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ALL TRUMP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!
By Prong 2020-06-24 05:06:17
Even if she were an idiot (she's not)
It's preferable to have someone who might screw up over someone who will purposely screw you time after time after time.
Politicians do. not. have your best interests in mind.
We can agree on that (the latter part, Alexa Ontario-Cortana is a complete idiot). I mean, Pelosi, Leahy, Markey, Wyden and Schumer (etc.) were blaming everything on Reagan when he was in office and now here they are, being politicians for decades and now blaming someone who's been one for 3 years for everything.
If the protestors really wanted to make some kind of positive change, they should leave the statues alone and demand term limits for congress.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 05:15:02
As a general rule, Representatives/Senators are educated and many have “impressive credentials”, which is the metric that people use to defend AOC as if she’s so much more impressive on paper than the many Republicans they freely call idiots. The fact of the matter is that she sounds like an idiot and her ideas like the Green New Deal are insanely stupid. Sorry, but she’s earned the title of idiot regardless of what her IQ actually is. Stupid is as stupid does.
By Prong 2020-06-24 05:27:26
As a general rule, Representatives/Senators are educated and many have “impressive credentials”, which is the metric that people use to defend AOC as if she’s so much more impressive on paper than the many Republicans they freely call idiots. The fact of the matter is that she sounds like an idiot and her ideas like the Green New Deal are insanely stupid. Sorry, but she’s earned the title of idiot regardless of what her IQ actually is. Stupid is as stupid does.
Plus, you can find a myriad of video collages of her saying one insanely incorrect thing after another on YouTube. Things that would get basically any other politician's career torched by the media yet, she's just given a pass over and over for whatever insane reason.
I'd normally just blame the big, fat (D) next to her name, but it's more than that, because even white, male Democrats would get crucified for some of the mistakes she makes.
 Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 05:42:37
Everything in the "green new deal" IS good.
There is nothing in the entire document that you could say isn't what we need to do. Obviously it's VERY ambitious. Should we not be ambitious instead of stagnant?
Everything in this document needs to happen the only thing iffy is timeline. Maybe not "absolutes of 100%"
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution
(A)to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas 5emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers
(B)to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States
(C)to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century
(D)to secure for all people of the United States for generations to come
(i) clean air and water; (ii) climate and community resiliency (iii) healthy food (iv) access to nature (v) a sustainable environment
(E)to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, communities of color,
migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused,
people with disabilities, and youth
be accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization
(A)building resiliency against climate change-related disasters, such as extreme weather, including by leveraging funding and providing investments for community-defined projects and strategies
(B)repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including
(i)by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible
(ii)by guaranteeing universal access to clean water
(iii)by reducing the risks posed by cli1mate impacts
(iv)by ensuring that any infrastructure bill considered by Congress addresses climate change
(C)meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources
(i)by dramatically expanding and upgrading renewable power sources
(ii)by deploying new capacity
(D)building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘‘smart’’power grids, and ensuring affordable access to electricity; 15
(E)upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximum energy efficiency, water effi-ciency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification
(F)spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible, including by expanding
newable energy manufacturing and investing in 1existing manufacturing and industry
(G)working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible
(i) by supporting family farming
(ii)by investing in sustainable farming and land use practices that increase soil health
(iii)by building a more sustainable food system that ensures universal access to healthy food
(H)overhauling transportation systems in the United States to remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible
(i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing
(ii)clean, affordable, and accessible public transit
(iii)high-speed rail
(I)mitigating and managing the long-term adverse health, economic, and other effects of pollution and climate change, including by providing funding for community-defined projects and strategies
(J)removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and reducing pollution by restoring natural ecosystems through proven low-tech solutions that increase soil carbon storage, such as land preservation and afforestation
(K)restoring and protecting threatened, endangered, and fragile ecosystems through locally appropriate and science-based projects that enhance biodiversity and support climate resiliency
(L)cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites, ensuring economic development and sustainability on those sites
(M)identifying other emission and pollution sources and creating solutions to remove them
(N)promoting the international exchange of technology, expertise, products, funding, and services, with the aim of making the United States the international leader on climate action, and to help other countries achieve a Green New Deal;
By Prong 2020-06-24 05:50:39
It's not that, "create gooder jobs for everyone that create zero carbon emissions" isn't a nice thought, it's that she has absolutely zero idea how to achieve such things and for the last time, you will never achieve all of those things as long as humans exist.
