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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 19:36:18
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Viciouss said: »
Lets back up then.

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and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.

So what?

the question being - Why not release it?

As others pointed out their belief was that 'because jury tainting'. any prosecution or defense attorney will tell you thats flat out wrong in this case, since the degree of critical evidence that is already in the public domain, and how wide spread it is. we specifically have protocols for jury selection when this happens because its impossible to find a juror who hasnt been exposed.

This leaves the only logical explination as "because it doesnt fit keith ellisons narrative". the same keith ellison that openly praises antifa,



and actively participates in racebaiting.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 19:38:20
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lets not forget this is the same keith ellison that is trying to overcharge four police officers, with charges that will never stick for 99% of the charges.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-09 19:41:03
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lets not forget this is the same keith ellison that is trying to overcharge four police officers, with charges that will never stick for 99% of the charges.
He increased the charges to 2nd degree, up from 3rd degree, right?
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-09 19:42:05
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Wow man you really don’t know how anything works in the legal system.

Any defense attorney that honestly believed what you do would be like “yes please, suppress exculpatory evidence. Easiest mistrial ever.”

Wake the *** up.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-09 19:42:06
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
lets not forget this is the same keith ellison that is trying to overcharge four police officers, with charges that will never stick for 99% of the charges.
He increased the charges to 2nd degree, up from 3rd degree, right?

Yes.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-09 19:46:09
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
Viciouss said: »
Lets back up then.

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and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.

So what?

the question being - Why not release it?

As others pointed out their belief was that 'because jury tainting'. any prosecution or defense attorney will tell you thats flat out wrong in this case, since the degree of critical evidence that is already in the public domain, and how wide spread it is. we specifically have protocols for jury selection when this happens because its impossible to find a juror who hasnt been exposed.

This leaves the only logical explination as "because it doesnt fit keith ellisons narrative". the same keith ellison that openly praises antifa,

"The only logical explanation?" More like your own personal conspiracy theory. We get it, you don't like Ellison.

I just did a basic google on your allegation that he is refusing to release bodycam footage and turned up nothing so, are we even sure this is legit? And not some bogus crusade against Keith Ellison thats going nowhere regardless?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 19:51:43
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Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
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lets not forget this is the same keith ellison that is trying to overcharge four police officers, with charges that will never stick for 99% of the charges.
He increased the charges to 2nd degree, up from 3rd degree, right?

correct; however hes also charging the others with accessory to second degree murder which will literally be impossible to stick.

if he went for involuntary manslaughter hed have about a 75% chance of winning that case, but he went for *** broke here and went for murder2, which any third rate attorney is going to get thrown out of court in this case given three immediate facts

1. The law specifically states that the hold employed against floyd is acceptable and legal under their states laws, and he was a SENIOR FIELD TRAINING OFFICER OF 19 YEARS.
2. That george floyd had a lethal amount of fentanyl and meth in his system at the time of arrest, which the lead cause of death in fentanyl overdose is cardiac arrest
3. His autopsy done by the state found ZERO evidence of neck trauma, or evidence of asphyxiation, but did find he died of cardiac arrest, had significant heart issues, and sickle cell

Combine those three and any attorney worth their salt is going to get the average person believing there was a possiblity that he died from complications beyond the officers control.

he could pretty reasonably land at least chauvin or however its spelled for manslaughter- but the other charges are a pipe dream.
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By Asura.Gnawclaw 2020-06-09 19:55:11
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Viciouss said: »
Cerberus.Hideka said: »
Viciouss said: »
Lets back up then.

Cerberus.Hideka said: »
and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.

So what?

the question being - Why not release it?

As others pointed out their belief was that 'because jury tainting'. any prosecution or defense attorney will tell you thats flat out wrong in this case, since the degree of critical evidence that is already in the public domain, and how wide spread it is. we specifically have protocols for jury selection when this happens because its impossible to find a juror who hasnt been exposed.

This leaves the only logical explination as "because it doesnt fit keith ellisons narrative". the same keith ellison that openly praises antifa,

"The only logical explanation?" More like your own personal conspiracy theory. We get it, you don't like Ellison.

I just did a basic google on your allegation that he is refusing to release bodycam footage and turned up nothing so, are we even sure this is legit? And not some bogus crusade against Keith Ellison thats going nowhere regardless?

