. MLK was about character, not colour. Don't get it twisted.

Lookout! HE MENTIONED FOX NEWS! THOSE EVIL PEOPLE! Stop defending them KN! STAHP!

When did you start to defend them in this discussion anyways??

He would have also tried to mediate and defuse the situation instead of letting it go out of control.

In other words, his message would have been irrelevant and, if he was alive and trying to portray a message in today's political climate, you would have never heard from him, ever.

I haven't. But like I said before:


Which fits Vic to a T.

Gotta love the people assuming they know about MLK while forgetting he had police dogs sicced on him, fire hoses turned against him, and eventually assassinated because of his beliefs in civil rights.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

lol, Hideka posted a Fox News interview that I quickly called out as lacking credibility, and KN has ever since been trying to attack me. Hasn't worked. Its been a good laugh tho.

Oh don't worry, I didn't get it twisted. There is no way MLK would not have been standing with George Floyd's family and the subsequent message.

We all have rose-colored glasses for Dr. King. He’s like Lincoln. People fit him into their world view and assume he’d be on their side. That’s why I specifically mentioned his Dream speech, because it’s way easier to compare the content of one speech to what’s going on in the modern day than trying to guess what MLK would or wouldn’t do if he were still around. He was a great man, but he was still a man, and his positions evolved with time.

Would that be because he's black or because he had good character?

https://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2015/0708/The-famous-1861-Cornerstone-Speech-that-aimed-for-hard-truths-about-the-Confederate-battle-flag

It would have been because a police officer knelt on his neck for 9 minutes and killed him while he cried out for help.

The entire situation happened because all 5 of them have/had poor character and little to no sense of personal responsibility. It's nothing to do with systemic oppression by the white man. How many well off successful, law abiding black men or women are killed by police every year?

13% of the population, 50% of murders and 50% of murderers, no protests.
Was it the police who killed Tupac or Biggy?

But yeah, black lives matter, when it's politically convenient.

I don't think it's relevant who those people are. Things have been stacking over time for a while now. With Covid-19 turning everyone into coach activist because they don't have anything to do, dropping businesses like flies, angering a lot of people. They need to vent. A single spark starts a wildfire.

I doubt half of these would care enough about BLM normally, they just don't have anything else to do but start a riot.

*** off with this "personal responsibility" ***. You believe whatever criminal history they have warrant their execution?

Was a woman sleeping in her own goddamn bed at fault somehow when police broke into their home and shot her 8 times?

this could probably be its own thread ~

Mar. 1861 we have the Corwin Amendment proposal - basically Congress couldn't interfere with any state, allowing the states to self govern ~ could see this as allowing the states to keep slaves ~ Lincoln didn't oppose it

in July 1861 we get the he Crittenden–Johnson Resolution (not to be confused with the compromise) ~ The resolution said the war was being fought not for "overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those states," but to "defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and to preserve the Union." The war, it further stated, would end when the seceding states returned to the Union.

Prior to the war the south was heavily dependent on goods manufactured from the north, likewise the north was heavily dependent on the cash crops of the south. When the 1828 tariff was raised the south started to opened free trade ports that could've jeopardized the north's economy

If the war was being fought over slavery then it would've been addressed as to the reason the union was going to war. One would think there would've been some proposal to end slavery before war was the option

~imo from what I learned/researched etc, the war was primarily about state rights and economics, not slavery

/civilwarrant

back to the riots protests~

what's going on in Seattle looks kinda wild
https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-chaz/

You are starting way too far ahead in the timeline. I'll address this more later, I'm cooking dinner atm. But if you want to talk about the origins of the Civil War, you can't start that far into 1861. You really can't even start in 1861. I'll cut it short, but Lincoln was elected in Nov 1860. In December 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union because an abolitionist had just been elected President. Before he even took office in March of 1861, 7 states had seceded because they perceived the election of Lincoln to be a hostile act to the existence of slavery.

