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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 20:41:35
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Just everyone in Congress and the WH.
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By Drama Torama 2020-06-15 20:50:10
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Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
heartless homophobes

No, but when the head of the GOP gleefully rolls out a plan to restrict healthcare in the middle of Pride month, and this is met with enthusiasm by the base, you are gonna get painted with that broad brush.

As for being to the right of me, my actual political positions don't really fit in either bucket. At this point I assume both sides think I'm in the tank for the other one.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-15 21:27:43
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Its a banner day for LGBT rights, probably their biggest victory ever, and it blows up Trump's entire anti-LGBT platform. Congrats to all.

Can you define "Trump's anti-lgbt agenda?"
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-15 21:31:33
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Idiot Boy said: »
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
is as intelligent as you Rooks

I am an idiot. Never, ever, forget that.

I'm married to a public health researcher, though. Who knew THAT was gonna come in handy?

And yes, shitty headlines are not a new thing, but in this case there's a reason health experts are only questioning one of them.

And that reason is obviously bias.

black trans good
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:44:23
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Valefor.Commodus said: »
Viciouss said: »
Its a banner day for LGBT rights, probably their biggest victory ever, and it blows up Trump's entire anti-LGBT platform. Congrats to all.

Can you define "Trump's anti-lgbt agenda?"

Yes.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-15 21:45:06
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Cruz Missive said: »
From a purely textual perspective Gorsuch's opinion is correct; you can't talk about orientation or gender identity without talking about sex, and sex is a protected class under Title VII. That's as open and shut as anything getting to the Supreme Court is gonna get.

Umm Sex and sexual orientation are two very different things. That's like mixing race and socioeconomic status and saying a person's socioeconomic status should be a protected status because race is one also.

I'm not disagreeing with the ruling as the Constitution isn't perfect and sometimes the Supreme Court needs to step in and correct a injustice, which is what this was. Sexual orientation, like socioeconomic status, should not be discriminated against and it's Congress's job to ensure as such. I interpreted Kavanaugh's dissent as an admonishment against Congress. I mean read it, it's like he's not really disagreeing with the ruling, just that it had to be done in the first place. It's basically "I disagree with you in principle, and I'm happy this happened anyway".

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The law WAS made through congress. The 6 - 3 decision merely confirms it.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-1964#:~:text=Title VII prohibits employment discrimination,Rights Act of 1991 (Pub.&text=Be it enacted by the,Civil Rights Act of 1964".

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(a) Employer practices

It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -

(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

The law, as written, doesn't include sexual orientation or socioeconomic status or about half a dozen potentially qualifying status's that should be protected against. Some people discriminated against some other people due to their sexual orientation, which is a ***thing to do. They brought it through the courts and to Congress's inaction it ended up at the Supreme Court, who had to do Congress's job for them.

In a perfect world Congress would of updated the CRA to include additional protected class's like sexual orientation, socioeconomic background, political affiliation, and so forth.

Having said that, I'm glad that this got approved and I hope it gets expanded to include other aspects like political affiliation, political beliefs, social profile and such. I firmly believe the spirit of the CRA was to protect against unwarranted discrimination.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-15 21:47:54
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Drama Torama said: »
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
heartless homophobes

No, but when the head of the GOP gleefully rolls out a plan to restrict healthcare in the middle of Pride month, and this is met with enthusiasm by the base, you are gonna get painted with that broad brush.

As for being to the right of me, my actual political positions don't really fit in either bucket. At this point I assume both sides think I'm in the tank for the other one.

Based purely on the things you've said here, your firming on the left just not the radical left. Makes you left of Kennedy and right of Karl Marx. That medium left region that has the zealots screaming that your not faithful enough.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-15 21:56:02
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Having said that, I'm glad that this got approved and I hope it gets expanded to include other aspects like political affiliation, political beliefs, social profile and such. I firmly believe the spirit of the CRA was to protect against unwarranted discrimination.


Hell thinking again, I'd go even more then that. A persons criminal history shouldn't be used either, not unless that history had a direct correlation with the job itself. Suspended sentence or doing a year for drug possession / intent to sell should not stop a person from being eligible for a job. Convicts should be able to have their records sealed after completing six months to a year of rehabilitation upon release from prison.