I believe the Washington Post had a video asking him about it a few days prior. There's a way more credible source, a reddit post from KotakuInAction Part DEUX, about a tweet from a guy who said a thing.

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Shocking! Dig more digging and that book trump was holding was actually the antifa book. You just needed the right pair of shades to see through the liesssss man. Aliens maaaaan.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 19:56:40
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Shiva.Zerowone said: »
Wow man you really don’t know how anything works in the legal system.

Any defense attorney that honestly believed what you do would be like “yes please, suppress exculpatory evidence. Easiest mistrial ever.”

Wake the *** up.


you're misreading my statement; Withholding from the public is not the same as withholding from the prosecution.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-09 20:22:55
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Viciouss said: »
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
Cerberus.Hideka said: »
lets not forget this is the same keith ellison that is trying to overcharge four police officers, with charges that will never stick for 99% of the charges.
He increased the charges to 2nd degree, up from 3rd degree, right?

Yes.
I don't think that would not be a smart play unless he has more evidence. And I think if he had new better evidence to support that charge, we would know about it. At the very least the defense would have to.

/shrug

Hope you are doing well during the stuff Vic.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-09 20:23:07
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
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Wow man you really don’t know how anything works in the legal system.

Any defense attorney that honestly believed what you do would be like “yes please, suppress exculpatory evidence. Easiest mistrial ever.”

Wake the *** up.


you're misreading my statement; Withholding from the public is not the same as withholding from the prosecution.

You’ve posted this twice now. Both times you said prosecution... you’re misattributing what is considered withholding the exculpatory evidence from the defense. You know in other words evidence of innocence.

Appeasing the court of public opinion is not the burden of a state attorney general no matter how much you want it to be.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-09 20:24:48
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Asura.Gnawclaw said: »
KotakuInAction Part DEUX, about a tweet from a guy who said a thing.
Yeah apparently Paul Sperry tweets with no correlating links of evidence are taken as gospel to some.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-09 20:26:23
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
Shiva.Zerowone said: »
Wow man you really don’t know how anything works in the legal system.

Any defense attorney that honestly believed what you do would be like “yes please, suppress exculpatory evidence. Easiest mistrial ever.”

Wake the *** up.


you're misreading my statement; Withholding from the public is not the same as withholding from the prosecution.
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By Asura.Gnawclaw 2020-06-09 20:27:14
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Shiva.Zerowone said: »
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KotakuInAction Part DEUX, about a tweet from a guy who said a thing.
Yeah apparently Keith sperry tweets with no correlating links of evidence are taken as gospel to some.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount of 'Keith's in my google search history now.
Edit: You edited that and now I look like a crazy person. THANKS!
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-09 20:28:47
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Asura.Gnawclaw said: »
Shiva.Zerowone said: »
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KotakuInAction Part DEUX, about a tweet from a guy who said a thing.
Yeah apparently Keith sperry tweets with no correlating links of evidence are taken as gospel to some.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount of 'Keith's in my google search history now.

Well I meant Paul Sperry and edited it to correction.

But if you got Kool Keith in that search history, ain’t nothin wrong with that.
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By Asura.Gnawclaw 2020-06-09 20:32:09
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Shiva.Zerowone said: »
Asura.Gnawclaw said: »
Shiva.Zerowone said: »
Asura.Gnawclaw said: »
KotakuInAction Part DEUX, about a tweet from a guy who said a thing.
Yeah apparently Keith sperry tweets with no correlating links of evidence are taken as gospel to some.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount of 'Keith's in my google search history now.

Well I meant Paul Sperry and edited it to correction.

But if you got Kool Keith in that search history, ain’t nothin wrong with that.

Order of Events:

Keith Ellison
Keith Sperry
Keith's Perry
Keith Perry
Florida

This timeline sucks.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-09 20:36:41
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Also, not releasing evidence to the public is not the same as withholding evidence from the defense team, probably shouldn't use the term "withholding" at all in this case. Just trying to take a cheap shot at Ellison it seems like, he isn't doing anything wrong.
Personally, I don't GAF who Keith Ellison is, or his political biases are, since he doesn't affect me or my area at all. As long as he does his job and prosecutes (or have somebody competent do it) and convicts these cops, that's all that matters to me.

