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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-16 14:39:46
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What are you talking about with these tanks and grenade launchers? You act like cops go around like its GTA and blow people up with their tanks and ***. Makes no sense lol. I do recall situations with mass shootings where they need to bring in equipment like that, do you think a social worker could go in and talk the shooter out of his evil deeds?
The Police do receive quiet a bit of equipment from the US Military It's treated as military surplus and it tends to be older stuff but it still counts. Ultimately it's a cultural problem, the Police have a very toxic culture that creates the conditions for very interactions with the citizens enemy combatants. It all started with the "War on Drugs". That transformed peace police from keepers of the peace to a poorly trained paramilitary force. Their enemy was the drug cartels, little Johnny buying a joint and everyone in between. When your potential enemies are that vast, it turns every interaction into a warzone.
I'm sorry but it started during the Viet-Nam war era.

Nixon deliberately wanted to separate police from the community. He expanded the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration to get cops into cars and off foot patrols. otherwise known as "walking the beat." Today we call the "walking the beat" stuff community policing.

The war on drugs did put the concept on steroids.

I have no idea just when the police started getting military surplus war fighting equipment. Or the "dominate the battlespace" mindset. When I was a kid it was merely rough up the protesters.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-16 15:02:41
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What are you talking about with these tanks and grenade launchers? You act like cops go around like its GTA and blow people up with their tanks and ***. Makes no sense lol. I do recall situations with mass shootings where they need to bring in equipment like that, do you think a social worker could go in and talk the shooter out of his evil deeds?
The Police do receive quiet a bit of equipment from the US Military It's treated as military surplus and it tends to be older stuff but it still counts. Ultimately it's a cultural problem, the Police have a very toxic culture that creates the conditions for very interactions with the citizens enemy combatants. It all started with the "War on Drugs". That transformed peace police from keepers of the peace to a poorly trained paramilitary force. Their enemy was the drug cartels, little Johnny buying a joint and everyone in between. When your potential enemies are that vast, it turns every interaction into a warzone.
I'm sorry but it started during the Viet-Nam war era.

Nixon deliberately wanted to separate police from the community. He expanded the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration to get cops into cars and off foot patrols. otherwise known as "walking the beat." Today we call the "walking the beat" stuff community policing.

The war on drugs did put the concept on steroids.

I have no idea just when the police started getting military surplus war fighting equipment. Or the "dominate the battlespace" mindset. When I was a kid it was merely rough up the protesters.

It was from the "War on Drugs" where the stated "enemy" was anyone and everyone involved in illegal drugs. Inner city gangs run most of the drug distribution while importing the material with from Central / South America or from white trailer trash living in the sticks. Those gangs tend to be armed and dangerous. Back then Police were more focused on domestic pacification (aka keeping the peace) and drugs were handled by special units dedicated to the task. What the WoD did was to make every Police Officer a member of the "anti-drug task force" and every Police Department an "anti-drug department".

That kind of shift of focus immediately resulted in Police equipment and training revolving around fighting drug dealers. Their uniforms went from bright blue uniforms to these dark blue / black SpecOps military outfits. Their focus went from "deescalation and keeping the peace" to "arrest or shoot every drug dealer on sight". Because keeping the police doesn't' earn promotions, taking out drug dealers does.

Here is the catch, the Police know exactly where the gang members and drug dealers are at. Tomorrow they could drive right into that are and be looking them in the eye. So knowing that why don't the police do this? Because they would be killed instantly if they tried and there would be no witness's. The Police avoid those neighborhoods unless absolutely necessary and the gang members stay in those neighborhoods. With most of the enemy unavailable, that only leaves regular civilians to power an officers anti-drug career.

Want to end the Police violence? End the "War on Drugs", only specialized units deal with heavy narcotic operations and totally ignore the everyday person. Police no longer incentivized to plant evidence to rack up arrest counts. Police no longer expected to get into gun fights with gang members that they avoid anyway.
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I genuinely don't care if individuals do any drugs as long as it doesn't affect me. Unfortunately, that's impossible now. An enormous percentage of the population has drug issues that negatively affect their physical health, ability and willingness to work, and state of mind. More and more people end up on unemployment, welfare, HUD, SNAP, disability, etc. Fewer people being productive and paying taxes, more people being worthless degenerates. We're so far past the tipping point on social welfare and debt repayment spending that it can never be corrected. The vast majority of fighting-aged males are so soft and weak that they don't even qualify to begin basic training. The nation is becoming weaker, more unstable, and more indefensible daily.

