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By volkom 2020-06-10 01:47:20
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-10 01:50:06
and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.why would you do something like that if you were a racebaiter?
Because it’s evidence for the pending trial. If it exonerates the officers it exonerates them. Hey has a duty to not taint the potential jury pool by prematurely releasing evidence to public.
oh my sweet summer child.
Keith ellison is one of the most heinous individuals in the country when it comes to race baiting. he walks around with a picture of al sharpton over his heart. if you think he is witholding this for anything but nefarious reasons, you are fooling yourself. It has more to do with having the charges stick than it does about race baiting.
If withholding evidence from public view ensures a trial that guarantees to convict these 4 officers, vs. releasing evidence prior to the trial and allows those 4 officers to get away scot free due to a technicality, I think it's best to withhold evidence...
Doesn't matter, the defense attorney gets all of it anyway. Not only is it hilariously illegal to withhold evidence, it's a super easy way to get the whole conviction thrown out on appeal.
Now if it's evidence that nobody knows about, well they might just pretend they've never seen it. Unfortunately the fact that we're talking about it means it's not only exists, but there is exactly zero chance of making it "disappear".
oh thats not what i was saying at all; im not saying hes going to not give the evidence to the defense; my concern is that its not been publicly released, and what has been released, has been heavily edited and redacted.
By Prong 2020-06-10 01:51:32
Not sure what you're referring to there with Marxism, etc. I am just interested in the historical part I quoted. I think the interesting part beyond the history is this bit;
Quote: The constabulary would win public favor “not by pandering to public opinion; but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law,” and applying the law equally to anyone “without regard to their wealth or social standing,” according to Rowan and Mayne. Force would be used only when persuasion fails, and only to the minimum extent necessary.
The communism/Marxism part of my quote was referencing the author of your quote's intent. He is basically saying, "This is what the police were MEANT to be." Many things start out with certain intentions but over time due to well, life, they change. Was my point.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-10 01:51:49
Well uh, she was asked for actual evidence and she declined to provide it because it was "too embarrassing?" Does that really fly for you?
Her son did, but that was dismissed as well.
We are told we are not to judge how women process abuse...by the left. We are told it shouldn't matter if the allegations are from an event that happened years ago and went unreported *cough*Ford*cough*
But if someone with a (D) is accused of it, liberals will not only find any way to dismiss the claims, but then often degrade the accuser.
If you have not recognized this pattern, you aren't paying attention, most likely willfully. Monica Lewinsky ring any bells for people who can't recognize this pattern?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-10 01:53:57
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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its the cult of intersectionality. its just an amorphous blob now that has eaten all left leaning ideologies.
By Prong 2020-06-10 01:57:51
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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That is what it has become, mostly due to social media, IMO. The "left" in America used to be basically Libertarians, with the addition of an odd affection for big government. I was considered quite liberal in my youth (still am in my family) because being a liberal used to mean, "live and let live." Don't bother anyone, you do you, I'll do me, try to see the best in everything, love, light, knowledge, science....etc.
Now the left is angst, hate, division, stereotyping, gender denying, against free speech (unless they agree with it) and worst of all, the cancel culture. It's almost as if most liberals these days under 30 years old have absolutely no clue what a liberal was in even the early to mid 80's, let alone the '70s or '60s. Young liberals today are the Reagan Republicans of the 80s.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-10 02:02:47
and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.why would you do something like that if you were a racebaiter?
Because it’s evidence for the pending trial. If it exonerates the officers it exonerates them. Hey has a duty to not taint the potential jury pool by prematurely releasing evidence to public.
oh my sweet summer child.
Keith ellison is one of the most heinous individuals in the country when it comes to race baiting. he walks around with a picture of al sharpton over his heart. if you think he is witholding this for anything but nefarious reasons, you are fooling yourself. It has more to do with having the charges stick than it does about race baiting.
If withholding evidence from public view ensures a trial that guarantees to convict these 4 officers, vs. releasing evidence prior to the trial and allows those 4 officers to get away scot free due to a technicality, I think it's best to withhold evidence...
Doesn't matter, the defense attorney gets all of it anyway. Not only is it hilariously illegal to withhold evidence, it's a super easy way to get the whole conviction thrown out on appeal.
