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By Anna Ruthven 2020-07-21 11:08:06
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »So far responses are either ignore the question or no cuz Trump not doing it correctly, so lets keep up the War.
I hate to rest my case here, but I will give options again.
Keep troops in Afghanistan or Leave under Trumps orders? NO grey areas. Leave under Trump or Keep them there. Here, I'll even help and give you my opinion, I am for keeping Troops there. If you set a rule on no grey areas, your flawing your own question and don't deserve a straight answer.
If we pull out completely, we lose eyes and ears and influence over there and we leave a void in the effort to protect our interests. If we stay full force, we're upsetting the region and not letting life return to a healthy normal, thus irritating people and sowing the seeds of hatred.
Pull SOME out, leave bases, turn power over to a trusted government, military, whatever. It's not our country to rule but there's nothing wrong with keeping a base or two in the region. Kindof how we did with Germany, Japan, etc.? Yeah.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 11:10:15
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »well tim pool has been doing this for quite a while. you could watch the vids or read articles of what he wrote when obama was in office to get a reference He is avidly anti-war. I believe he didn't like how Obama kept up the war machine, in his words.
The anti-war stuff you'd think would appeal to non conservatives. So lets see.
Chanti, Vic, Kojo, do you support Trump's plan to pull our troops out of Afghanistan?
I'm replying to this here because you guys are derailing the covid thread, and I'm waiting on cooldowns.
Ahem, do I support getting out of Afghanistan? Sure, I would be open to the idea, if its done correctly. That said, is Trump doing it correctly?
HELL NO.
First, lets get the obvious out of the way, the Trump admin signed an American surrender with the Taliban, yes THAT Taliban, while not only cutting out the Afganistan government, but making promises on their behalf. That in itself should raise all kinds of red flags.
To summarize what the surrender terms were, the USA would fully withdraw, the Afghan government would release all of, or a huge chunk of, the ISIS prisoners that they had captured in exchange for Afghani POWs (a prisoner awap) and the Taliban, yes THAT Taliban, would agree not to harbor or promote acts of terrorism.
Since the US signed the surrender, the Afghan gov't has indeed released thousands of ISIS prisoners, and they have received back some of their POWs, but it hasn't been equivocal. More importantly, the terrorism has increased, at some points in time, skyrocketed. I mean, the Taliban are terrorists, so of course they are continuing to commit acts of terrorism.
So the US withdrawal has effectively been slowed, we withdrew from I think 4 bases and the immediate result was more terrorism. Trump wanted us out fully by the end of the year thats not gonna happen. Now he wants 4k troops out by the Fall I would doubt that happens. Congress has never liked the terms of the surrender, no one believes the Taliban. Trump just wants to score a political win at any cost, he fell flat on his face with North Korea, history is repeating itself.
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:14:11
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 11:23:04
Trump blasts Beijing in public, but privately Trump org imports tons of Chinese goods
Quote: Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has cast himself as tough on China and promised that his trade negotiations with Beijing would economically benefit everyday Americans, even as Trump-owned properties have continued to contribute to the trade deficit with the country he rails about.
Since September of last year, Trump properties in the US have imported more than eight tons of goods from China, CNN has learned by reviewing US customs data compiled by ImportGenius, which tracks information companies are legally bound to provide to US customs when they import goods to the US. The imports have arrived to decorate his properties while the President has sought to dress down China.
More than six tons of tables were delivered to Trump International Hotel in New York last fall. On the same day, Trump tweeted, "We are doing very well in our negotiations with China." ... It seems that Trump's "be American buy American" initiative somehow didn't make it from the oval office to his sons....
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By Putin On'the'ritz 2020-07-21 11:23:10
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
I won't spoil it, but don't forget the part where he threatened to go back if need be and the Senate passed Case-Church to prevent it from happening.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 11:24:42
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
Nixon.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:27:04
Trump blasts Beijing in public, but privately Trump org imports tons of Chinese goods
Quote: Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has cast himself as tough on China and promised that his trade negotiations with Beijing would economically benefit everyday Americans, even as Trump-owned properties have continued to contribute to the trade deficit with the country he rails about.
Since September of last year, Trump properties in the US have imported more than eight tons of goods from China, CNN has learned by reviewing US customs data compiled by ImportGenius, which tracks information companies are legally bound to provide to US customs when they import goods to the US. The imports have arrived to decorate his properties while the President has sought to dress down China.
More than six tons of tables were delivered to Trump International Hotel in New York last fall. On the same day, Trump tweeted, "We are doing very well in our negotiations with China." ... It seems that Trump's "be American buy American" initiative somehow didn't make it from the oval office to his sons.... ..wait, this article is about 8 tons of products? Furniture, no less.
This is not a bombshell argument you are making Chanti. You probably have 8 tons of Chinese products in your house/yard right now.....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:32:26
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
Nixon. If Nixon didn't resign, it would have lasted a few more years, tbh.