We need realistic solutions, not some dreamy, Puff the Magic moron hippy telling us in a long document, "we need to make the icky things better and use other people's money to do it."
Hell, anyone can just, pick the nicest possible dreamland things they can think of and come off looking like a good person.
"I think all people should be rich."
"We should be able to make iPhones out of apples and the network can be roots in the ground."
"All armies should have Nerf tanks and fight it out on Fortnite."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 05:52:44
Hey, look at me! I can also create a document full of idealistic nonsense that, like, sounds super good but is impossible to implement and pretend that it would work as actual legislation! #LikeSoSmart
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 05:55:59
Look at Michigan. The entirety of the public transport system is non existent. Largely if not wholly because of the rust belt.
We have ZERO subways, in the entire state.
One monorail, that is about a 3 miles long.
One lightrail and it was only built recently (woodward) Qline May 12, 2017
Our bus system is absolute dogshit.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 05:57:24
See people like you are why we can't get anything done. You just ***on everything "it's impossible change is bad!"
By Prong 2020-06-24 06:03:56
See people like you are why we can't get anything done. You just ***on everything "it's impossible change is bad!"
Wrong, again. I'm all for positive realistic change.
I am more pro-animal rights and pro-environmental legislation than even you I bet. I was against the Dakota Pipeline, entirely. I am against fracking, entirely. I am against the Trump kid's big game hunting escapades, entirely. I hope they accidentally shoot themselves while aiming at their next super rare ram or albino giraffe.
But you can't tear down every building in existence overnight and rebuild it all with a material that doesn't even yet exist, being she's only in favor of materials that place zero burden on our environment and cost poor people $0.00. You can't end air travel without a viable alternative that doesn't take 7 weeks to cross the Atlantic. Our society is too far down the road for her solutions to work.
And I'm all for public transit especially in metro areas. So maybe you should lobby your Democratic mayors/congress-persons/city council-people who run those states/cities like Detroit to get on it.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-24 06:04:45
See people like you are why we can't get anything done. You just ***on everything "it's impossible change is bad!"
eiryl when you say "we" you mean "someone else." you don't do anything productive for society and you don't even pay taxes. You're a net drain on the system and only complain without contributing anything. Be quiet.
By Prong 2020-06-24 06:11:56
And by the way, M roads are ignorant.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 06:17:13
Like I said the timelines is unreasonable. and 100% teardown and rebuild is unreasonable. 100% never use gas again is unreasonable.
This is why there is "where technologically feasible" is in every line.
It's not all "do this immediately at the cost of everything else" they're goals. 10 years is extremely lofty ambition. it's there so it gets bargained down to 20 or 50. all the 100% gets bargained down to 80% 50% etc.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 06:20:11
So tired of the "crabs in a bucket" mentality.
It's hard so *** it entirely. Just let everyone be miserable sick and suicidal. Excellent endgame strategy, great country your kids will grow up in.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 06:27:15
See people like you are why we can't get anything done. You just ***on everything "it's impossible change is bad!"
No, I’m just pragmatic. A good idea that is impossible to implement is a bad idea. If I wrote a piece of legislation that did 0.1% as much as what the Green New Deal promised then it would be vastly superior because mine might actually pass. That’s the difference between political theater and getting things done, but you probably wouldn’t even hear about it because getting things done takes a back seat to razzle dazzle garbage.