It's no longer a matter of just living and letting live; letting hippies smoke weed in their basements. I've noticed an unbelievable increase in the amount of cocaine usage by the 18-30 demographic over just the past few years, adderall over the past 5 years. No one disputes that meth and fentanyl have destroyed huge swaths of the country. Heroine deaths are way up recently. Drug ODs increase in number every year.

So let's say we blanket end the "war on drugs" today. The trends we already see continue to escalate. The social programs that support the masses of drug-addicted bums will collapse. Taxes will be increased to pay for ever-expanding social programs to the point that regular working people will just stop working and join the government dole. In another ten years we don't have enough able-bodied youth to staff the military. China will take advantage of our weakness, given the opportunity. All of the people who don't see the problem with allowing an entire population to become modern-day opium addicts will be slain or enslaved by the Chinese in the next couple of decades.

It's not insane. It's happened to pretty much every civilization the past couple thousand years. Are you sure you want to stop trying to prevent widespread drug distribution? I'm not sure that I care. As sickened as I am by seeing so many degenerate bums churned directly out of college, already addicted and worthless, with no direction or plan, it creates an incredible lack of competition for the few who are focused and driven.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-16 17:06:35
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I genuinely don't care if individuals do any drugs as long as it doesn't affect me. Unfortunately, that's impossible now. An enormous percentage of the population has drug issues that negatively affect their physical health, ability and willingness to work, and state of mind. More and more people end up on unemployment, welfare, HUD, SNAP, disability, etc. Fewer people being productive and paying taxes, more people being worthless degenerates. We're so far past the tipping point on social welfare and debt repayment spending that it can never be corrected. The vast majority of fighting-aged males are so soft and weak that they don't even qualify to begin basic training. The nation is becoming weaker, more unstable, and more indefensible daily.

It's no longer a matter of just living and letting live; letting hippies smoke weed in their basements. I've noticed an unbelievable increase in the amount of cocaine usage by the 18-30 demographic over just the past few years, adderall over the past 5 years. No one disputes that meth and fentanyl have destroyed huge swaths of the country. Heroine deaths are way up recently. Drug ODs increase in number every year.

So let's say we blanket end the "war on drugs" today. The trends we already see continue to escalate. The social programs that support the masses of drug-addicted bums will collapse. Taxes will be increased to pay for ever-expanding social programs to the point that regular working people will just stop working and join the government dole. In another ten years we don't have enough able-bodied youth to staff the military. China will take advantage of our weakness, given the opportunity. All of the people who don't see the problem with allowing an entire population to become modern-day opium addicts will be slain or enslaved by the Chinese in the next couple of decades.

It's not insane. It's happened to pretty much every civilization the past couple thousand years. Are you sure you want to stop trying to prevent widespread drug distribution? I'm not sure that I care. As sickened as I am by seeing so many degenerate bums churned directly out of college, already addicted and worthless, with no direction or plan, it creates an incredible lack of competition for the few who are focused and driven.

Umm ...

This happen even with a hyper aggressive Police Force shooting people in the name of the "War on Drugs". That war has failed miserably and was about as effective as the "War on Terror". You can't declare an open ended nonstop war on a concept or idea, it never works out.

So yes end the "War on Drugs", stop the hyper aggressive focus on killing evil drug dealers and instead focus on maintaining domestic peace.

It's kinda funny seeing someone who is a self proclaimed conservative talking like a radical progressive. I mean so you like absolute government control, when it's for something you support?
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-16 18:56:17
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I genuinely don't care if individuals do any drugs as long as it doesn't affect me. Unfortunately, that's impossible now. An enormous percentage of the population has drug issues that negatively affect their physical health, ability and willingness to work, and state of mind. More and more people end up on unemployment, welfare, HUD, SNAP, disability, etc. Fewer people being productive and paying taxes, more people being worthless degenerates. We're so far past the tipping point on social welfare and debt repayment spending that it can never be corrected. The vast majority of fighting-aged males are so soft and weak that they don't even qualify to begin basic training. The nation is becoming weaker, more unstable, and more indefensible daily.