BTW, it was Ford. Fighting may have slowed down, and, as Rooks pointed out, Case-Church made it harder for new battles to occur, but the war ended after Nixon left office. It was still going on when Ford took over.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:34:20
In fact, Nixon and Kissinger both wanted Congress to stop/extend the deadline of the amendment from taking place.
By Viciouss 2020-07-21 11:39:52
Trump blasts Beijing in public, but privately Trump org imports tons of Chinese goods
Quote: Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has cast himself as tough on China and promised that his trade negotiations with Beijing would economically benefit everyday Americans, even as Trump-owned properties have continued to contribute to the trade deficit with the country he rails about.
Since September of last year, Trump properties in the US have imported more than eight tons of goods from China, CNN has learned by reviewing US customs data compiled by ImportGenius, which tracks information companies are legally bound to provide to US customs when they import goods to the US. The imports have arrived to decorate his properties while the President has sought to dress down China.
More than six tons of tables were delivered to Trump International Hotel in New York last fall. On the same day, Trump tweeted, "We are doing very well in our negotiations with China." ... It seems that Trump's "be American buy American" initiative somehow didn't make it from the oval office to his sons.... ..wait, this article is about 8 tons of products? Furniture, no less.
This is not a bombshell argument you are making Chanti. You probably have 8 tons of Chinese products in your house/yard right now.....
Probably not that much, but yeah. Case goods are imported. America makes the best furniture across the board, but Americans are only willing to pay big money for mattresses and couches. No one wants to spend big bucks on a mattress AND a bedframe, which is what Made in America case goods cost. Its just too expensive to make real wood products, and there is no profit in it.
All of our chain retailers sell imported case goods. Their dining sets, bedframes, end tables, coffee tables, dressers, its all cheap, fake veneer made in Vietnam/China. None of them have real wood. Any employee that tells you its a great deal for real wood thats made in the USA is either new to the job or trying to deceive you. It has nothing to do with who is in the WH, the market has been this way forever and its not changing.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 11:43:50
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
Nixon. If Nixon didn't resign, it would have lasted a few more years, tbh.
BTW, it was Ford. Fighting may have slowed down, and, as Rooks pointed out, Case-Church made it harder for new battles to occur, but the war ended after Nixon left office. It was still going on when Ford took over.
It was Nixon's platform. But he was very shady, obviously. And ending a war isn't as black and white as Skull wants us to respond with, and certainly not as easy as Trump wishes. But Nixon ran on getting us out and leaving South Vietnam as a sustainable country. I think he called it Peace through Honor or something like that. They lasted 2 years.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:44:26
Let's not forget that Trump has zero say in any of these purchases.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 11:45:57
To expand, Trump is fighting for Afghanistan to be the next Vietnam, decade+ long conflict ends in American retreat that ended up being all for nothing. If Trump's surrender is fully enacted, thats the same result. The Taliban is gonna take over and continue to let terrorism flourish. Its already happening, hence why the withdrawal has grounded to a halt. Without looking it up, do you remember who the president was that finally took us out of the Vietnam War?
Can you honestly answer that question?
Nixon. If Nixon didn't resign, it would have lasted a few more years, tbh.
BTW, it was Ford. Fighting may have slowed down, and, as Rooks pointed out, Case-Church made it harder for new battles to occur, but the war ended after Nixon left office. It was still going on when Ford took over.
It was Nixon's platform. But he was very shady, obviously. And ending a war isn't as black and white as Skull wants us to respond with, and certainly not as easy as Trump wishes. But Nixon ran on getting us out and leaving South Vietnam as a sustainable country. I think he called it Peace through Honor or something like that. They lasted 2 years. And Trump hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan yet either. Even though it was one of the issues he presented during his run.
He hasn't gone in new wars though, so that's something.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 14:45:05
Let's not forget that Trump has zero say in any of these purchases. ...
It seems that Trump's "be American buy American" initiative somehow didn't make it from the oval office to his sons....
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-21 16:26:10
Holy ***.
Orange boy almost sounds presidential during this corona brief. Less 5 year old exaggerations. Less humble brags. Only a few lies.
Urging Americans to wear a mask. No campaign rally. Only 2 or 3 race baiting remarks.
By Viciouss 2020-07-21 16:27:33
Well he is reading off prepared remarks, now that he is taking questions, it's going off the rails.
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By Cruz Missive 2020-07-21 16:35:39
Wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well. Not where I'd have gone with that, but you do you, Mr. President
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 16:40:49
Wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well. Not where I'd have gone with that, but you do you, Mr. President
Twice.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 17:14:49
Wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well. Not where I'd have gone with that, but you do you, Mr. President Say WHAT!!??!!
omfg... that's one the evangelicals might notice.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 17:18:22
Not only is he running for dictator of the confederacy, he is making sure to land the filthy rich child molester vote...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-21 17:27:02
Meh, Trump has a history of saying things that are easily taken out of context. On one hand it's his fault for not clarifying, but it also is the fault of people who go into tinfoil hat mode and make wild assumptions about his intent.