Even though those statistics may well be correct, it is completely missing the point and utterly counterproductive. It's equivalent to saying someone who murders 2 people is morally superior to someone who murders 10. Lumping groups of people in to statistical boxes based on provenance of birth would be, in my opinion the singular problem we have as a people (world-wide), be it abject <enter -ism here> or identity politics. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the highest violent crime rates would be in locations with the greatest concentration of poor and under-educated? This just so happens to correlate nicely with the ethnic breakdown of these regions. I'm certain if the color swath was inverted, the statistics would be, too. I can only speak for myself here, but the main reason, morality notwithstanding, I have never robbed a bank is because I can afford not to.

People aren't a monolith, and statistics are meaningless without context. Sick to death of everyone throwing out pointless statistics to justify their opinions. The topic at hand is whether a system is failing the Black community, or at least portions thereof, not which skin color kills more people of what skin color per capita, and people would do well to avoid falling in to the what-about-ism traps. This system is very likely good and works as intended for the vast majority of people of all ilks, but the statistics are no consolation to the people the system fails.

Just end this.

I don't trust Fox News anymore than I trust CNN....basically everyone else. They all have bits of truth woven into a fabric of an agenda. But since you and those like you ONLY attack the ONE network that is not left-leaning, it obliterates any credibility your statements may have in the realm of being objective. Just once admit none of the networks are consistently telling the whole story (for a reason).

No, I believe if you drive down a road at twice the speed limit you'll eventually hit a bollard and crash. That doesn't make the bollard or motoring, racist.


Boys and Girls, meet Straw Man.
No she wasn't and what is your point? How are these 2 things related and why is it relevant? I said the 5 people involved lacked responsibility. Nothing about anyone else.

They shot an innocent sleeping woman on purpose? That sounds suspiciously like ***. Did they go in with the intention of putting 8 bullets into her? Was she in bed? How did they know it was her if she was in bed? What reason did they give?

And I counter with Malcolm X, someone more in line with your radical ideology than Dr. King:

"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man." ~ Malcolm X

https://tylerpaper.com/opinion/columnists/a-largely-ignored-basic-teaching-of-malcolm-x/article_e68d04ec-0df7-11e9-a563-f351b9c6856e.html

Umm, this really is no excuse. So.... Yea. I'm relatively poor, grew in poor areas, single parent all the good ***. Can I blame those circumstances if I choose to be a turd? No, no I can't. Tired of this, people of color should be also.

Being raised to believe you are a victim of other people, taking no personal responsibility, generationally speaking. It's a giant *** excuse.

Not to mention that everyone who has been 'educated' in the U.S. in the last 20-30 years are pretty much on equal footing. Our educational system is ***across the board.

we should have a separate thread about it ~ lot of history to go through and learn from :)

Long story short on this, this poor girl basically had terrible judgment in boyfriends. (Not saying she deserved to die for this before the zealots get it twisted).

Apparently, her former boyfriend was a known drug dealer. The police had been monitoring not only her apartment (because of the former boyfriend) but his new place as well. They'd seen her car at his new place on numerous occasions and they had evidence that he'd been coming to her apt. to pick up packages sent there which they somehow discovered were drug deliveries. Now it appears that her current boyfriend was also in the drug sales scene, so they linked the packages and two dealers to her apartment.

They served a "No Knock" warrant by busting in her door at like 3 am. Her current boyfriend claims he and her called out a couple times, "Who's there?" and nobody responded. They then saw people coming in with guns, so he retrieved his gun (which he had a permit for) and started firing, thinking they were thieves (or most likely) drug business associates. The police returned fire naturally, somehow hitting the poor girl 8 times and of course, the boyfriend was basically somehow unharmed.

So yeah, that poor girl got accidentally executed for having bad taste in men and wrong place/wrong time. I also feel this should make them do some serious thought on ending the practice of No Knock warrants.