It's no longer a matter of just living and letting live; letting hippies smoke weed in their basements. I've noticed an unbelievable increase in the amount of cocaine usage by the 18-30 demographic over just the past few years, adderall over the past 5 years. No one disputes that meth and fentanyl have destroyed huge swaths of the country. Heroine deaths are way up recently. Drug ODs increase in number every year.

So let's say we blanket end the "war on drugs" today. The trends we already see continue to escalate. The social programs that support the masses of drug-addicted bums will collapse. Taxes will be increased to pay for ever-expanding social programs to the point that regular working people will just stop working and join the government dole. In another ten years we don't have enough able-bodied youth to staff the military. China will take advantage of our weakness, given the opportunity. All of the people who don't see the problem with allowing an entire population to become modern-day opium addicts will be slain or enslaved by the Chinese in the next couple of decades.

It's not insane. It's happened to pretty much every civilization the past couple thousand years. Are you sure you want to stop trying to prevent widespread drug distribution? I'm not sure that I care. As sickened as I am by seeing so many degenerate bums churned directly out of college, already addicted and worthless, with no direction or plan, it creates an incredible lack of competition for the few who are focused and driven.

Umm ...

This happen even with a hyper aggressive Police Force shooting people in the name of the "War on Drugs". That war has failed miserably and was about as effective as the "War on Terror". You can't declare an open ended nonstop war on a concept or idea, it never works out.

So yes end the "War on Drugs", stop the hyper aggressive focus on killing evil drug dealers and instead focus on maintaining domestic peace.

It's kinda funny seeing someone who is a self proclaimed conservative talking like a radical progressive. I mean so you like absolute government control, when it's for something you support?

You absolutely can declare war on a concept and snuff it out, and this has been done many times throughout history. Civilizations throughout the world, for thousands of years, have banned practices under threat of violence, declared ideologies to be heretical, and exterminated all those who don't obey the state. Pretty much every part of the world was like this until the United States was developed. The only reason it hasn't worked in the modern west is because "leadership" doesn't have the stomach to implement the amount of violence necessary to actually enforce policy.

How do you "maintain domestic peace" when the bulk of a population becomes rotten and unable to contribute? At a point, the worthless become to heavy to carry, the few remaining workers resent the worthless masses and stop working, and society collapses.

Quote me where I claimed to be a conservative or even suggested that I'm in favor of "absolute government control." I dislike both political parties, I just despise leftists as adult-children zealots. I'm pro-2A, but also pro-choice. I want the smallest government possible, and for the government to mostly leave me alone. I don't trust the police to protect me or anyone else, which is partly why I believe so strongly in 2A and avoid interaction with police at all cost. I don't think the USA should be in the middle east, at all. I know from history and first-hand experience that collectivism is a failed idea, and that personal, individual responsibility is the path to success. If my taxes didn't pay for social welfare programs for tens of millions of drug-addicted bums, then I wouldn't give a ***what drugs people pumped into themselves, for the reasons already stated. I don't care at all about how people "identify" and don't think the government should be involved in that in any way, but also believe that defining your entire being by how you "identify" is probably indicative of mental illness.

I could go on. I understand that you don't like the government telling you that you can't do drugs, but hopefully you can at least see the consequences of society accepting widespread hedonism. There are enough examples from history, of the resulting collapse, that people should know better.
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By Voren 2020-06-17 15:49:46
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The only reason it hasn't worked in the modern west is because "leadership" doesn't have the stomach to implement the amount of violence necessary to actually enforce policy.

That and the little thing call the Constitution.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-17 22:49:02
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Trump asked China for help getting reelected, Bolton book claims

The memoir by the former national security adviser is a scathing indictment of the president.