My guess is that it may have been a subtle jab with him thinking that she's about to get "Epsteined", but I'm not jumping to conclusions. I'm sure he'll go on a Twitter rant to explain himself at some point.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 17:29:56
Its the daily mail, but the bullet point headlines say it all.
EXCLUSIVE: Ghislaine Maxwell paid $25K to facts I don't like purveyor Jacob Wohl to 'smear Epstein victims and to get prosecutor Geoffrey Berman fired in attempt to stall sex trafficking investigation against her'
Ghislaine Maxwell hired Jacob Wohl to smear alleged victims of Jeffrey Epstein and her, a former friend told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview
As part of a $25k deal, Wohl and his lobbyist colleague Jack Burkman also allegedly pushed to get former New York US Attorney Geoffrey Berman fired
Wohl and Burkman are far-right lobbyists who have become a laughing stock in DC after several failed attempts to smear top political figures
Maryland paralegal Kristin Spealman claims she was initially contacted by the duo to use her in a smear campaign against Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz
Spealman told DailyMail.com they bragged to her they had been hired in early June for $25,000 to dig up dirt on Maxwell's alleged sex trafficking victims
Federal documents filed this month show a company linked to Maxwell had hired Wohl and Burkman to lobby on ‘issues relating to US DOJ, Senate Judiciary, House Judiciary,’ DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal
Berman's removal was intended to stall or stop the criminal investigation into Maxwell, Spealman said
Berman was ultimately pushed out by Barr in June, but two weeks later Maxwell was charged as part of Epstein's sex trafficking ring
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By Cruz Missive 2020-07-21 17:43:46
Eh, I saw that Mail thing and it looks highly suspect. Not sure I'd take that one without a boulder of salt until we get it corroborated elsewhere.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-21 18:14:49
Ghislaine Maxwell paid $25K to facts I don't like purveyor Jacob Wohl See Rooks, proof that your text replacer can backfire.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 19:03:13
I will believe most anything about Wohl and Burkman, I mean they are such inept clowns.
I will also take anything the mail says is an exclusive with several grains of salt.
Its those last two bolded lines...
Especially the last one. Which I have yet to research.
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By Prong 2020-07-21 19:31:07
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »So far responses are either ignore the question or no cuz Trump not doing it correctly, so lets keep up the War.
I hate to rest my case here, but I will give options again.
Keep troops in Afghanistan or Leave under Trumps orders? NO grey areas. Leave under Trump or Keep them there. Here, I'll even help and give you my opinion, I am for keeping Troops there.
This is my take on the "wars."
I've lobbied for years, long before this forum existed, that the US should pull out of everything that is not a state or territory of the US. We should not have to be the world's babysitters, nor did anyone elect us TO be.
Then as the years past and I actually started paying attention, it seems when we do this, evil spreads. The worse gets more worse. The weak suffer abroad and again, we seem to be the only ones with the resources/ego/balls to step in and do anything. So now, I'm conflicted.
But I will say this and will stand by this til the day I die: If we really wanted to help the planet, if we really wanted to do some bad for the sake of good, we'd stop trying to get groups of people who'd been squabbling over religious ***for 1,000 years to get along, we'd step into place like Africa and South America and we'd end poaching of endangered species and destroying of the rainforests that literally are the reason all life on this planet exists, due to the fact the supply 80% of the world's oxygen. Nobody can deny, USA haters or not, that if those animals/forests were in our legal boundaries and we wanted to stop poaching/deforestation, it would take the US maybe sixth months of military action and slaughter and it would be over.
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By Drama Torama 2020-07-21 19:42:07
Ghislaine Maxwell paid $25K to facts I don't like purveyor Jacob Wohl See Rooks, proof that your text replacer can backfire.
Omelette, eggs, yadda yadda yadda
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By Prong 2020-07-21 22:57:45
Not only is he running for dictator of the confederacy, he is making sure to land the filthy rich child molester vote...
He was wishing her well as in, "I hope the Clinton's don't have her killed before she squeals..."
As if you didn't already know that.
By Prong 2020-07-21 22:58:59
Meh, Trump has a history of saying things that are easily taken out of context. On one hand it's his fault for not clarifying, but it also is the fault of people who go into tinfoil hat mode and make wild assumptions about his intent.
My guess is that it may have been a subtle jab with him thinking that she's about to get "Epsteined", but I'm not jumping to conclusions. I'm sure he'll go on a Twitter rant to explain himself at some point.
They know that, they are just playing dumb.
I think.
When you have to talk trump do it here.
Positive, negative, I don't care.
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