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By Prong 2020-06-24 06:33:06
So tired of the "crabs in a bucket" mentality.
It's hard so *** it entirely. Just let everyone be miserable sick and suicidal. Excellent endgame strategy, great country your kids will grow up in.
Omg don't suddenly start acting like you of all people care about anyone but yourself. That suit just doesn't fit.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 06:39:28
"Because it can't pass" doesn't make it bad. that makes the system bad.
Anything good for us, can't pass. Because good for "us" is bad for "them". So tired of the "crabs in a bucket" mentality.
It's hard so *** it entirely. Just let everyone be miserable sick and suicidal. Excellent endgame strategy, great country your kids will grow up in.
Omg don't suddenly start acting like you of all people care about anyone but yourself. That suit just doesn't fit.
Nothing "sudden" about it.
By Prong 2020-06-24 06:42:12
"Because it can't pass" doesn't make it bad. that makes the system bad.
Anything good for us, can't pass. Because good for "us" is bad for "them". So tired of the "crabs in a bucket" mentality.
It's hard so *** it entirely. Just let everyone be miserable sick and suicidal. Excellent endgame strategy, great country your kids will grow up in.
Omg don't suddenly start acting like you of all people care about anyone but yourself. That suit just doesn't fit.
Nothing "sudden" about it.
So you've acted like you care about others for awhile now? You're a terrible actor in that case.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 06:48:20
You just don't pay attention. Yeah I'm the bad guy on a video game.
I'll happily take advantage of a bad system, expressly to show how bad that system is.
I've never not been for better play, balance, fairness, fixing exploits, improved function. And I've never not been pro-bettering-human life. You can pull up old posts. "rising tide all ships" "you deserve better" Vehemently every single political post is how the system is flawed and we need to improve it.
You just focus on the fact that I'm willing to sacrifice some of em. (not without reason!) Omelets, break eggs etc.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 06:51:17
Bettering some human lives by sacrificing other, innocent human lives makes you a scumbag. Case closed. Stop bringing it up.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 07:08:29
I'm ok with you thinking that way. You're emotional about it, I'm not.
I literally only said it (right now) so no one comes in and says it. Yes, I'm pro-volcano! Never won't be. Never going to change. And you whining about it changes nothing, so don't.
You're going to have to get over it. That doesn't mean I can't be for "in the now and near future" changes... while waiting for more pro-volcano enthusiasts.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 07:11:06
I'm ok with you thinking that way. You're emotional about it, I'm not.
I literally only said it (right now) so no one comes in and says it. Yes, I'm pro-volcano! Never won't be. Never going to change. And you whining about it changes nothing, so don't.
You're going to have to get over it. That doesn't mean I can't be for "in the now and near future" changes... while waiting for more pro-volcano enthusiasts.
Jump into the volcano first and we’ll forgive you.
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By Prong 2020-06-24 10:13:32
You just don't pay attention. Yeah I'm the bad guy on a video game.
I'll happily take advantage of a bad system, expressly to show how bad that system is.
I've never not been for better play, balance, fairness, fixing exploits, improved function. And I've never not been pro-bettering-human life. You can pull up old posts. "rising tide all ships" "you deserve better" Vehemently every single political post is how the system is flawed and we need to improve it.
You just focus on the fact that I'm willing to sacrifice some of em. (not without reason!) Omelets, break eggs etc.
Hilarious how you actually think my opinion has absolutely anything to do with you RMTing in an 18 year old video game, lol.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2020-06-24 13:56:08
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-24 14:19:45
Well to the surprise of no one, AOC won her primary today by 50 points, her challenger isn't even worth talking about. Agreed. Liberals have become so insane that they would vote in favor of one of the most ignorant people to ever do a live interview. No surprise whatsoever. Sarah Palin's leftist equivalent. From Wiki:
[AOC] came in second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.[20] In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the MIT Lincoln Laboratory named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[21][22] In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session. She later became the LDZ Secretary of State while she attended Boston University. Ocasio-Cortez had a John F. Lopez Fellowship.[23]...