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Small wonder he doesn't want it to get out.
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Yeah, after "mah Russia", I don't think "mah China" is going to gain traction based primarily on the words of Bolton. It was a nice try.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-18 00:08:15
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It's just piling onto a sinking ship at this point. It's been fun to watch Trump try to stop the publication tho.
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There was a great clip I can't find about blocking the book and not knowing it's already printed lol.
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Nothing classier than a poorly-applied political bumper sticker.
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.
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John Bolton Book Excerpts Are Dropping, And They Are BUGF*CK
Trigger warning. Wonkette.

But it has a great round up of excerpts from the book!

OK, snarky commentary as well...
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-18 02:13:35
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Voren said: »
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The only reason it hasn't worked in the modern west is because "leadership" doesn't have the stomach to implement the amount of violence necessary to actually enforce policy.

That and the little thing call the Constitution.

Not really. The existence of the constitution hasn’t prevented the government from doing all kinds of ridiculous ***. They just “interpret” it differently or ignore it completely until a case can get to the supreme court. The constitution won’t protect you fast enough, or enough period, if a government entity really wants you gone for whatever reason.
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-18 03:49:37
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know an argument is.
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It's just piling onto a sinking ship at this point. It's been fun to watch Trump try to stop the publication tho.



The tailspin, for those in denial.
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know an argument is.

But funnier when it whooshes past you.
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It's funny when you don't know an argument is.

Would you care to edit that sentence to be coherent?
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know what an argument is.

There you go, all fixed. See how I even go above and beyond to fix your inadequacies?
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know what an argument is.

There you go, all fixed. See how I even go above and beyond to fix your inadequacies?

At least mine are fixable. But hey, if you want to claim victory over an iPhone's illogical autocorrect that deletes random words, by all means. You're the winner.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know what an argument is.

There you go, all fixed. See how I even go above and beyond to fix your inadequacies?

At least mine are fixable. But hey, if you want to claim victory over an iPhone's illogical autocorrect that deletes random words, by all means. You're the winner.


Riiiiight. It's the fault of our phone.

No one forced you to choose failing Apple.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know what an argument is.

There you go, all fixed. See how I even go above and beyond to fix your inadequacies?

At least mine are fixable. But hey, if you want to claim victory over an iPhone's illogical autocorrect that deletes random words, by all means. You're the winner.


Riiiiight. It's the fault of our phone.

No one forced you to choose failing Apple.

Didn’t choose them. It’s my work phone. I’ve never purchased an Apple product. It just happens to run much faster in a browser than my old Android that I haven’t bothered to replace yet.
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
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Its obviously a democrat's car Rav. Fricking dems can't do ANYTHING right.

It's funny when the placement of a bumper sticker is the best argument a person can conjure up.

It's funny when you don't know what an argument is.

There you go, all fixed. See how I even go above and beyond to fix your inadequacies?

At least mine are fixable.

I have to say, I'm thoroughly impressed with your retort. It's exactly how I would have replied. I feel an inner glow, knowing I have taught you well.

Love you Rava
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Voren said: »
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The only reason it hasn't worked in the modern west is because "leadership" doesn't have the stomach to implement the amount of violence necessary to actually enforce policy.

That and the little thing call the Constitution.

Not really. The existence of the constitution hasn’t prevented the government from doing all kinds of ridiculous ***. They just “interpret” it differently or ignore it completely until a case can get to the supreme court. The constitution won’t protect you fast enough, or enough period, if a government entity really wants you gone for whatever reason.

I'm not denying that the constitution has been tested, it has, and it's prevailed. It took time, and it also took people willing to stand up against those in charge.

If I'm given an illegal order, I will not obey it. I've already made that abundantly clear to the powers that be at my agency, I've actually told the sheriff no before on violating NCIC policy, which would have been a felony (his ignorance of the changes was cleared up) so have the field deputies. That's what it takes, for the ones on the ground to say "hold up a damn second". There's more of those than you may realize, except in Atlanta, they just peaced out, as I understand, jail staff is answering 911, that's *** terrifying.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-18 15:14:33
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Seems like the Supreme Court is getting in on the pile on, as it just ruled against Trump ending DACA.
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Anyone in the Tulsa area looking to make $250.00? There is still time!
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Fox News poll gives Biden a 12-point lead: Trump fumes
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