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By Bahamut.Eorphere 2020-06-07 16:54:36
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By Fenrir.Puciato 2020-06-07 17:03:19
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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When I was growing up in Indiana three cops showed up to a party where there was suspected underage drinking and put 29 bullets into a kids truck, nine of which went through the kid himself.

Spoiler alert: all white people.

Ah, a fellow Hoosier. Whereabouts was this? (You can give a general region if you don’t want to say the exact town).

Fort Wayne.
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By Bahamut.Eorphere 2020-06-07 17:51:57
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Fenrir.Puciato said: »
When I was growing up in Indiana three cops showed up to a party where there was suspected underage drinking and put 29 bullets into a kids truck, nine of which went through the kid himself.

Spoiler alert: all white people.

Yep, it happens to all races... this doesn't mean that it isn't happening more towards one group than another. This is exactly the awareness that is being sought.

Nobody is arguing that at times, white people are treated unfairly, people are up in arms about the fact that there is a documented history of deliberate attacks on black people. It is all unwarranted, and yes, all lives matter, but please don't be so naive as to think that racism doesn't abound in our country.
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By Fenrir.Puciato 2020-06-07 23:47:09
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By Prong 2020-06-08 00:06:56
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Shockingly, an article on the left biased POLITICO site actually "kind of" takes a bit of a neutral stance on the topic of medical "experts" just flat out saying it's ok to NOT social distance...but only if your are protesting racism.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

You can even see the medical field fully understands they are being hypocrites in their statement but just don't care. "Well, we always kind of meant those stay at home things as a SUGGESTION...I mean, you knew that, right? Right...?"
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:16:57
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It was always a suggestion.

There WAS no point in unnecessary risk. Money/work/capitalism isn't worth dying for.

Civil liberties are worth risking infection/dying for.

A slowdown in infections = empty hospital beds = "acceptable risk"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-08 00:30:37
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It was always a suggestion.

There WAS no point in unnecessary risk. Money/work/capitalism isn't worth dying for.

Civil liberties are worth risking infection/dying for.

A slowdown in infections = empty hospital beds = "acceptable risk"
You know, if you hate capitalism so much, why not defect to China.

I'm sure they would treat you nicely, since you think communism is the better social economic policy...
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By Draylo 2020-06-08 00:34:13
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Well they finally got rid of the curfew this morning, maybe the rioting has finally died down.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:34:33
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Wage slavery to enrich someone else is bad.

I don't see how anyone can be brainwashed to think it isn't.

$10 an hour to stand in-front of a press and make nickel parts for the owner to sell for $100 is wrong on every level.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-08 00:37:58
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Wage slavery to enrich someone else is bad.

I don't see how anyone can be brainwashed to think it isn't.

$10 an hour to stand in-front of a press and make nickel parts for the owner to sell for $100 is wrong on every level.
...you do realize that anyone making minimum wage in the US is considered the top 1% of the world, right?

Hell, if you refuse to work and live off of welfare, you still make more per year in benefits than most of the world, including most European countries.

So, stop your bitching about living here in the US. You have it best here, and you are too selfish to realize it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:39:19
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Yeah that's all well and good except that it costs a million dollars to live in a trailer park.

We may have higher wages than child slaves but we also pay orders of magnitude more for everything. (for normal, average etc)

Average house in the midwest $219,700 (+ yearly property taxes even after you own it)

Go ahead figure out how many decades it will take you to make that much on slave labor.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-08 00:42:22
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It was always a suggestion.

There WAS no point in unnecessary risk. Money/work/capitalism isn't worth dying for.

Civil liberties are worth risking infection/dying for.

A slowdown in infections = empty hospital beds = "acceptable risk"

Uhh, Covid has killed a heck of a lot more people than police. A spike in unnecessary Covid cases resulting from protests could kill far more people in a short amount of time than police would kill on average in the space of many years.

Now, I'm not saying that these protests didn't need to happen (because they did), but if we're so freaking concerned about every human life, it probably could have waited a few months.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:43:16
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It's not a comparison.

Covid killing people is bad.

Cops killing people is also bad.

You don't pick one.

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
it probably could have waited a few months.

how many people die per day by cop? We'll just go ahead and let them kill another 300, then it's ok to protest? Sound reasonable?

Pieces of ***killing humans is something we can and should reasonably expect to control. We can't control who gets sick enough to die from covid.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-08 00:50:45
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's not a comparison.

Covid killing people is bad.

Cops killing people is also bad.

You don't pick one.

Uh, if you're trying to minimize the unnecessary loss of human life, there are certainly smarter ways to do it.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2020-06-08 00:51:03
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
$10 an hour to stand in-front of a press and make nickel parts for the owner to sell for $100 is wrong on every level.

Sounds like you have no idea how to manage a PL and balance sheet per qtr. or the factors to legally run a workforce because it isn't that simple.

Also, the jobs who are paying minimum wage are low skill jobs to begin with and obviously in most cases entry-level. But tell me more about why the person cleaning the dishes using my water, my soap, my gloves, under my insurance, under my roof should take more of the profit...
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:51:42
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They've been protesting police violence for years. smartly as it were. Hasn't had any affect.