One of the reasons we have such a revolving door on prisons is that one mistake made during youth will prevent a person from ever having a decent job again, meaning the only "work" they can do for money is stuff that being a convict is seen as a good thing. I knew a lot of people that did bad ***because nobody would hire them to do anything else.
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By Drama Torama 2020-06-15 22:01:48
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Based purely on the things you've said here

I've said this before, but I intentionally post things outside of my actual belief structure now and then so neither side gets too comfortable thinking I'm on their side.

The contents of my inbox would indicate that I've mostly succeeded at this.
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By Putin On'the'ritz 2020-06-15 22:05:55
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Valefor.Commodus said: »

And that reason is obviously bias.

black trans good
black trans supporters good
black trans rally good
orange man bad
orange man supporters bad
orange man rally bad

Or, like I said:

outside+masks = not great, but workable
inside+close together+no masks = pretty much the exact definition of what not to do

It is hard to overstate how valuable masks are to limiting the spread of this thing.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-15 22:09:11
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Drama Torama said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Based purely on the things you've said here

I've said this before, but I intentionally post things outside of my actual belief structure now and then so neither side gets too comfortable thinking I'm on their side.

That’s smart, but it seems like you contribute to the left side of the argument vastly more than the right, so I’m not quite sure what the play is.
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By Drama Torama 2020-06-15 22:10:04
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
That’s smart, but it seems like you contribute to the left side of the argument vastly more than the right, so I’m not quite sure what the play is.

The number of right-leaning posters is currently greater than the number on the left.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:10:31
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Both are just as "dangerous" in spreading the virus. The protesters are much more clustered together. At least at a rally they can space the seating apart.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-15 22:10:36
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Viciouss said: »
Valefor.Commodus said: »
Viciouss said: »
Its a banner day for LGBT rights, probably their biggest victory ever, and it blows up Trump's entire anti-LGBT platform. Congrats to all.

Can you define "Trump's anti-lgbt agenda?"

Yes.

So, you know, go ahead and do that?
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By Cruz Missive 2020-06-15 22:13:43
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Draylo said: »
Both are just as "dangerous" in spreading the virus.

Not even remotely true. Again, masks work! Droplet transmission is the biggest danger.

If they hand out MAGA masks at this thing and people actually wear them I won't give a ***how many people are at that rally.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:17:37
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With all the looting, rioting, protests with thousands jam packed together and nobody is dropping like flies. You really think this thing is that dangerous?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-15 22:22:53
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Drama Torama said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
That’s smart, but it seems like you contribute to the left side of the argument vastly more than the right, so I’m not quite sure what the play is.

The number of right-leaning posters is currently greater than the number on the left.

At the moment, sure. I just think that trying to provide conversational balance while simultaneously trying not to seem like you’re on any side are two things that work against each other. But hey, in my opinion that’s all moot as long as the moderation is fair.
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-06-15 22:23:37
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Draylo said: »
With all the looting, rioting, protests with thousands jam packed together and nobody is dropping like flies. You really think this thing is that dangerous?

FFS

You're scared of looting and rioting that's been exaggerated or outright fabricated but not the virus that's killed six digits worth of Americans in a matter of months and is still ramping up

GET YOUR *** PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.

Also, symptoms don't usually make themselves REALLY KNOWN for up to two weeks, so we don't truly know the answer to "are the protests safe?!" yet. What we do know is that states that re-opened are seeing hospitalizations and deaths on the rise again.
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-06-15 22:26:23
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
At the moment, sure. I just think that trying to provide conversational balance while simultaneously trying not to seem like you’re on any side are two things that work against each other. But hey, in my opinion that’s all moot as long as the moderation is fair.

When this started, the balance was more even, and I got routinely accused of being a right wing nutjob. The fact that I took a light hand with some of the problem children at first didn't help.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:32:57
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Outright fabricated? WAT
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-15 22:33:05
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Terlet Sangria said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
At the moment, sure. I just think that trying to provide conversational balance while simultaneously trying not to seem like you’re on any side are two things that work against each other. But hey, in my opinion that’s all moot as long as the moderation is fair.

When this started, the balance was more even, and I got routinely accused of being a right wing nutjob. The fact that I took a light hand with some of the problem children at first didn't help.