Now if it's evidence that nobody knows about, well they might just pretend they've never seen it. Unfortunately the fact that we're talking about it means it's not only exists, but there is exactly zero chance of making it "disappear".
oh thats not what i was saying at all; im not saying hes going to not give the evidence to the defense; my concern is that its not been publicly released, and what has been released, has been heavily edited and redacted.
Giving it to the defense attorney is the same as public release in the same way anything given to house Democrats is for public release.
Single anonymous email and viola it's uploaded on youtube and bitchute.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-10 02:04:48
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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That is what it has become, mostly due to social media, IMO. The "left" in America used to be basically Libertarians, with the addition of an odd affection for big government. I was considered quite liberal in my youth (still am in my family) because being a liberal used to mean, "live and let live." Don't bother anyone, you do you, I'll do me, try to see the best in everything, love, light, knowledge, science....etc.
Now the left is angst, hate, division, stereotyping, gender denying, against free speech (unless they agree with it) and worst of all, the cancel culture. It's almost as if most liberals these days under 30 years old have absolutely no clue what a liberal was in even the early to mid 80's, let alone the '70s or '60s. Young liberals today are the Reagan Republicans of the 80s.
That's the same way I was. For years I considered myself "liberal" until I looked around one day and saw all those around me chanting hate slogans and casually talking about disposing of the US Constitution altogether in favor of something more "enlightened". I tried to argue against that and then I'm called all sorts of names and labels. Just for disagreeing.
By Viciouss 2020-06-10 02:10:17
lol well you guys certainly went off the rails in a hurry.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-10 02:11:42
If I had a gil for every "the left"
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-10 02:20:38
If I had a gil for every "the left" you probably sold it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-10 02:21:27
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-10 03:16:59
Mike O’Meara made me want to start a riot, my god the lack of self awareness and victim hood projected by the head of the nypd union.
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/gzvmsr
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-10 03:31:15
When he was up there bitching, I laughed so hard when he said
Quote: Accuses Media of Treating Officers Like 'Animals and Thugs'
Like gee, the shoe is on the other table, which has turned
That was the worst guy, with the dumbest ***he could've possibly came up there to say. Not a good look.
Quote: He looks like someone who doesn't have the temperament for police work. This is EXACTLY the problem.
By Prong 2020-06-10 04:40:05
If I had a gil for every "the left"
I could just say "the self-righteous, bloviated jerks" but, "the left" seems more charming and much easier to type.
By Prong 2020-06-10 04:45:21
lol well you guys certainly went on the rails in a hurry.
Well, the speed at which social media has allowed people with insane ideologies to connect with one another and form cult-like followings has forced people (such as myself) to wake up to logic much faster than in the past.
Before it would take literally decades for cultural paradigms and mores to shift, now it takes the opinion of one person on a five minute video to pass around the world overnight. Then, every like minded lemming who wants to see truth in the statement because it agrees with their mental imagery latches onto it, adds their own version of it and it spreads like locust.
By Prong 2020-06-10 04:46:59
Mike O’Meara made me want to start a riot, my god the lack of self awareness and victim hood projected by the head of the nypd union.
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/gzvmsr
The irony of this is, unions are the prize pony of "the self-righteous, bloviated jerks."
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By Draylo 2020-06-10 09:50:27
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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That is what it has become, mostly due to social media, IMO. The "left" in America used to be basically Libertarians, with the addition of an odd affection for big government. I was considered quite liberal in my youth (still am in my family) because being a liberal used to mean, "live and let live." Don't bother anyone, you do you, I'll do me, try to see the best in everything, love, light, knowledge, science....etc.
Now the left is angst, hate, division, stereotyping, gender denying, against free speech (unless they agree with it) and worst of all, the cancel culture. It's almost as if most liberals these days under 30 years old have absolutely no clue what a liberal was in even the early to mid 80's, let alone the '70s or '60s. Young liberals today are the Reagan Republicans of the 80s.
That's the same way I was. For years I considered myself "liberal" until I looked around one day and saw all those around me chanting hate slogans and casually talking about disposing of the US Constitution altogether in favor of something more "enlightened". I tried to argue against that and then I'm called all sorts of names and labels. Just for disagreeing.