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Asura.Eiryl said: »
$10 an hour to stand in-front of a press and make nickel parts for the owner to sell for $100 is wrong on every level.

Sounds like you have no idea how to manage a PL and balance sheet per qtr. or the factors to legally run a workforce because it isn't that simple.

Also, the jobs who are paying minimum wage are low skill jobs to begin with and obviously in most cases entry-level. But tell me more about why the person cleaning the dishes using my water, my soap, my gloves, under my insurance, under my roof should take more of the profit...

Uh, because that would make sense with the cost of living maybe? Minimum wage is exploitation. Plain and simple. If you didn't have desperate people to exploit, you'd be out of business.

(our) capitalism is built on exploitation and desperation.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-08 00:54:22
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
how many people die per day by cop? We'll just go ahead and let them kill another 300, then it's ok to protest? Sound reasonable?

We're talking 2-3 per day on average. If it means saving the lives of thousands, then, well, yeah. Or just find other ways to protest in the meantime (social media's a thing) and take to the streets when it's safer.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 00:57:59
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If the things they've been doing for a hundred years worked, it wouldn't have gotten to this point in the first place.

You can only say the police are racist, violent, pieces of ***for so long to deaf ears.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2020-06-08 01:00:22
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Uh, because that would make sense with the cost of living maybe? Minimum wage is exploitation. Plain and simple. If you didn't have desperate people to exploit, you'd be out of business.

(our) capitalism is built on exploitation and desperation.

If you want to be a lazy pos and work a dead-end job you can't complain about someone taking advantage of you for it like you are doing now.

Lifes a chess game - you gotta figure what piece you want to be. Let's not pretend communism is any different with leaders doing the same exact thing but on a bigger scale.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 01:02:51
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It's not capitalism or communism.

If you can't afford a $200,000 degree to get past a "dead end" job you have no choice.

Not to mention how many "better than dead end jobs" do you think there are? do you think there are 330 million of them? How many of those that you think there are (go ahead put a number on it) are outsourced because its cheaper?

You don't chose to live in the american widwest, you're born there and die there. Unless you're one of the lucky enough to escape.

For every 1 that makes it out of the ghetto despite the best efforts to keep you there a hundred can't. Not won't. Can't.

Literally trapped in desperation. You can't take a day off work to find better work because they'll fire you. If there was even better work to find. That a thousand other people aren't also trying to get.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2020-06-08 01:32:21
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
For every 1 that makes it out of the ghetto despite the best efforts to keep you there a hundred can't. Not won't. Can't.

This is the Mantra of the democratic party right here...

You CANT learn a skill that would potentially get you a better job...

You CANT find a better job.

You CANT move from the area you live in now.

You CANT Change your life for the better.

WTF happened to hard work and dedication? Do you not look in the mirror in the morning and think about your goals and what you can do today to better your life or do you think about how bad capitalism has *** up your life because you never took the initiative to do anything to secure your future and that the government needs to step in to make those evil business owners pay up for actually doing something with themselves.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 01:34:31
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It's not a "democratic mantra" it's the truth.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-08 01:36:02
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's not a "democratic mantra" it's the truth.

The more you tell people that that is the "truth", the more you turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 01:36:33
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If everyone was able to better themselves, there would be no one to exploit and the whole system would collapse.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-08 01:38:19
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's not a "democratic mantra" it's the truth.
So, what, millions of people in America are living a lie, and only you are living the truth, because you are too lazy dedicated to your party's platform to change?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-06-08 01:39:05
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The idea that you need to own a median house on one income is ridiculous to begin with. Minimum wage isn't amazing, but it certainly isn't a horrible standard of living compared to most of the world. There is the option of living with other people and sharing expenses, 3-4 people on minimum wage would have a very nice living in most parts of the US.

https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/household_size_and_composition_around_the_world_2017_data_booklet.pdf

page 3. Choosing to live in tiny family units while still demanding a massive house and refusing to put in the effort to make yourself worth more than minimum wage is a problem of your own making.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-08 01:40:01
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If everyone was able to better themselves, there would be no one to exploit and the whole system would collapse.
Wow, you really believe that, don't you?

Maybe it's not capitalism that is exploiting people, it's you and your mindset.

You literally projected your own insecurities and selfish behavior on society.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-08 01:40:55
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It's not a "democratic mantra" it's the truth.
So, what, millions of people in America are living a lie, and only you are living the truth, because you are too lazy dedicated to your party's platform to change?

They're literally living a lie. It's not options, but lack thereof.

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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If everyone was able to better themselves, there would be no one to exploit and the whole system would collapse.
Wow, you really believe that, don't you?

Maybe it's not capitalism that is exploiting people, it's you and your mindset.

You literally projected your own insecurities and selfish behavior on society.

Ask literally anyone why they work a minimum wage(ish) job. 100% will say "I don't have a choice" (obviously discounting death that's a "choice")
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-08 01:41:56
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's not a "democratic mantra" it's the truth.
So, what, millions of people in America are living a lie, and only you are living the truth, because you are too lazy dedicated to your party's platform to change?

They're literally living a lie. It's not options, but lack thereof.
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