And yes, I do know who Keith Ellison is.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 21:11:43
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kreek said: »
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sickle cell
I'm no medical doctor, but I cannot fathom the relevance of this to having a heart attack. He carried the trait, but did not suffer from sickle cell anemia. It just seems like a factor that is added to a list on alt right websites because they know the people reading it will be too stupid to understand it is irrelevant.


last i checked Sicklecell is a considerable risk factor for cardiac arrest - and i could be mistaken, but it was specifically listed as a complicating factor on his autopsy report.

oh and it came off of NPR. forgot they were champions of the alt-right.

*** off with that ***lol.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 21:27:45
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https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

Quote:
Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
for anyone who actualy wants to be bothered with reading the autopsy.

The fatal average dosage of fentanyl is 9.5ng/ml. Floyd had nearly double that amount in his system at 16.6 ng/ml.

Couple that with the 19 ng/ml of Meth in his system, of which i believe can be toxic/fatal at over 10.

Now heres the neck autopsy (no damage to the neck at all):

Quote:
NECK: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of
the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within
the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are
intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is
symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The
tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries.
The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of
hemorrhage.

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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:31:45
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Keith Ellison shouldn't even be employed.

Everyone seems to forget this is the clown that abused his white ex girlfriend physically on multiple occasions, her son releasing the texts and audio of him apologizing to her for it to the press and yet, he still won the job as the Attorney General (let that sink in) of the state of Minnesota just because of that big fat (D) next to his name. If that had been an (R) the media would have lambasted him in the press until he melted into the sand and was either in jail or never heard from again.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-09 21:32:20
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.
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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:38:49
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and there it is; keith ellison refuses to release the body cam footage.why would you do something like that if you were a racebaiter?

Because it’s evidence for the pending trial. If it exonerates the officers it exonerates them. He has a duty to not taint the potential jury pool by prematurely releasing evidence to the public. Let alone not tamper with said evidence by releasing it.


I do not disagree with this one bit. That being said, why, then, if body cam footage in a similar situation could be used (presumably) to show the police officers poor actions/story inconsistencies, you will see the media and liberal politicians clammer and scream that they need to release the footage to the public, even if there is pending litigation?
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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:39:41
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-09 21:40:40
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.

I was talking to hideka, you snuck in between there.
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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:41:33
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/karen-monahan-woman-accusing-rep-keith-ellison-of-abuse-speaks-out-2018-08-16/

And this came out during the crest of the #metoo movement blowing up. So even more shocking it was just dismissed.
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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:41:49
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Viciouss said: »
Prong said: »
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.

I was talking to hideka, you snuck in between there.

Sorry!

Removed my snarky in the above post, but that's a link to the story.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-09 21:42:44
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.

hes referring to my earlier comments that ellison was refusing to publically release the body cam footage which covers very important gaps from point a to z.

hes desperate to prove ellison isnt a racebaiter or doing things for political points/narrative pushing.
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By Prong 2020-06-09 21:45:07
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Prong said: »
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.

hes referring to my earlier comments that ellison was refusing to publically release the body cam footage which covers very important gaps from point a to z.

hes desperate to prove ellison isnt a racebaiter or doing things for political points/narrative pushing.


Ellison is a clown who only cares about the cameras, I said this back pages and pages ago. They really should have chosen a different prosecuting attorney, one with less baggage.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-09 21:45:30
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Cerberus.Hideka said: »
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I think everyone is more interested in reading the source for your Ellison hitjob. Didn't see it anywhere on the NPR homepage, although I did see things like no evidence of Antifa presence at riots and Texas and Florida are seeing huge covid numbers. Seems like you are sharing old news at best.


You serious? You really don't recall this? Was all over the news.

hes referring to my earlier comments that ellison was refusing to publically release the body cam footage which covers very important gaps from point a to z.

hes desperate to prove ellison isnt a racebaiter or doing things for political points/narrative pushing.

No I'm not, I don't care about your conspiracies about Ellison. You have implied that he is "doing things for political purposes" yet when pressed with actual procedural law or skepticism about your claims, you deflect to talk about the autopsy that literally no one has brought up.
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