So weird because I was the same until this incident and that's what happened to me.
By Prong 2020-06-10 10:06:16
UK 1.2 murders per 100,000 population per year
USA 4.96 murders per 100,000 population per year
We have less cops on the street, they practically never have firearms, citizens are not allowed firearms, etc.
The issue here is, it's too late. Disarming police is no longer an option as guns are already inundated into the criminal underbelly of America so here, HERE, the 'ol redneck rallying cry of, "Take guns from law abiding citizens, then only criminals will have the guns" is quite accurate.
Now if the entire world was somehow able to confiscate every gun from every single citizen, militant and military, melt them all down or turn them to Nerf....THEN, remove every book ever in print about how to make guns or gunpowder...THEN find a way to enter the mind of every human on Earth and remove the cognitive ability of creativity so nobody in the future could ever invent gun powder/guns....then I am all for abolishing all forms of guns. They have done this in Australia and New Zealand, and in some Eastern European and Baltic countries.
Even Americans have no faith that America can become civilised.
You cannot compare an extremely large, extremely diverse country to others when saying, "Well x, y, z does this...why can't you?" The US's makeup is like no other country in the world.
Our country began having to use weapons to even survive against the tyranny of *cough* Britain *cough*. So, we had a start that was different than most and we are a very young country compared to most, so our beginnings lie during a time where firearms were prevalent.
I'm not a gun owner nor a fan of them, but you simply cannot get them away from criminals. If you outlaw guns here, make a law to confiscate guns, the ONLY people who will comply are the law abiding citizens who would have never used a gun in the first place for a criminal act. That's the part people can't seem to wrap their head around. Criminals will literally be the only ones with the guns. And if you are implying American's have no faith in one another....um, yeah? I have no faith in strangers of any country when it comes to my safety and that of my family. Criminals here don't give a *** about your life or mine.
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By Prong 2020-06-10 10:41:03
Australia and New Zealand were also ours and are much newer than the USA so those are poor arguments.
The only problem with America doing the same is the poverty and racism.
What does racism have to do with guns?
Also, can you cut back on the ethnocentric bigotry? I'm not sure why, but for some reason anyone from another country on these forums can just make bigoted statements about America but if an American dare say something similar about another country, they are chastised for it.
Also, Australia and New Zealand don't come even close to the population of the US.
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By Asura.Suteru 2020-06-10 10:45:38
America's racist as ***. It's built on it. So are other countries.
By Prong 2020-06-10 10:46:48
America's racist as ***. It's built on it. So are other countries.
Again, what does racism have to do with guns, which is what the discussion was.
Also, one of the many perks of being an American citizen is, our government doesn't stop anyone from relocating. As do other countries.
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By Asura.Suteru 2020-06-10 10:49:07
America's racist as ***. It's built on it. So are other countries.
Again, what does racism have to do with guns, which is what the discussion was.
Also, one of the many perks of being an American citizen is, our government doesn't stop anyone from relocating. As do other countries.
https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
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By Asura.Suteru 2020-06-10 10:49:44
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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lol if you think this is "the left"
By Prong 2020-06-10 10:54:03
Here, when you get the time, watch these two videos by renowned economist and author, Thomas Sowell. He uses facts and logic to debunk many American assumptions about topics from systemic racism to gender wage gap, etc. He can explain things much better than I.
Whether your ideology makes you resist his facts or not, it's still an interesting listen.
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO5K1-X6w9E&feature=emb_logo
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5daNMXer2UQ&feature=emb_logo
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By Prong 2020-06-10 10:55:17
don't think this was posted, but i'm now 85% convinced the left is a cult
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lol if you think this is "the left"
That video is literally of liberals....so...
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By Asura.Suteru 2020-06-10 10:56:25
So you're just ignoring the fact that it was ingrained into our life until fairly recently? Like Redlining didn't exist? How is that not systemic?
By Prong 2020-06-10 10:57:31
And they should have been disarmed, as an organization. As should have the Klan. They are mirrored groups.
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So yea been out of the loop, has the rebellion began?
Is sublime gonna make a 2020 edition? What cities are popping off? What was the "last straw"?
Stay tuned for more excitement in 2020....
Edit: diverting the latest corona shenanigans from random thoughts.
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