During college, Ocasio-Cortez served as an intern for U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, in his section on foreign affairs and immigration issues.[27]...
Ocasio-Cortez graduated *** laude from Boston University College of Arts and Sciences with a BA in 2011, majoring in international relations and economics.[23][28][29]
We would benefit if ALL of congress was so "ignorant."
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By volkom 2020-06-24 14:41:38
This isn't Trump stuff.
I may not have seen it but looks like the only politician that's speaking about the statue removal is Trump. In addition to that ~ wonder if he'll call in the troops to quell the protests in DC.
I'm not religious but find it gross that St. John's got vandalized again ~ I'm not sure what the protests are about even more
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By Lakshmi.Leosin 2020-06-24 15:59:36
If the protestors really wanted to make some kind of positive change, they should leave the statues alone and demand term limits for congress.
This would slow so much of the idiocy flowing out of our government.
Probably wont ever happen though. Why would the people that control this facet essentially castrate themselves? Because it would be good for everyone else but them. This is easily one of the few topics that reps on both sides of the aisle will quickly change the subject about.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 16:01:43
Well to the surprise of no one, AOC won her primary today by 50 points, her challenger isn't even worth talking about. Agreed. Liberals have become so insane that they would vote in favor of one of the most ignorant people to ever do a live interview. No surprise whatsoever. Sarah Palin's leftist equivalent. From Wiki:
[AOC] came in second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.[20] In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the MIT Lincoln Laboratory named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[21][22] In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session. She later became the LDZ Secretary of State while she attended Boston University. Ocasio-Cortez had a John F. Lopez Fellowship.[23]...
During college, Ocasio-Cortez served as an intern for U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, in his section on foreign affairs and immigration issues.[27]...
Ocasio-Cortez graduated *** laude from Boston University College of Arts and Sciences with a BA in 2011, majoring in international relations and economics.[23][28][29]
We would benefit if ALL of congress was so "ignorant."
Now go fetch out the academic credentials of the rest of Congress before pretending she’s special.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-24 16:05:17
The people in control want to stay in control and will never stop being in control by choice. To busy infighting left vs right instead of focusing on top vs bottom.
Quote: Because good for "us" is bad for "them".
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-24 20:53:04
Now go fetch out the academic credentials of the rest of Congress before pretending she’s special. Quote: [Steve} King graduated in 1967 from Denison Community High School.[11][15][17] In 1972...
King attended Northwest Missouri State University from 1967 to 1970, where he was a member of the Alpha Kappa Lambda fraternity and majored in math and biology, but did not graduate.[15][19]
[Kevin McCarthy, Minority leader] attended California State University, Bakersfield, where he obtained a Bachelor of Science in marketing in 1989 and a Master of Business Administration in 1994.[12] (no mention of high school.)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-24 18:37:51
Now go fetch out the academic credentials of the rest of Congress before pretending she’s special. Quote: [Steve} King graduated in 1967 from Denison Community High School.[11][15][17] In 1972...
King attended Northwest Missouri State University from 1967 to 1970, where he was a member of the Alpha Kappa Lambda fraternity and majored in math and biology, but did not graduate.[15][19]
[Kevin McCarthy, Minority leader] attended California State University, Bakersfield, where he obtained a Bachelor of Science in marketing in 1989 and a Master of Business Administration in 1994.[12] (no mention of high school.)
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So, you cherry-picked two and that's your argument? I went looking for representatives in Kentucky (we always made fun of Kentucky growing up in Indiana, so I figured it was a good start for the lols). Out of the first six I found, there's an MIT grad who won the school's top prize for inventors, two Yale grads, and two lawyers. They're not as high-profile as AOC and don't need to overcompensate for talking like a 14-year-old, so their every achievement isn't listed on Wikipedia, I'm sure.
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