Heck, when I first started I tried a centrist approach to conversation and received no mercy, so I understand that at least.
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-06-15 22:34:26
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Draylo said: »
Outright fabricated? WAT

like so
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:35:44
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So one pic? How about the false video shown of hospitals that were "overwhelmed" and it wasn't even in the US? Don't think that makes the whole case fabricated, you didn't see me say that based off one pic lol.
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By Drama Torama 2020-06-15 22:38:44
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Draylo said: »
So one pic? How about the false video shown of hospitals that were "overwhelmed" and it wasn't even in the US? Don't think that makes the whole case fabricated, you didn't see me say that based off one pic lol.

I don't know what you're talking about, so link away if you like, but I haven't been basing any of my covid opinions on *** pictures, that's for damned sure.

Wear your damned mask.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 22:44:35
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Terlet Sangria said: »
Draylo said: »
With all the looting, rioting, protests with thousands jam packed together and nobody is dropping like flies. You really think this thing is that dangerous?

FFS

You're scared of looting and rioting that's been exaggerated or outright fabricated but not the virus that's killed six digits worth of Americans in a matter of months and is still ramping up

GET YOUR *** PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.

Also, symptoms don't usually make themselves REALLY KNOWN for up to two weeks, so we don't truly know the answer to "are the protests safe?!" yet. What we do know is that states that re-opened are seeing hospitalizations and deaths on the rise again.

It's getting significantly worse in Texas, hospitalizations are shooting up and the Austin mayor extended the shelter in place today. Also, the rate of transmission is significantly higher when indoors compared to outdoors, so the idea of a Trump rally being held in an enclosed stadium is just lunacy. Which is why they are requiring attendees, as dumb as they are, to sign a waiver.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:46:03
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CBS used footage from a hospital in Italy to show the situation of NYC. Go google it and you'll find plenty of sources. There have been numerous situations like that where they also intentionally wanted a crowd of people pretending to be sick for a news story. They are all biased and not to be fully trusted. Fox, CBS, CNN etc all have an agenda.

The looting and rioting hasn't been exaggerated, I've seen it myself in midtown. The place looked like a warzone, I find it hard to believe you say you aren't left or right when you make a lot of statements that mirror everything the left has been parroting.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 22:46:18
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Drama Torama said: »
Draylo said: »
So one pic? How about the false video shown of hospitals that were "overwhelmed" and it wasn't even in the US? Don't think that makes the whole case fabricated, you didn't see me say that based off one pic lol.

I don't know what you're talking about, so link away if you like, but I haven't been basing any of my covid opinions on *** pictures, that's for damned sure.

Wear your damned mask.

Did you like how Draylo just ignored your entire post to focus on the wild misreporting of the looting? Which yes it has been horribly misreported from the moment Trump tried to blame Antifa. Every far right news outlet latched onto that lie.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 22:51:44
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Sorry, can call me whatever you want but there is something fishy about this whole covid situation. The people thumping for the medical community are doing themselves a disservice by labeling anyone who doesn't 100% believe in the severity of this virus as crazies. Your average person wears a mask out of obligation but most people are sick of the crap from the news. You can see it across multiple stories that the media is fear mongering on, they all have tons of dislikes. People are just not seeing it. The person earlier posted a picture to show their hypocrisy.

If people aren't dropping dead like flies after these riots and protests, it wasn't as severe as we were lead to believe.
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By Putin On'the'ritz 2020-06-15 22:52:57
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Draylo said: »
CBS used footage from a hospital in Italy to show the situation of NYC. Go google it and you'll find plenty of sources. There have been numerous situations like that where they also intentionally wanted a crowd of people pretending to be sick for a news story. They are all biased and not to be fully trusted. Fox, CBS, CNN etc all have an agenda.

The looting and rioting hasn't been exaggerated, I've seen it myself in midtown. The place looked like a warzone, I find it hard to believe you say you aren't left or right when you make a lot of statements that mirror everything the left has been parroting.

First off, midtown always looks like a warzone

And secondly, without getting too far into it, I'm gonna state with some certainty here that my "on the right" credentials are more substantial than yours. I'm just not a zealot about it, and evaluate every scenario as independently as I can.

Groupthink is the death of thought, and that's true no matter where you sit on the political spectrum.
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